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Post by truthbetold on Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:22 am

The next parliament election in India will revolve around Modi. The major fight is between Modi the able leader with a strong record of economic development and Modi the instigator of 2002 riots.
Most gujaratis that I spoke to were emphatic about gujarats economic progress over the past 10 plus years. Newspapers, govt statistics, and business men's comments support the idea of rapid gujarat economic progress. Despite every possible trick tried by congress, modi's govt is not blemished by any significant corruption scandals.
Indian people who were fed up with incompetent rulers and pervasive corruption were drawn to Modi.
On the other hand Modi was the man in charge at the time of 2002 riots. He either instigated some of the violence or facilitated killings by being inactive. A large number of Indians oppose him based on that riot history. An Indian leader has to rule over a large minority within the country and have to deal with many Islamic nations around India. The world community is also not sure about Modi's credentials as an unbiased ruler. Modi used minority heckling multiple times in Gujarat elections. His tone does not inspire confidence among minorities.
posters like rashmun try to discredit modi's economic success with feeble excuses. Congress efforts to belittle Gujarat model has failed spectacularly. Equally pathetic are rss sympathiser efforts to whitewash 2002 riots and its chief protector.
Which side will India choose?
do you think Modi is the central topic in next elections?
What is your personal choice? Why?
My vote will go against Modi for his role in 2002 riots. He should never be the pm of India.



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Post by Idéfix on Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:50 am

I think Modi will be a central topic this election. And if there is no strong leader on the other side, it is very likely he will get elected PM. If Congress runs with Rahul Gandhi, I am afraid we will have Modi as PM. 

My preference is against Modi, not only because of his role during the riots, but also because of his approach to the riots issue since. He has exploited the riots to his political advantage, and rewarded the ring leaders of the riots (e.g. Maya Kodnani). 

On corruption: the BJP and its NDA allies have shown themselves quite capable of it. I don't believe Modi is Superman, Batman, and Shaktimaan rolled into one; so even if he is incorruptible, he can't run the whole government himself. After all, MMS is not considered personally corrupt, but he has presided over one of the most corrupt governments in living memory. 

On economic development: I think the media and BJP portrayals of Modi as an economic miracle-worker are overblown. Gujarat was an industrial powerhouse before he became CM. To Modi's credit, he maintained investment-friendly policies. I remember seeing a comparison of state GDP growth rates under the last 5-6 CMs since liberalization, and the numbers were not as impressive as one would expect from the hyperbole of his supporters. 

I usually vote based on the platform/candidates in my constituency. I want to see who Lok Satta runs in Secunderabad. If they don't have a strong candidate, and if I like a local NDA ally best (as it has happened in the past with TDP) I will still not vote vote for him, unless BJP commits to a different PM candidate than Modi.

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Post by truthbetold on Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:07 am

Bjp without vajpayee has no pull towards center. Advani is a distant second in that direction. Advani's name may crop up if bjp needs few extra seats from other 'secular regional parties'.
I am not sure how good Gujarat economic growth is. But I have not seen much evidence to contradict the good story presented by modiwallahs.
In terms of corruption bjp is no stranger to it. But to be fair, nda was fairly clean, chouhan, Raman winch, and nitish kumar(nda) are all known to be honest. Yeddy joins the Congress leaders like chancy of kerala, every cm of Maharashtra and andhra pradesh.
south may stall Modi 's march to Delhi.

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Post by Idéfix on Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:27 am

truthbetold wrote:I am not sure how good Gujarat economic growth is. But I have not seen much evidence to contradict the good story presented by modiwallahs.
I was intrigued enough by the claims of Modiwallahs to spend some time with the data. Here is is what I found: http://such.forumotion.com/t14803-gujarat-gdp-growth-and-narendra-modi-s-economic-record

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Post by Propagandhi711 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:34 am

Idéfix wrote:After all, MMS is not considered personally corrupt, but he has presided over one of the most corrupt governments in living memory. 

MMS presided over a highly corrupt govt coz the sardar was unwilling and incapable of governing. douche was too old, too effete and deferential to crack the whip when things were going horribly wrong. indians should never forgive the disservice this past govt did to the country and it's prospects but you black framed glasses and kurta/jeans secularist types with questionable communist credentials cant see past some distant past where the only credible alternative supposedly got merlot's tailor killed.

On economic development: I think the media and BJP portrayals of Modi as an economic miracle-worker are overblown. Gujarat was an industrial powerhouse before he became CM. To Modi's credit, he maintained investment-friendly policies. I remember seeing a comparison of state GDP growth rates under the last 5-6 CMs since liberalization, and the numbers were not as impressive as one would expect from the hyperbole of his supporters. 

as the saying goes, you can dice number any which way and support any point of view. instead try comparing gujarat's performance with a place where congress ran the show for the same time period, say...andhra perhaps?

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