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Post by truthbetold Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:07 pm

While no specific location was finalized , martur vinukonda donekonda área was suggested to be the top preference of the comm.

that location is about 50km south east of guntur .

they also suggested distributing govt offices to different cities .

they were not to keen on vijayawada as temp capital.

my two cents :distribute govt offices. Ex: ports to vizag and religious affairs to tirupati and agro in guntur etc.
state should move as many activities as posible to vja tohelp with employment and revenue .
temp capital in vja is not just an option . it is an emergency need.

capital should be allowed to develop over a long period of time. Build small govt infrastructure in a small land. amaravati is ideal. Vja will develop irrespective of govt location.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:30 pm

So, the committee thinks that the area between Sri Sailam and Guntur (South-West, not South-East, of Guntur) is suitable.

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Post by indophile Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:13 pm

It's still not far away from VJA-GNT. But Naidu will not go for it. He has been always saying VJA-GNT, and now it's politically difficult for him to go too far afield. Amaravati may be a good compromise, and it will also get him that river view. He should scale back on bridges for now. They can move the High Court to Kurnool, and other stuff like religious affairs to Titupati, ports/IT/fishing to Vizag, etc.

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Post by confuzzled dude Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:28 pm

indophile wrote:It's still not far away from VJA-GNT. But Naidu will not go for it. He has been always saying VJA-GNT, and now it's politically difficult for him to go too far afield. Amaravati may be a good compromise, and it will also get him that river view. He should scale back on bridges for now. They can move the High Court to Kurnool, and other stuff like religious affairs to Titupati, ports/IT/fishing to Vizag, etc.
scratch like what, Would it be OKAY to give permission to build a huge mosque or church in Tirupati or facilitating annual official iftar party at tiruamala where free food is served? Is it advisable given how SuChers like Uppili & TBT were jumping up and down hearing rumors of Christian activity in and around Tirupati?

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Post by truthbetold Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:33 pm

indophile wrote:" Amaravati may be a good compromise," " They can move the High Court to Kurnool, and other stuff like religious affairs to Titupati, ports/IT/fishing to Vizag, etc."
 
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Your suggestions above are politically palatable. But more importantly, they are required to move the state forward as a united entity.

The striking feature of the highlights published so far is that comm seems to think that nellore to east godavri were fully developed and their fertile lands should not be disturbed. So no new development in that area. They may have good intentions but it is a flawed argument.
The primary reason for such thinking is that they believe govt can decide where development will happen.  Govt has a role but it is the people and their attitude that pushes economic progress.  Those coastal districts are booming for a reason.  They demand more new business including high tech jobs and high paying jobs. They do not want their children to be confined to back breaking agri jobs for all future. 

Was there an example of distributed development in any state in India or around the world?  California, one of the most developed part of the world with somewhat distributed economy, still has two major economic poles in Los Angeles and San Francisco that rival GDP of several nations. Silicon valley is all private money and attracts the best and the brightest of the world. Facebook that started in boston area moved to silicon valley.  because they have to be at the center of tech innovation. 

The biggest miss of the comm is its inability to take revenue generation and attraction of private money as important considerations. To get into the mind set of major world and national players,  you need places smart tech people and business experts would like to move.  Donekonda will take 30 years, if ever, to attract any body of consequence.  

Utter Pradesh suffers from being too close to Delhi.  AP has hyderabad, bangaluru and Chennai on three sides. Attracting private money is a huge task and fighting off these three very attractive alternatives is herculian task.  AP needs a location/city name to enter the mind space of investors.  This is missed by the bureaucrats. 

Amaravati, distributed govt offices,  VJA plus area development as commercial and IT hub,  and tax incentives will play significant role in AP development.

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Post by truthbetold Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:39 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
indophile wrote:It's still not far away from VJA-GNT. But Naidu will not go for it. He has been always saying VJA-GNT, and now it's politically difficult for him to go too far afield. Amaravati may be a good compromise, and it will also get him that river view. He should scale back on bridges for now. They can move the High Court to Kurnool, and other stuff like religious affairs to Titupati, ports/IT/fishing to Vizag, etc.
scratch like what, Would it be OKAY to give permission to build a huge mosque or church in Tirupati or facilitating annual official iftar party at tiruamala where free food is served? Is it advisable given how SuChers like Uppili & TBT were jumping up and down hearing rumors of Christian activity in and around Tirupati?
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One too many drinks already?  Indo is talking about devadaya sakha that looks after Hindu temple affairs.  What is the relevance of iftar in this discussion?  They probably should send the iftar party to Kadapa and brother anil could host the party. 

Ramayanamlo pidakala veta ante ide.

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Post by confuzzled dude Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:14 pm

truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
indophile wrote:It's still not far away from VJA-GNT. But Naidu will not go for it. He has been always saying VJA-GNT, and now it's politically difficult for him to go too far afield. Amaravati may be a good compromise, and it will also get him that river view. He should scale back on bridges for now. They can move the High Court to Kurnool, and other stuff like religious affairs to Titupati, ports/IT/fishing to Vizag, etc.
scratch like what, Would it be OKAY to give permission to build a huge mosque or church in Tirupati or facilitating annual official iftar party at tiruamala where free food is served? Is it advisable given how SuChers like Uppili & TBT were jumping up and down hearing rumors of Christian activity in and around Tirupati?
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One too many drinks already?  Indo is talking about devadaya sakha that looks after Hindu temple affairs.  What is the relevance of iftar in this discussion?  They probably should send the iftar party to Kadapa and brother anil could host the party. 

Ramayanamlo pidakala veta ante ide.
Going by this logic, Should they station IT Ministry in Vizag, legislative affairs in Kurnool, Forests in Srikakulam so on and so forth?

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:27 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
indophile wrote:It's still not far away from VJA-GNT. But Naidu will not go for it. He has been always saying VJA-GNT, and now it's politically difficult for him to go too far afield. Amaravati may be a good compromise, and it will also get him that river view. He should scale back on bridges for now. They can move the High Court to Kurnool, and other stuff like religious affairs to Titupati, ports/IT/fishing to Vizag, etc.
scratch like what, Would it be OKAY to give permission to build a huge mosque or church in Tirupati or facilitating annual official iftar party at tiruamala where free food is served? Is it advisable given how SuChers like Uppili & TBT were jumping up and down hearing rumors of Christian activity in and around Tirupati?
All the temple funds, after a certain cut off revenue limit, from all over AP are taken over by the govt. Does such a thing happen with the mosques or churches? No. They are independent of the govt. and they get to keep all their money. It's not the case with hindu temples. All the financial and administrative affairs are controlled by the govt. Hence, religious affairs=hindu religious affairs. The govt dare not do such kind of meddling with mosques or churches.

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Post by truthbetold Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:34 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
indophile wrote:It's still not far away from VJA-GNT. But Naidu will not go for it. He has been always saying VJA-GNT, and now it's politically difficult for him to go too far afield. Amaravati may be a good compromise, and it will also get him that river view. He should scale back on bridges for now. They can move the High Court to Kurnool, and other stuff like religious affairs to Titupati, ports/IT/fishing to Vizag, etc.
scratch like what, Would it be OKAY to give permission to build a huge mosque or church in Tirupati or facilitating annual official iftar party at tiruamala where free food is served? Is it advisable given how SuChers like Uppili & TBT were jumping up and down hearing rumors of Christian activity in and around Tirupati?
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One too many drinks already?  Indo is talking about devadaya sakha that looks after Hindu temple affairs.  What is the relevance of iftar in this discussion?  They probably should send the iftar party to Kadapa and brother anil could host the party. 

Ramayanamlo pidakala veta ante ide.
Going by this logic, Should they station IT Ministry in Vizag, legislative affairs in Kurnool, Forests in Srikakulam so on and so forth?
These are all just thought exercises.  Political people like ministers have to be around political capitals.  May be their big advisors like IAS officers and directors of dept.  But all people facing, revenue collecting, service providing depts need not be in political capital. They could in different parts.  Assembly, CM, Ministers, seniors officers and their supporting staff,  high court, and police must be colocated in political capital. Forests go east godavari.

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Post by truthbetold Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:48 pm

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Vijayawada/farmers-lay-green-carpet-in-kharif/article6353979.ece?ref=slideshow#im-image-4

Pictures from The Hindu.  Shows you how much hard work goes into making agriculture successful.  Agri people do want other types of development in their area. This point seems to have missed the minds of intellectuals on the capital comm.

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Post by indophile Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:37 am

truthbetold wrote:http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Vijayawada/farmers-lay-green-carpet-in-kharif/article6353979.ece?ref=slideshow#im-image-4

Pictures from The Hindu.  Shows you how much hard work goes into making agriculture successful.  Agri people do want other types of development in their area. This point seems to have missed the minds of intellectuals on the capital comm.
Even from the Agri angle Amaravati looks good with just mountains and the Krishna river cutting through the mountains. I don't know if the Sivaramakrishnan and other IAS officers looked at the historical significance of the place for Telugus. It was the capital of Satavahanas for some 500 years. The first book on Telugu grammar was written around there (although the book itself was written in Sanskrit) in 5th century. Amareshwara is an important Siva temple among the Siva temples in the country. The place is the gateway to Palanadu (of the Balachandra, Nagamma, Brahma Naidu fame --- remember the movie song - alanaati something something somethingaa palanaati Balachandrunikanna minna...). And, one can proudly say "our capital is Amaravati" --- not some vaada, or peta, or paadu or something with some Persian/Arabic name).

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