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Post by confuzzled dude Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:30 pm

India's democracy, like America's, is better at mobilizing aggrieved minorities to block proposed policies than it is at forging political consensus around needed reform. This can be a real problem when an ambitious leader like Modi is trying to make a sharp break with the past. It can, however, be a virtue in the face of dangerous impulses. Thombre's hopes — and my Muslim friends' fears — that at some point Modi will show his true colors and press for the Hindutva agenda may well prove unfounded.

Should that prove to be the case, Muslims would be reassured that, however vulnerable their position in India, the political system will protect them from the worst. They will not have reason to "join the terrorists," as Syed Rizwan, the Begumpura water merchant and publisher, put it. It may be true that India has too much democracy for its own good. That, however, is vastly preferable to having too little.
I spent one afternoon in Begumpura, an ancient Muslim neighborhood where Aurangzeb’s first wife — his begum — once had her palace. On the broad, dusty main street I found Syed Ahmed, a miller, sitting barefoot among the sacks of flour in his shop. Ahmed had never gone to school, though all four of his children now attend Urdu-language public schools. (If he had any money he would send them to one of the many private English-language schools in town.) Ahmed had little interest in cow slaughtering or forced conversions; his chief complaint was that Begumpura only received drinking water every third day, and then for less than an hour. This was a problem across Aurangabad; the city’s Municipal Corporation had regularly promised to install pipes but hadn’t managed to do so. Ahmed said that even skilled young men in the neighborhood couldn’t find employment. He had long voted for Congress, but in the state election in October 2014 he had voted instead for the candidate of a little-known Muslim party called the All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (AIMIM). “Parties should be secular,” Ahmed said. “But the other parties are useless, so I decided to try something new.” Thanks to a split among other parties, the candidate, a journalist named Imtiyaz Jaleel, won and is now one of three state-level AIMIM officeholders in India.
Yet no one I talked to in Begumpura felt entirely comfortable with the idea of a Muslim party. Syed Rizwan, who sells “chilled and normal drinking water” and self-publishes an English-language newsletter, lamented that the AIMIM had fought Hindu communalism with Islamic communalism and insisted that Congress would rebuild — at least once the party’s standard-bearer, Rahul Gandhi, gave way to his more politically adroit sister, Priyanka. At the same time, he feared the consequences of persistent economic failure among Muslims. “What the people will do?” he asked, as we stood in front of his tiny shop, open to the street. “They will go join the terrorists?” This is a dark thought rarely voiced by India’s Muslims, who are at pains to demonstrate their loyalty to the nation.
The sheer diversity of India requires rulers to reach beyond their own group, but diversity has hardly proved to be a source of political stability in the Middle East or the Balkans. In India, it has. The reason for that, surely, may be found in India's politics, so different from its sibling state.

Pakistan is a democracy, with an elected civilian government, competing parties, and a loud press. It is, however, a very circumscribed democracy. Real power belongs to the military and intelligence services, which act with impunity; the political parties serve largely as the instrument of tiny elites; the larger society remains feudal. Politics in Pakistan are all spectacle and no substance. This is not true in India — and not simply because of the deeply entrenched principle of civilian supremacy. The era when a small number of Brahmins dominated India's political culture is over. Indian politics are inclusive not simply in the formal sense that parties seek to enlist the votes of all groups, but in the substantive sense that all groups have the opportunity to advance their interests through the ballot. It is a game that, owing to their modest numbers and geographical spread, Muslims have a hard time winning at, but have nevertheless found very much worth playing.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/26/narendra-modi-india-safe-for-muslims-hindu-nationalism-bjp-rss/

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:44 pm



no...Modi India finally protects the rights of majority hindus....unlike the 60 yr muslim abuse of hindus under Cong(i) rule.

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Post by confuzzled dude Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:56 pm

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no...Modi India finally protects the rights of majority hindus....unlike the 60 yr muslim abuse of hindus under Cong(i) rule.
Who were abused? Did you even bother reading the article.
Muslims are also underrepresented in the public sector, as they are throughout the country. This problem used to beset non-upper-caste Hindus as well, but the states now set aside fixed ratios of government jobs and seats in universities for a range of officially disadvantaged groups — Scheduled Castes (formerly known as Untouchables), Scheduled Tribes, and a category known as Other Backward Classes (to which Modi himself belongs).

Muslims have long sought such “reservations” for themselves, but generally without success.

India’s expansive reservations policy has less to do with a mass recognition of the injustice of a system of inherited inferiority than with the political mobilization of the poor. In some states, backward groups are so numerous that close to half of available seats are reserved for them. Perhaps for this reason, Modi has never advocated the rollback of existing reservations even though they would seem to violate his belief in the free market and self-reliance. He has, however, said that religion-based reservations would destroy India.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:06 pm

Will Indian democracy protect its majority??

Will it stop ars-licking minorities for votes??

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:25 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
India's democracy, like America's, is better at mobilizing aggrieved minorities to block proposed policies than it is at forging political consensus around needed reform. This can be a real problem when an ambitious leader like Modi is trying to make a sharp break with the past. It can, however, be a virtue in the face of dangerous impulses. Thombre's hopes — and my Muslim friends' fears — that at some point Modi will show his true colors and press for the Hindutva agenda may well prove unfounded.

Should that prove to be the case, Muslims would be reassured that, however vulnerable their position in India, the political system will protect them from the worst. They will not have reason to "join the terrorists," as Syed Rizwan, the Begumpura water merchant and publisher, put it. It may be true that India has too much democracy for its own good. That, however, is vastly preferable to having too little.
I spent one afternoon in Begumpura, an ancient Muslim neighborhood where Aurangzeb’s first wife — his begum — once had her palace. On the broad, dusty main street I found Syed Ahmed, a miller, sitting barefoot among the sacks of flour in his shop. Ahmed had never gone to school, though all four of his children now attend Urdu-language public schools. (If he had any money he would send them to one of the many private English-language schools in town.) Ahmed had little interest in cow slaughtering or forced conversions; his chief complaint was that Begumpura only received drinking water every third day, and then for less than an hour. This was a problem across Aurangabad; the city’s Municipal Corporation had regularly promised to install pipes but hadn’t managed to do so. Ahmed said that even skilled young men in the neighborhood couldn’t find employment. He had long voted for Congress, but in the state election in October 2014 he had voted instead for the candidate of a little-known Muslim party called the All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (AIMIM). “Parties should be secular,” Ahmed said. “But the other parties are useless, so I decided to try something new.” Thanks to a split among other parties, the candidate, a journalist named Imtiyaz Jaleel, won and is now one of three state-level AIMIM officeholders in India.
Yet no one I talked to in Begumpura felt entirely comfortable with the idea of a Muslim party. Syed Rizwan, who sells “chilled and normal drinking water” and self-publishes an English-language newsletter, lamented that the AIMIM had fought Hindu communalism with Islamic communalism and insisted that Congress would rebuild — at least once the party’s standard-bearer, Rahul Gandhi, gave way to his more politically adroit sister, Priyanka. At the same time, he feared the consequences of persistent economic failure among Muslims. “What the people will do?” he asked, as we stood in front of his tiny shop, open to the street. “They will go join the terrorists?” This is a dark thought rarely voiced by India’s Muslims, who are at pains to demonstrate their loyalty to the nation.
The sheer diversity of India requires rulers to reach beyond their own group, but diversity has hardly proved to be a source of political stability in the Middle East or the Balkans. In India, it has. The reason for that, surely, may be found in India's politics, so different from its sibling state.

Pakistan is a democracy, with an elected civilian government, competing parties, and a loud press. It is, however, a very circumscribed democracy. Real power belongs to the military and intelligence services, which act with impunity; the political parties serve largely as the instrument of tiny elites; the larger society remains feudal. Politics in Pakistan are all spectacle and no substance. This is not true in India — and not simply because of the deeply entrenched principle of civilian supremacy. The era when a small number of Brahmins dominated India's political culture is over. Indian politics are inclusive not simply in the formal sense that parties seek to enlist the votes of all groups, but in the substantive sense that all groups have the opportunity to advance their interests through the ballot. It is a game that, owing to their modest numbers and geographical spread, Muslims have a hard time winning at, but have nevertheless found very much worth playing.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/26/narendra-modi-india-safe-for-muslims-hindu-nationalism-bjp-rss/

I's not the democracy but the "UCC" (one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) that ensures equal protection and empowerment for all, including in countries such as U.S.A.
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Post by rawemotions Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:25 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

no...Modi India finally protects the rights of majority hindus....unlike the 60 yr muslim abuse of hindus under Cong(i) rule.
Who were abused? Did you even bother reading the article.
Muslims are also underrepresented in the public sector, as they are throughout the country. This problem used to beset non-upper-caste Hindus as well, but the states now set aside fixed ratios of government jobs and seats in universities for a range of officially disadvantaged groups — Scheduled Castes (formerly known as Untouchables), Scheduled Tribes, and a category known as Other Backward Classes (to which Modi himself belongs).

Muslims have long sought such “reservations” for themselves, but generally without success.

India’s expansive reservations policy has less to do with a mass recognition of the injustice of a system of inherited inferiority than with the political mobilization of the poor. In some states, backward groups are so numerous that close to half of available seats are reserved for them. Perhaps for this reason, Modi has never advocated the rollback of existing reservations even though they would seem to violate his belief in the free market and self-reliance. He has, however, said that religion-based reservations would destroy India.
Muslims already have reservation under OBC quota. The article is just blatantly peddling a lie. The constitution of India explicitly forbids reservations based on religious criteria. We do not need Modi to learn this.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:37 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
India's democracy, like America's, is better at mobilizing aggrieved minorities to block proposed policies than it is at forging political consensus around needed reform. This can be a real problem when an ambitious leader like Modi is trying to make a sharp break with the past. It can, however, be a virtue in the face of dangerous impulses. Thombre's hopes — and my Muslim friends' fears — that at some point Modi will show his true colors and press for the Hindutva agenda may well prove unfounded.

Should that prove to be the case, Muslims would be reassured that, however vulnerable their position in India, the political system will protect them from the worst. They will not have reason to "join the terrorists," as Syed Rizwan, the Begumpura water merchant and publisher, put it. It may be true that India has too much democracy for its own good. That, however, is vastly preferable to having too little.
I spent one afternoon in Begumpura, an ancient Muslim neighborhood where Aurangzeb’s first wife — his begum — once had her palace. On the broad, dusty main street I found Syed Ahmed, a miller, sitting barefoot among the sacks of flour in his shop. Ahmed had never gone to school, though all four of his children now attend Urdu-language public schools. (If he had any money he would send them to one of the many private English-language schools in town.) Ahmed had little interest in cow slaughtering or forced conversions; his chief complaint was that Begumpura only received drinking water every third day, and then for less than an hour. This was a problem across Aurangabad; the city’s Municipal Corporation had regularly promised to install pipes but hadn’t managed to do so. Ahmed said that even skilled young men in the neighborhood couldn’t find employment. He had long voted for Congress, but in the state election in October 2014 he had voted instead for the candidate of a little-known Muslim party called the All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (AIMIM). “Parties should be secular,” Ahmed said. “But the other parties are useless, so I decided to try something new.” Thanks to a split among other parties, the candidate, a journalist named Imtiyaz Jaleel, won and is now one of three state-level AIMIM officeholders in India.
Yet no one I talked to in Begumpura felt entirely comfortable with the idea of a Muslim party. Syed Rizwan, who sells “chilled and normal drinking water” and self-publishes an English-language newsletter, lamented that the AIMIM had fought Hindu communalism with Islamic communalism and insisted that Congress would rebuild — at least once the party’s standard-bearer, Rahul Gandhi, gave way to his more politically adroit sister, Priyanka. At the same time, he feared the consequences of persistent economic failure among Muslims. “What the people will do?” he asked, as we stood in front of his tiny shop, open to the street. “They will go join the terrorists?” This is a dark thought rarely voiced by India’s Muslims, who are at pains to demonstrate their loyalty to the nation.
The sheer diversity of India requires rulers to reach beyond their own group, but diversity has hardly proved to be a source of political stability in the Middle East or the Balkans. In India, it has. The reason for that, surely, may be found in India's politics, so different from its sibling state.

Pakistan is a democracy, with an elected civilian government, competing parties, and a loud press. It is, however, a very circumscribed democracy. Real power belongs to the military and intelligence services, which act with impunity; the political parties serve largely as the instrument of tiny elites; the larger society remains feudal. Politics in Pakistan are all spectacle and no substance. This is not true in India — and not simply because of the deeply entrenched principle of civilian supremacy. The era when a small number of Brahmins dominated India's political culture is over. Indian politics are inclusive not simply in the formal sense that parties seek to enlist the votes of all groups, but in the substantive sense that all groups have the opportunity to advance their interests through the ballot. It is a game that, owing to their modest numbers and geographical spread, Muslims have a hard time winning at, but have nevertheless found very much worth playing.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/26/narendra-modi-india-safe-for-muslims-hindu-nationalism-bjp-rss/

One cannot have it both ways. Fashion secularists and iSlamists want everything to be run by the CONSTITUTION. At the same time they want to ignore the very same constitution when it comes to reservation.

The TYPICAL iSlami double standards.

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