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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:27 am

......Pagan cultures had more freedom of expression, gender equality and a rationalistic outlook. Semitic religions believe in submitting their minds to a dogmatic Gaud, making women subordinate to men and are apprehensive of the impact of science on dogma. The reason why people in EU and US are enjoying a better quality of life has nothing to do with dogma (in different sects of Christianity). They are gradually seeing the value in embracing pagan ways of living and science, and ignoring dogma. Christianity is dying a natural death in both EU and the US. In reality, Christianity was at its peak during the "dark ages". iSlam is no different. It is just going through what Christianity went through during the "dark ages". PBUH helped the faithful to freeze their outlook in tune with the 7th century by saying that he would be the last prophet. Both Christianity and iSlam actively destroyed pagan cultures across the globe (Asia, Europe, N & S America, Africa.....). Worshipping God as a female was banned in Semitic faiths in ancient times and this led to making women subservient to men. It was only through industrial revolution (had nothing to do with the Semitic dogma) that the plight of women has changed. When Victorian Englishmen were exposed to Indian culture, they were horrified. Same thing happened when they met Polynesian cultures. iSlamists were no different (and probably worse).....

So, the mullah (see below) is just saying what his religion is advocating for women:

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/demand-for-gender-equality-against-islam-and-its-culture-says-kerala-sunni-muslim-leader/

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Post by Kris Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:18 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:......Pagan cultures had more freedom of expression, gender equality and a rationalistic outlook. Semitic religions believe in submitting their minds to a dogmatic Gaud, making women subordinate to men and are apprehensive of the impact of science on dogma. The reason why people in EU and US are enjoying a better quality of life has nothing to do with dogma (in different sects of Christianity). They are gradually seeing the value in embracing pagan ways of living and science, and ignoring dogma. Christianity is dying a natural death in both EU and the US. In reality, Christianity was at its peak during the "dark ages". iSlam is no different. It is just going through what Christianity went through during the "dark ages". PBUH helped the faithful to freeze their outlook in tune with the 7th century by saying that he would be the last prophet. Both Christianity and iSlam actively destroyed pagan cultures across the globe (Asia, Europe, N & S America, Africa.....). Worshipping God as a female was banned in Semitic faiths in ancient times and this led to making women subservient to men. It was only through industrial revolution (had nothing to do with the Semitic dogma) that the plight of women has changed. When Victorian Englishmen were exposed to Indian culture, they were horrified. Same thing happened when they met Polynesian cultures. iSlamists were no different (and probably worse).....

So, the mullah (see below) is just saying what his religion is advocating for women:

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/demand-for-gender-equality-against-islam-and-its-culture-says-kerala-sunni-muslim-leader/
>>>>In summary, the west is pragmatic. 'One foot in Athens and one in Jerusalem' as the characterization goes, thanks to the age of reason it went through. The balance is not always perfect as seen in the idiotic creationism theories and assorted idiocies, but by and large reason seems to prevail.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:26 am

Here is another gem from the same Mullah:

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/kerala-sunni-leader-says-women-only-fit-to-deliver-children-1248727?utm_source=ndtv&utm_medium=top-stories-widget&utm_campaign=story-6-http%3a%2f%2fwww.ndtv.com%2findia-news%2fkerala-sunni-leader-says-women-only-fit-to-deliver-children-1248727

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:36 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:......Pagan cultures had more freedom of expression, gender equality and a rationalistic outlook. Semitic religions believe in submitting their minds to a dogmatic Gaud, making women subordinate to men and are apprehensive of the impact of science on dogma. The reason why people in EU and US are enjoying a better quality of life has nothing to do with dogma (in different sects of Christianity). They are gradually seeing the value in embracing pagan ways of living and science, and ignoring dogma. Christianity is dying a natural death in both EU and the US. In reality, Christianity was at its peak during the "dark ages". iSlam is no different. It is just going through what Christianity went through during the "dark ages". PBUH helped the faithful to freeze their outlook in tune with the 7th century by saying that he would be the last prophet. Both Christianity and iSlam actively destroyed pagan cultures across the globe (Asia, Europe, N & S America, Africa.....). Worshipping God as a female was banned in Semitic faiths in ancient times and this led to making women subservient to men. It was only through industrial revolution (had nothing to do with the Semitic dogma) that the plight of women has changed. When Victorian Englishmen were exposed to Indian culture, they were horrified. Same thing happened when they met Polynesian cultures. iSlamists were no different (and probably worse).....

So, the mullah (see below) is just saying what his religion is advocating for women:

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/demand-for-gender-equality-against-islam-and-its-culture-says-kerala-sunni-muslim-leader/

Is this Mullah a Hindu? Because Hinduism says the same thing about women.
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"Men must make their women dependent day and night, and keep under their own control those who are attached to sensory objects. Her father guards her in childhood, her husband guards her in youth, and her sons guard her in old age. A woman is not fit for independence." -- Manusmrti 9:2-4.

"Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man." -- Krsna Yajur Veda Taittiriya Samhita 6:5:8:2.

"Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " -- Rig Veda 8:33:17.

"A thirty-year-old man should marry a twelve-year-old girl who charms his heart, and a man of twenty-four an eight-year-old girl; and if duty is threatened, (he should marry) in haste." -- Manusmrti 9:94.

"A discarded wife is one who has no son. … For a wife that is without a son, is possessed with Nirriti (destruction, calamity)." -- Satapatha Brahmana 5:3:1:13.

"A damsel whose menses begin to appear (while she is living) at her father's house, before she has been betrothed to a man, has to be considered as a degraded woman: by taking her (without the consent of her kinsmen) a man commits no wrong." -- Visnusmrti 24:41.

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Post by truthbetold Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:08 am

Rashmun
All religions basically say the samething about women in different words.

The relevant question what are the current practices of the followers of a religion.
are they allowing women to study and work? Are women free to participate in outdoor activities? Are women harassed for family honor or dress code? Is the harassment of women limited to a group or widespread?




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Post by Guest Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:16 am

truthbetold wrote:Rashmun
All religions basically say the samething about women in different words.

The relevant question what are the current practices of the followers of a religion.
are they allowing women to study and work? Are women free to participate in outdoor activities? Are women harassed for family honor or dress code? Is the harassment of women limited to a group or widespread?




that is right. It is true that in the Indian context reforms took place in Hinduism (like abolition of sati, abolition of prohibition against widow remarriage) while similar reforms did not take place in Islam. Vakavaka seems to imagine that Islam is evil because it has a lot of stupidity in it. My point is that all religions have stupidity in them. What is needed in Islam is reforms of the kind initiated by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in Turkey.

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Post by swapna Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:18 pm

dr. paka, did you mean "relegated to the garbage bin...?"

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:43 pm

swapna wrote:dr. paka, did you mean "relegated to the garbage bin...?"

Yeah. D and R are close to each other on the keyboard.

So, do you agree with what I wrote? :-)

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:52 pm

truthbetold wrote:Rashmun
All religions basically say the samething about women in different words.

The relevant question what are the current practices of the followers of a religion.
are they allowing women to study and work? Are women free to participate in outdoor activities? Are women harassed for family honor or dress code? Is the harassment of women limited to a group or widespread?




Rashmun's two quotes from Taittareeyam and Rg Veda were twisted. His other quotes were from not authoritative sources. A culture that worships the meter used in Rg Veda, education as a process, earth, universe, etc., - as a Goddess is different from a culture that actively exiled the female Goddess of Sumer, Akkad, etc.

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:40 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Rashmun
All religions basically say the samething about women in different words.

The relevant question what are the current practices of the followers of a religion.
are they allowing women to study and work? Are women free to participate in outdoor activities? Are women harassed for family honor or dress code? Is the harassment of women limited to a group or widespread?




Rashmun's two quotes from Taittareeyam and Rg Veda were twisted. His other quotes were from not authoritative sources. A culture that worships the meter used in Rg Veda, education as a process, earth, universe, etc., - as a Goddess is different from a culture that actively exiled the female Goddess of Sumer, Akkad, etc.

https://such.forumotion.com/t26704-hinduism-and-women

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Post by truthbetold Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:18 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Rashmun
All religions basically say the samething about women in different words.

The relevant question what are the current practices of the followers of a religion.
are they allowing women to study and work? Are women free to participate in outdoor activities? Are women harassed for family honor or dress code? Is the harassment of women limited to a group or widespread?




Rashmun's two quotes from Taittareeyam and Rg Veda were twisted. His other quotes were from not authoritative sources. A culture that worships the meter used in Rg Veda, education as a process, earth, universe, etc., - as a Goddess is different from a culture that actively exiled the female Goddess of Sumer, Akkad, etc.

VP,

History is full of examples of how each religion followers treated women over centuries. All major religions, Christianity (and all its various shades including syrian christians of India), Islam, buddism and hinduism, are guity of mistreating women. We cannot go back and change the past. What are they doing now that impacts the lives of women is a more relevant question.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:54 pm

truthbetold wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Rashmun
All religions basically say the samething about women in different words.

The relevant question what are the current practices of the followers of a religion.
are they allowing women to study and work? Are women free to participate in outdoor activities? Are women harassed for family honor or dress code? Is the harassment of women limited to a group or widespread?




Rashmun's two quotes from Taittareeyam and Rg Veda were twisted. His other quotes were from not authoritative sources. A culture that worships the meter used in Rg Veda, education as a process, earth, universe, etc., - as a Goddess is different from a culture that actively exiled the female Goddess of Sumer, Akkad, etc.

VP,

History is full of examples of how each religion followers treated women over centuries.  All major religions, Christianity (and all its various shades including  syrian christians of India), Islam, buddism and hinduism, are guity of mistreating women.  We cannot go back and change the past.  What are they doing now that impacts the lives of women is a more relevant question.

I agree with you that there are problems for females in Hinduism. In my view, they can be fixed without worrying about incompatibility with religion. As more and more women get educated and join the work force, society will change. This is happening already. I am optimistic.

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Post by rawemotions Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:02 am

truthbetold wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Rashmun
All religions basically say the samething about women in different words.

The relevant question what are the current practices of the followers of a religion.
are they allowing women to study and work? Are women free to participate in outdoor activities? Are women harassed for family honor or dress code? Is the harassment of women limited to a group or widespread?




Rashmun's two quotes from Taittareeyam and Rg Veda were twisted. His other quotes were from not authoritative sources. A culture that worships the meter used in Rg Veda, education as a process, earth, universe, etc., - as a Goddess is different from a culture that actively exiled the female Goddess of Sumer, Akkad, etc.

VP,

History is full of examples of how each religion followers treated women over centuries.  All major religions, Christianity (and all its various shades including  syrian christians of India), Islam, buddism and hinduism, are guity of mistreating women.  We cannot go back and change the past.  What are they doing now that impacts the lives of women is a more relevant question.
TBT,
I am sorry you are incorrect on this. You are confusing religion and social practices. 

In Hinduism, women are also considered gods. Only a biased, ignorant and pre-judiced person would say religious sanction is there in Hinduism to mis treat women. Quoting obscurantist verses from books nobody follows, has been done with the ONLY agenda to hide the plain fact that there are adherents in Islam, who discriminate against  women with blatant religious sanction. The PROOF is right here in Indian Muslim Personal Law. Muslims oppose equal treatment to women, quoting religious right. They were just 10%. and still refusing it quite blatantly. In 1950 India fixed the Hindu religious personal law and more recently Hindu Undivided family related inheritance laws without issues.


According to my understanding, Islam gives sanction in the Quran to keep discriminate against women , and more particularly Hadith is used as a pretext to explicitly mistreat Non-Muslim women, and people practice it. ISIS quotes that TODAY to justify the practices. In Saudi Arabia the laws treat women as lesser beings than men even for common crimes.There is no inconsistency.  
The Burqa has been forced on all Indian Muslim women in the name of religion by Political Islamist's. If my understanding is wrong, please correct me with examples.

Judgement's should be data based. Reforms will come to social practices based on technology. Yes Hinduism will reform itself. 

However look at even Arab countries with technology Saudi Arabia. Women are discriminated against, by LAW, and Religious sanction has been used to justify this. Muslims in even western countries justify mistreatment of women and more specifically non-Muslim women. So the prospects of wealth modernism reforming Muslims seem to be remote, as long as Political Islamist's hold sway.  Unless a substantial number of truly secular Muslims (who are willing to shed openly ignore the discriminatory parts of their religious dogma) come to the fore like Tarek Fatah , Ayaan Hirsi Ali and taken  on the Political Islamists, it may not happen.

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