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Post by truthbetold Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:36 am

RSS and BJP are on a suicide path.  Modi got Indian people's support to push development agenda.   Modi is working hard on that path.  BJP local goons could not understand the bigger picture or RSS bigwigs are miscalculating big time. This beef stuff is idiotic.  

-- Beef ban in maharastra

-- Meat sales ban on festival days

-- Dadri lynching

-- Kashmir assembly attack on beef party MLA

-- Worst of all forcing the cancellation of Ghulam Ali concert in Mumbai. 


Beef and meat will split Modi alliance and he will lose the support for reforms.  

India will lose yet another opportunity to get on the highway to future. Hindu rate of growth will return.

Bihar could be the first self inflicted wound for Modi.

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Post by confuzzled dude Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:57 am

Fadanvis and Chauhan are BJP local goons?

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Post by goodcitizn Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:09 pm

The suicide will be complete when they ban cricket balls since they are made from cow hide.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:57 pm

truthbetold wrote:RSS and BJP are on a suicide path.  Modi got Indian people's support to push development agenda.   Modi is working hard on that path.  BJP local goons could not understand the bigger picture or RSS bigwigs are miscalculating big time. This beef stuff is idiotic.  

-- Beef ban in maharastra

-- Meat sales ban on festival days

-- Dadri lynching

-- Kashmir assembly attack on beef party MLA

-- Worst of all forcing the cancellation of Ghulam Ali concert in Mumbai. 


Beef and meat will split Modi alliance and he will lose the support for reforms.  

India will lose yet another opportunity to get on the highway to future. Hindu rate of growth will return.

Bihar could be the first self inflicted wound for Modi.

You are talking like the 10% elite, educated Code coolies living in the cities who think the other 90% of Indians are dirt.

BJP is only concerned about Bihar and UP at this time and the people of this BIMARU states - no matter how much they like the development agenda - are caste driven and the Cow disease is one thing that cuts across caste. BJP guys are like Kartikeya with 6 heads - each talking towards its constituencies. RSS does/says everything based on information they gather from their roots - the daily Shakas. The people who participate discuss what their family members, neighbors, friends talk about on a dialy basis. This seeps "upwards" for Bhagwat ji to stir the pot (or so it seems).

Adityanath and Mahesh Verma talk about Cow and the BIMARUs listen. Modi talks development and the Code coolies and the "elite" listen. Gone are the days when a single Pappu or Lalu or Bar mata controls the entire population. Only the Cong(i) high command still thinks along those lines.


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Post by confuzzled dude Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:13 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
truthbetold wrote:RSS and BJP are on a suicide path.  Modi got Indian people's support to push development agenda.   Modi is working hard on that path.  BJP local goons could not understand the bigger picture or RSS bigwigs are miscalculating big time. This beef stuff is idiotic.  

-- Beef ban in maharastra

-- Meat sales ban on festival days

-- Dadri lynching

-- Kashmir assembly attack on beef party MLA

-- Worst of all forcing the cancellation of Ghulam Ali concert in Mumbai. 


Beef and meat will split Modi alliance and he will lose the support for reforms.  

India will lose yet another opportunity to get on the highway to future. Hindu rate of growth will return.

Bihar could be the first self inflicted wound for Modi.

You are talking like the 10% elite, educated Code coolies living in the cities who think the other 90% of Indians are dirt.

BJP is only concerned about Bihar and UP at this time and the people of this BIMARU states - no matter how much they like the development agenda - are caste driven and the Cow disease is one thing that cuts across caste. BJP guys are like Kartikeya with 6 heads - each talking towards its constituencies. RSS does/says everything based on information they gather from their roots - the daily Shakas. The people who participate discuss what their family members, neighbors, friends talk about on a dialy basis. This seeps "upwards" for Bhagwat ji to stir the pot (or so it seems).

Adityanath and Mahesh Verma talk about Cow and the BIMARUs listen. Modi talks development and the Code coolies and the "elite" listen. Gone are the days when a single Pappu or Lalu or Bar mata controls the entire population. Only the Cong(i) high command still thinks along those lines.

Are u suggesting that 90% give rats ass to Modiji?

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:19 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
truthbetold wrote:RSS and BJP are on a suicide path.  Modi got Indian people's support to push development agenda.   Modi is working hard on that path.  BJP local goons could not understand the bigger picture or RSS bigwigs are miscalculating big time. This beef stuff is idiotic.  

-- Beef ban in maharastra

-- Meat sales ban on festival days

-- Dadri lynching

-- Kashmir assembly attack on beef party MLA

-- Worst of all forcing the cancellation of Ghulam Ali concert in Mumbai. 


Beef and meat will split Modi alliance and he will lose the support for reforms.  

India will lose yet another opportunity to get on the highway to future. Hindu rate of growth will return.

Bihar could be the first self inflicted wound for Modi.

You are talking like the 10% elite, educated Code coolies living in the cities who think the other 90% of Indians are dirt.

BJP is only concerned about Bihar and UP at this time and the people of this BIMARU states - no matter how much they like the development agenda - are caste driven and the Cow disease is one thing that cuts across caste. BJP guys are like Kartikeya with 6 heads - each talking towards its constituencies. RSS does/says everything based on information they gather from their roots - the daily Shakas. The people who participate discuss what their family members, neighbors, friends talk about on a dialy basis. This seeps "upwards" for Bhagwat ji to stir the pot (or so it seems).

Adityanath and Mahesh Verma talk about Cow and the BIMARUs listen. Modi talks development and the Code coolies and the "elite" listen. Gone are the days when a single Pappu or Lalu or Bar mata controls the entire population. Only the Cong(i) high command still thinks along those lines.

Are u suggesting that 90% give rats ass to Modiji?

Look at it it this way.... The GOP has strong constiiuencies that support it based on a single issue of Abortion, Immigration, Gun rights, Taxes, Islami effect, race, etc... overlooking other factions.

BJP is like that wonly. "development" is a perennial and vague issue. It only means "more than what is there at present". That is always the mantra for EVERY faction - meaning they want more of whatever they stand for. Take the Cow Cult - even they are unhappy with Modi bcz he is not declaing a country wide ban and swamys are not happy bcz Modi is not building Ayodhya immediately, and so on...

India is no longer a one-issue democracy.

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Post by confuzzled dude Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:50 pm

Samiyaar, if that is the case then BJP is killing the golden goose, last year their strategy (reverse polarization) worked well but now, by overdoing it, they are risking dividing Hindu votes. Most lowercaste Hindus do eat bada meat

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Post by truthbetold Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:28 pm

uppili,

Valiant attempt but totally intolerant explanation.

India came together for development in 2014.  Now the world economy is going through dramatic changes giving India a great opportunity to push its economy into high gear. When was the last time indian current account deficit so low? When was oil below 50 dollars for any length of time? when was the last time world had time to think of India instead of china? 

Beef is consumed by muslims in india for 1000 years.  Common sense tells you beef is integral to Indian muslim food and culture.  They will not (should not) give it up for any reason. It will only incite ordinary muslims to rebel. Should it come to a muslim rebellion on beef, there are many non muslims in India who will support their rebellion wholeheartedly. 

I hope it never comes to a confrontation stage.  If BJP persists with beef issue, it will lose more votes than it gains and soon it will self destroy before next elections.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:36 pm

truthbetold wrote:uppili,

Valiant attempt but totally intolerant explanation.

India came together for development in 2014.  Now the world economy is going through dramatic changes giving India a great opportunity to push its economy into high gear. When was the last time indian current account deficit so low? When was oil below 50 dollars for any length of time? when was the last time world had time to think of India instead of china

Spoken like an educated upper middle class....I agree but ordinary rural folks will not understand a thing about what you said.

Beef is consumed by muslims in india for 1000 years.  Common sense tells you beef is integral to Indian muslim food and culture.  They will not (should not) give it up for any reason. It will only incite ordinary muslims to rebel. Should it come to a muslim rebellion on beef, there are many non muslims in India who will support their rebellion wholeheartedly. 

Exactly....Is India a country of Majority or minority. Everyone knows about what BJP/RSS stands for - irrespec tive of what they say outwardly or claim. It is a given that BJP has done more in 1 year than Cong(i) ever did in 1 year. Also, Cong-Lalu corruption and all that family politics is still fresh on people mind (it has been only one year). Muslims will never vote for BJP nor will Yadavs (except the youth)

I hope it never comes to a confrontation stage.  If BJP persists with beef issue, it will lose more votes than it gains and soon it will self destroy before next elections.

The RSS/BJP is itching for a confrontation. Everytime there has been a confrontation Muslims have lost - and hindus unite only in times of confrontation - be it independence movement, Emergency/JP movement, anti-corruption movement. Things will cruise along until some earth shattering event(s) happen in about 5 to 10 years (I expect Modi ji to split BJP in the middle of his second term).

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Post by truthbetold Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:53 pm

Uppili

what BJP did in one year(2014 - 2015) was related to economics of India. Why plunge into beef mess now?

Rest of your post is RSS wet dream.

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Post by truthbetold Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:31 pm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Indias-current-account-deficit-down-to-1-3-of-GDP-Jaitley/articleshow/49301593.cms

Read the news item.  Modi was elected to do this.  

BJP has no right to divert people's mandate to insult a section of Indian people's food habits.  

GC said in an earlier that food habits were developed in different parts of the world based local conditions.  As people moved they took their culture (which includes food habits) with them. 

Insulting people's culture and forcefully changing their habits is a violation of civil rights.  

Modi should stick to economics and good governance. BJP should be happy they are in power and control their activities.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:48 pm

truthbetold wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Indias-current-account-deficit-down-to-1-3-of-GDP-Jaitley/articleshow/49301593.cms

Read the news item.  Modi was elected to do this.  

BJP has no right to divert people's mandate to insult a section of Indian people's food habits.  

GC said in an earlier that food habits were developed in different parts of the world based local conditions.  As people moved they took their culture (which includes food habits) with them. 

Insulting people's culture and forcefully changing their habits is a violation of civil rights.  

Modi should stick to economics and good governance. BJP should be happy they are in power and control their activities.

Modi should stick whatever the majority wants at any given time. Those who want development (wonly) are free to vote for the great Secular, development-wonly-focused party the Cong(i), that believes in a government of, for, by the anti-hindus.

Hey there is an alternative - after all India is a demacraciee.

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Post by truthbetold Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:26 pm

Uppili

I will ignore your post but i need to clarify congress never claimed to be a growth (development) party.

Most Indian parties are distribution first (they want to distribute subsidies to bribe people to vote for them).  Congress is a little better than CPM and Lalu.

BJP it self is not a pure growth party because of wide spread Indian poverty.   A smart BJP will use cultural factors for gaining support to implement economic agenda.  

An economically advanced India would be beneficial to Indian hindus. If Indian hindus, led by BJP, harm muslims and suppress their natural right to eat a food of their choice, they will never achieve an advanced economy.  In fact they do not deserve an advanced and prosperous economy.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:32 pm



Proof that BJP strategy is working.

a muslim killed here and another there is forcing the dreaded violent muslims to talk peace and compromise.

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Post by Kris Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:56 pm

truthbetold wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Indias-current-account-deficit-down-to-1-3-of-GDP-Jaitley/articleshow/49301593.cms

Read the news item.  Modi was elected to do this.  

BJP has no right to divert people's mandate to insult a section of Indian people's food habits.  

GC said in an earlier that food habits were developed in different parts of the world based local conditions.  As people moved they took their culture (which includes food habits) with them. 

Insulting people's culture and forcefully changing their habits is a violation of civil rights.  

Modi should stick to economics and good governance. BJP should be happy they are in power and control their activities.
>>>Or he should and will get voted out sooner or later. The current administration's task is formidable just on that count and it needs to manage down the sideshow with this beef nonsense and majority/minority politics. Unfortunately, you have the left-wing nuts who have defined this politics as the central issue, aided and abetted by the media. The right-wing nuts' pre-occupation is some monolithic Hindu culture which is not helping either and will fuel the fire. If the country goes down the tubes, there is not going to be enough money to order tri-tips for everyone or do gau-poojas in every house.

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Post by confuzzled dude Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:13 pm

truthbetold wrote:Uppili

I will ignore your post but i need to clarify congress never claimed to be a growth (development) party.

Most Indian parties are distribution first (they want to distribute subsidies to bribe people to vote for them).  Congress is a little better than CPM and Lalu.

BJP it self is not a pure growth party because of wide spread Indian poverty.   A smart BJP will use cultural factors for gaining support to implement economic agenda.  

An economically advanced India would be beneficial to Indian hindus. If Indian hindus, led by BJP, harm muslims and suppress their natural right to eat a food of their choice, they will never achieve an advanced economy.  In fact they do not deserve an advanced and prosperous economy.
Your attempts to show us that Modi and BJP are different/unrelated, are laughable at best. If Modi has got nothing to do with all this religious propaganda then he should quit and start his own party with growth based agenda

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Post by truthbetold Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:42 pm

CD

The Indian people bet that modi would get room to implement his economic policies.  RSS and BJP would rein in its goons for the good of the nation.  Modi's  self interest does not involve instigating trouble at this point in his  5 year term.  It is likely that some sections of RSS and BJP are acting out of their self interest or BJP internal politics are at work. 

Modi gets blamed for any BJP's antics. Rightly so.  He has to send the signals within party to clean the mess up and fall in line.  Otherwise he will lose his own party, elections and large swaths of population. 

As someone who hates modi from the bottom of heart, you will not share the possibility of modi controlling all these forces and leading indian economy to a better place. We can agree to disagree on that.

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Post by confuzzled dude Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:55 pm

truthbetold wrote:CD

The Indian people bet that modi would get room to implement his economic policies.  RSS and BJP would rein in its goons for the good of the nation.  Modi's  self interest does not involve instigating trouble at this point in his  5 year term.  It is likely that some sections of RSS and BJP are acting out of their self interest or BJP internal politics are at work. 

Modi gets blamed for any BJP's antics. Rightly so.  He has to send the signals within party to clean the mess up and fall in line.  Otherwise he will lose his own party, elections and large swaths of population. 

As someone who hates modi from the bottom of heart, you will not share the possibility of modi controlling all these forces and leading indian economy to a better place. We can agree to disagree on that.
If understood your comments right you're saying that Modi is MMS of BJP

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:34 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:CD

The Indian people bet that modi would get room to implement his economic policies.  RSS and BJP would rein in its goons for the good of the nation.  Modi's  self interest does not involve instigating trouble at this point in his  5 year term.  It is likely that some sections of RSS and BJP are acting out of their self interest or BJP internal politics are at work. 

Modi gets blamed for any BJP's antics. Rightly so.  He has to send the signals within party to clean the mess up and fall in line.  Otherwise he will lose his own party, elections and large swaths of population. 

As someone who hates modi from the bottom of heart, you will not share the possibility of modi controlling all these forces and leading indian economy to a better place. We can agree to disagree on that.
If understood your comments right you're saying that Modi is MMS of BJP

MMS never won an election - he is just the chief servant of Bar Mata.

Modi OTOH is an election winner but needs the Army of RSS. RSS needs a charismatic electioneer like Modi. dont even compare MMS with Modi.

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Post by truthbetold Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:45 pm

Bar Mata.  even though it is a cheap shot, I chuckled at it. sounds similar to "B... Mata" ki Jai.

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Post by Ponniyin Selvan Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:18 pm

truthbetold wrote:RSS and BJP are on a suicide path.  Modi got Indian people's support to push development agenda.   Modi is working hard on that path.  BJP local goons could not understand the bigger picture or RSS bigwigs are miscalculating big time. This beef stuff is idiotic.  

-- Beef ban in maharastra

-- Meat sales ban on festival days

-- Dadri lynching

-- Kashmir assembly attack on beef party MLA

-- Worst of all forcing the cancellation of Ghulam Ali concert in Mumbai. 


Beef and meat will split Modi alliance and he will lose the support for reforms.  

India will lose yet another opportunity to get on the highway to future. Hindu rate of growth will return.

Bihar could be the first self inflicted wound for Modi.


You should add pushing Hindi in all spheres to this suicidal path. 

There is a method behind this madness. After being in the wilderness for two decades, Hindi-Hindu-Hindustan wallahs from the cow belt want to use their power in the union government to enforce their agenda. They have got a simple majority due to their clean sweep of UttarPradesh/Bihar/ Rajasthan et.al . Modi is just an instrument. 

it is not that only Muslims eat beef. Hindus eat beef in Kerala and other parts of India as well. Yesterday, there was a beef eating event organised by a Dalit party nearby in Chennai. 

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Beef-festival-in-Chennai-to-protest-Dadri-murder/articleshow/49306766.cms

I wanted to join, but heard that due to a big crowd beef biryani got over quickly.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:38 pm

[quote="Ponniyin Selvan"]
truthbetold wrote:RSS and BJP are on a suicide path.  Modi got Indian people's support to push development agenda.   Modi is working hard on that path.  BJP local goons could not understand the bigger picture or RSS bigwigs are miscalculating big time. This beef stuff is idiotic.  

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Beef-festival-in-Chennai-to-protest-Dadri-murder/articleshow/49306766.cms

I wanted to join, but heard that due to a big crowd beef biryani got over quickly.

Do these Vengaya Thondans have the guts to hold a Pig roast party just so they practice true secularism ? They could only thumb their noses at hindus. If one says Only beef is being banned, so is Pork by the iSlamis.

So let them hold a joint Pig and Beef party and show their gutsiness.

P.S. it is as though BJP was allowed to focus only on development by the Cong (iSlam). GST, Land reform all on hold and BJP was losing the match. This is their strength in getting people behind them.

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:32 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Ponniyin Selvan wrote:
truthbetold wrote:RSS and BJP are on a suicide path.  Modi got Indian people's support to push development agenda.   Modi is working hard on that path.  BJP local goons could not understand the bigger picture or RSS bigwigs are miscalculating big time. This beef stuff is idiotic.  

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Beef-festival-in-Chennai-to-protest-Dadri-murder/articleshow/49306766.cms

I wanted to join, but heard that due to a big crowd beef biryani got over quickly.

Do these Vengaya Thondans have the guts to hold a Pig roast party just so they practice true secularism ? They could only thumb their noses at hindus. If one says Only beef is being banned, so is Pork by the iSlamis.

So let them hold a joint Pig and Beef party and show their gutsiness.

P.S. it is as though BJP was allowed to focus only on development by the Cong (iSlam). GST, Land reform all on hold and BJP was losing the match. This is their strength in getting people behind them.

Upps Aunty, only a congenital imbecile like you could come up with a cow:hindus ::pig:muslims equation.

Since the topic is way beyond your comprehension, suffice it to know that pork is served and publicly eaten in India and nobody's heads were bashed in, and nobody's homes and properties burnt down on that account.
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