What should the Govt. do when it helps people in education and jobs etc.?

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What should the Govt. do when it helps people in education and jobs etc.?

Post by Seva Lamberdar on Tue May 05, 2015 9:19 am

The criteria based on religion and caste should be removed when Govt. helps people including in education and jobs. Moreover, no new categories / classes should be created with respect to the different economic statuses of people when Govt. gives help. The Govt. help should be available to anyone living at or below the poverty limit / line, individually or as a family (and not as a caste or class, whether economic, social or religious).

In addition, the Govt. help to people should be conditional, implying that the potential aid recipients should not be impoverished and requiring Govt. assistance because of their own doing and that they must also demonstrate their eagerness and willingness to get out of poverty by taking positive steps. This will need the Govt. aid to be tied /conditional, including in education and jobs, to the aid recipient's willingness to live according to the UCC (Uniform Civil Code: modern and progressive law which treats and empowers everyone equally in the country, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and adopt a small-sized monogamous family style (one wife, one husband and no more than two children per family).

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Post by truthbetold on Tue May 05, 2015 4:55 pm

Sevaji,

Q1. Why should the govt help people below poverty line?
Q2. Conditions on govt help suggest you are for two classes of citizens, those below poverty rights with restricted rights and rest of the population. In India there are , at a minimum, 25% population below poverty line. Is this justified? Sounds like legal apartheid.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Wed May 06, 2015 8:52 am

truthbetold wrote:Sevaji,

Q1. Why should the govt help people below poverty line?
Q2. Conditions on govt help suggest you are for two classes of citizens, those below poverty rights with restricted rights and rest of the population. In India there are , at a minimum, 25% population below poverty line. Is this justified? Sounds like legal apartheid.A
A1.   Govt. already "helps" people on the basis of caste and religion, e.g. quotas in education and jobs (almost 50% seats) on the basis of caste and Govt. also pays money (in several hundred million dollars) to people to make religious pilgrimages (according to their religion). So, it will make sense if the criteria in such dole outs by Govt. to people is the economic necessity (poverty line) of the recipient(s) and not caste or religion.   

A2.  Putting the pre-conditions on help by the Govt. is not restricting or taking away the rights of the recipient, but making him / her more responsible and deserving of the help from Govt. (public funds). This will produce better results in terms of elevating / raising people more quickly from being poor and living below or near the poverty line / limit. Remember, the attitude and approach for Govt. in helping the poor should be to assist them in getting out of their poverty and impoverished condition quickly (by having them agree to the pre-conditions of UCC and small-sized monogamous family style), and not that the Govt. is seen as rewarding the people for being poor (Govt. keeps on throwing the money and opportunities to the "poor" without the pre-conditions, while they even continue to remain poor due to their personal choices and lifestyles in spite of the decades of Govt. help).

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Post by truthbetold on Wed May 06, 2015 1:50 pm

Seva,
Whether you agree or not, Indian govt has a reason to provide caste based reservation.  Your only argument for reservation for poor people is your personal opinion that it is somehow a better thing to do. 
Lay out the reasons and argue (1) why govt should help poor (2) why help based poverty is a better criteria than caste based reservation.

Opinion is not proof. It must backed by strong reasoning and even more strong facts.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Wed May 06, 2015 4:36 pm

truthbetold wrote:Seva,
Whether you agree or not, Indian govt has a reason to provide caste based reservation.  Your only argument for reservation for poor people is your personal opinion that it is somehow a better thing to do. 
Lay out the reasons and argue (1) why govt should help poor (2) why help based poverty is a better criteria than caste based reservation.

Opinion is not proof. It must backed by strong reasoning and even more strong facts.
TS,
I already indicated as to why the Govt. needs to consider the economic condition of the potential recipient, rather than his / her caste and / or religion, while giving any kind of help. Here is the reasoning (not opinion) again in the following. 
 
(1) If the Govt. is going to throw any money at people, it makes sense to have it reach the poor who can benefit from it directly and immediately and might even be able to get over the poverty line / limit. Conversely, the rich and well-to-do are already better-off (even living above the poverty line / limit) and therefore don't need extra help from the Govt.

(2) The economic condition (e.g. living below, near or at the poverty line / limit) is a better criterion (easier to monitor and control) for Govt. in establishing the suitability ("deservedness") of the potential recipient (initially and afterwards) than using his / her caste and religion.

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