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Post by ashdoc Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:12 am

http://m.indiatimes.com/news/india/in-a-shocking-incident-muslim-family-is-heckled-forced-to-leave-cinema-hall-for-not-standing-up-for-the-national-anthem-247863.html

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:27 am

That is one stupid ritual they should do away with. Just when you have settled in comfortably with your popcorn and soda, they play the national anthem.
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Post by Kayalvizhi Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:20 am

You cannot force respect. It has to come from ypour heart.

I never ever stood for Indian anthem starting from mid college years.

Another stupid thing is swearing national integration. I never ever uttered those words.

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Post by Kayalvizhi Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:46 am

I heard that people used to boo at theaters during Indian anthem in 1965, 1966 etc

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Post by seven Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:22 pm

It's our moral duty to stand up. Not legally required to stand up. So the law is not forcing anyone to (display) respect the flag. 

People here got emotional n maybe one or more of that family annoyed some people in other ways too like spilling soda n popcorn on someone. 

Mentioning the family was Muslim was unnecessary.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:39 pm

seven wrote:It's our moral duty to stand up. Not legally required to stand up. So the law is not forcing anyone to (display) respect the flag. 

People here got emotional n maybe one or more of that family annoyed some people in other ways too like spilling soda n popcorn on someone. 

Mentioning the family was Muslim was unnecessary.
If people think that it is their right in a workplace (at office or in factory where they get paid by someone else to do work) to get up and start praying, then what is wrong in standing up during the playing of national anthem in a movie (in the beginning or at the end of the movie)?
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Post by seven Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:24 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
seven wrote:It's our moral duty to stand up. Not legally required to stand up. So the law is not forcing anyone to (display) respect the flag. 

People here got emotional n maybe one or more of that family annoyed some people in other ways too like spilling soda n popcorn on someone. 

Mentioning the family was Muslim was unnecessary.
If people think that it is their right in a workplace (at office or in factory where they get paid by someone else to do work) to get up and start praying, then what is wrong in standing up during the playing of national anthem in a movie (in the beginning or at the end of the movie)?
Everyone knows all too well about their rights. Duty, that too just moral n not legal, people like to ignore. That's why some other people around this family got upset with them n made them leave the theatre.

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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:16 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:That is one stupid ritual they should do away with. Just when you have settled in comfortably with your popcorn and soda, they play the national anthem.
I'm surprised Maharashtra still practices this ritual. Wonder how many other states in India play national anthem in movie theaters. *ahem* In MH, Do they play national anthem before they show Malayalam noon shows?

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:28 am

seven wrote:It's our moral duty to stand up. Not legally required to stand up. So the law is not forcing anyone to (display) respect the flag. 

People here got emotional n maybe one or more of that family annoyed some people in other ways too like spilling soda n popcorn on someone. 

Mentioning the family was Muslim was unnecessary.

The real disrespect to the National Anthem was shown by the self-righteous pricks who instead of simply standing in attention when it was being played, were busy heckling, abusing and even manhandling these folks.

Playing the national anthem in a casual environment like in a movie hall, sandwiched between advertisements and trailers of forthcoming releases, is itself disrespectful. It should be reserved for solemn occasions.
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Post by southindian Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:00 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:That is one stupid ritual they should do away with. Just when you have settled in comfortably with your popcorn and soda, they play the national anthem.
I'm surprised Maharashtra still practices this ritual. Wonder how many other states in India play national anthem in movie theaters. *ahem* In MH, Do they play national anthem before they show Malayalam noon shows?
uh? Surprised! I have seen no one complaining when US national anthem is played in football games, baseball games, events in US. And yes people will be heckeld if they show disrespect for national anthem in USA. Off there are "progressive" morons who think its not good in India but love for country in USA.
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Post by southindian Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:06 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
seven wrote:It's our moral duty to stand up. Not legally required to stand up. So the law is not forcing anyone to (display) respect the flag. 

People here got emotional n maybe one or more of that family annoyed some people in other ways too like spilling soda n popcorn on someone. 

Mentioning the family was Muslim was unnecessary.

The real disrespect to the National Anthem was shown by the self-righteous pricks who instead of simply standing in attention when it was being played, were busy heckling, abusing and even manhandling these folks.

Playing the national anthem in a casual environment like in a movie hall, sandwiched between advertisements and trailers of forthcoming releases, is itself disrespectful. It should be reserved for solemn occasions.
Tell me about disrespect...

What about those assholes who pester, heckle, track handles here and bully them by calling them "Shaven" despite being told not to... Smile What should we do with that moron?
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Post by Seva Lamberdar Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:26 am

According to the ex-NewYork mayor Gulliani on CNN today, when some Muslims in NewJersey/NewYork area started celebrating (dancing etc.) following the 9/11 attacks World Trade Center, some non-Muslims youths in the projects retaliated by cursing and shouting etc. at least against the celebrating Muslims.  Was this an act of intolerance (trying to suppress the freedom of expression / celebration) on the part of these youths against Muslims, which perhaps should have been condemned by the American (New York etc.) authorities including the police?
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Post by seven Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:31 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:According to the ex-NewYork mayor Gulliani on CNN today, when some Muslims in NewJersey/NewYork area started celebrating (dancing etc.) following the 9/11 attacks World Trade Center, some non-Muslims youths in the projects retaliated by cursing and shouting etc. at least against the celebrating Muslims.  Was this an act of intolerance (trying to suppress the freedom of expression / celebration) on the part of these youths against Muslims, which perhaps should have been condemned by the American (New York etc.) authorities including the police?
CNN reported factcheck denied any such celebration took place in NJ. They called it unverified and unattributed. 

Freedom of expression can go so far n then it loses its value when it interferes with other people's sentiments. Like we can't criticize islam for its atrocities because it hurts moderate Muslims.

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Post by seven Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:32 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
seven wrote:It's our moral duty to stand up. Not legally required to stand up. So the law is not forcing anyone to (display) respect the flag. 

People here got emotional n maybe one or more of that family annoyed some people in other ways too like spilling soda n popcorn on someone. 

Mentioning the family was Muslim was unnecessary.

The real disrespect to the National Anthem was shown by the self-righteous pricks who instead of simply standing in attention when it was being played, were busy heckling, abusing and even manhandling these folks.

Playing the national anthem in a casual environment like in a movie hall, sandwiched between advertisements and trailers of forthcoming releases, is itself disrespectful. It should be reserved for solemn occasions.
Completely agree. Exactly my sentiments.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:34 pm

seven wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:According to the ex-NewYork mayor Gulliani on CNN today, when some Muslims in NewJersey/NewYork area started celebrating (dancing etc.) following the 9/11 attacks World Trade Center, some non-Muslims youths in the projects retaliated by cursing and shouting etc. at least against the celebrating Muslims.  Was this an act of intolerance (trying to suppress the freedom of expression / celebration) on the part of these youths against Muslims, which perhaps should have been condemned by the American (New York etc.) authorities including the police?
CNN reported factcheck denied any such celebration took place in NJ. They called it unverified and unattributed. 

Freedom of expression can go so far n then it loses its value when it interferes with other people's sentiments. Like we can't criticize islam for its atrocities because it hurts moderate Muslims.
Here is what Rudy Giuliani (ex-mayor of New York city) said on CNN (Dec. 1) about Muslims celebrating in NY/NJ area following the 9/11 attack on World Trade Center, paraphrasing here, "... we had pockets of celebration in Queens and Brooklyn ... 10,20 ... 30, 40 ....    One candy store owner was found to be celebrating ... kids from the housing project got upset and beat him up.... "
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Post by seven Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:47 pm

They did well @ beat him up. 
How insensitive of him to celebrate. 

If he has freedom of expression, the beaters have it too.

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Post by confuzzled dude Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:04 pm

But what if I choose to sit as the national anthem plays at the start of a commercial potboiler? What if I decide that playing the anthem before the film titles roll denigrates the grandeur of the anthem? What if I don’t stand to attention when the national flag is being hoisted before a cricket match, or when the national anthem is played after an Indian wins a medal at a tournament? I mean no disrespect to either the team or the flag or the anthem. What if I choose not to cheer the Indian cricket team and my surname is Khan? Does the solution lie in sending me to Pakistan?

“Playing the national anthem before a film takes away the gravitas. Standing up becomes a tokenism. And why should it be a measure of patriotism?” says Bhaskar Hazarika, director of the recent Assamese film, Kothanodi. Adds acclaimed director Anand Patwardhan: “The national anthem should be played only on very special occasions. By doing this at every show every day, they are robbing it of meaning.”

A reading of the Prevention of Insults to National Honour Act, 1971, passed by Parliament after the Bangladesh War and amended in 2005, actually reveals that it was not the person who kept sitting but the man/men heckling him who were creating a law and order problem. Section 3 of the Act says, “Whoever intentionally prevents the singing of the Indian National Anthem or causes disturbance shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.” (See — What the law says and what the courts ruled)

Government’s stand
The Central government’s stand on the issue was made clear by the General Provision of Order of January 5, 2015 when it said, “Whenever the National Anthem is sung or played, the audience shall stand to attention. However, when in the course of a newsreel or documentary, the Anthem is played as a part of the film, it is not expected of the audience to stand as standing is bound to interrupt the exhibition of the film and would create disorder and confusion rather than add to the dignity of the Anthem.”
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/national-pride-and-prejudice/article7949584.ece

Hope this clarifies the confusion of few SuCHers on national anthem etiquette.

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Post by truthbetold Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:20 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
But what if I choose to sit as the national anthem plays at the start of a commercial potboiler? What if I decide that playing the anthem before the film titles roll denigrates the grandeur of the anthem? What if I don’t stand to attention when the national flag is being hoisted before a cricket match, or when the national anthem is played after an Indian wins a medal at a tournament? I mean no disrespect to either the team or the flag or the anthem. What if I choose not to cheer the Indian cricket team and my surname is Khan? Does the solution lie in sending me to Pakistan?

“Playing the national anthem before a film takes away the gravitas. Standing up becomes a tokenism. And why should it be a measure of patriotism?” says Bhaskar Hazarika, director of the recent Assamese film, Kothanodi. Adds acclaimed director Anand Patwardhan: “The national anthem should be played only on very special occasions. By doing this at every show every day, they are robbing it of meaning.”

A reading of the Prevention of Insults to National Honour Act, 1971, passed by Parliament after the Bangladesh War and amended in 2005, actually reveals that it was not the person who kept sitting but the man/men heckling him who were creating a law and order problem. Section 3 of the Act says, “Whoever intentionally prevents the singing of the Indian National Anthem or causes disturbance shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.” (See — What the law says and what the courts ruled)

Government’s stand
The Central government’s stand on the issue was made clear by the General Provision of Order of January 5, 2015 when it said, “Whenever the National Anthem is sung or played, the audience shall stand to attention. However, when in the course of a newsreel or documentary, the Anthem is played as a part of the film, it is not expected of the audience to stand as standing is bound to interrupt the exhibition of the film and would create disorder and confusion rather than add to the dignity of the Anthem.”
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/national-pride-and-prejudice/article7949584.ece

Hope this clarifies the confusion of few SuCHers on national anthem etiquette.

The only logical argument in these thread is it is an old habit from congress days to play national anthem in movie theaters and it should be dropped.


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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:14 am

southindian wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:That is one stupid ritual they should do away with. Just when you have settled in comfortably with your popcorn and soda, they play the national anthem.
I'm surprised Maharashtra still practices this ritual. Wonder how many other states in India play national anthem in movie theaters. *ahem* In MH, Do they play national anthem before they show Malayalam noon shows?
uh? Surprised! I have seen no one complaining when US national anthem is played in football games, baseball games, events in US. And yes people will be heckeld if they show disrespect for national anthem in USA. Off there are "progressive" morons who think its not good in India but love for country in USA.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-black-lives-matter_us_57c1a1bde4b085c1ff299efd
San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick refused to stand for the playing of the national anthem before the team’s Friday night preseason game against the Green Bay Packers, and on Saturday, he explained why.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” Kaepernick told NFL.com’s Steve Wyche. “To me, this is bigger than football, and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”
Here we go "progressive" morons acting up again.

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Post by Ponniyin Selvan Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:40 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:That is one stupid ritual they should do away with. Just when you have settled in comfortably with your popcorn and soda, they play the national anthem.

Is this a region specific ritual?. I have never seen such a ritual in Chennai theatres. Even if they do, I won't stand up and I guess many would do the same. 

The only ritual I see is some advertisements from TN govt praising the schemes of Amma.

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Post by ashdoc Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:22 pm

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:


 I won't stand up and I guess many would do the same. 

is it because you are all separatists like kayalvizhi ? or is the reason something else ?

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