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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:49 pm

Intolerance in India is not a new thing. So why are we suddenly so outraged and worried about what has been happening after the BJP government came to power last year?

I have not been in India for almost a year. So my impressions come from a distance. However, it seems that the concerns stem from the fact that the BJP has such a massive majority in parliament, which may seem an occasion for them to impose their agenda in a way they could not in the period 1998-2004 [when the party was previously in power].

People would be less concerned if this was a coalition government.

Do you believe India has actually become more intolerant? Isn't it the case that Congress and many other non-BJP state governments don't have a leg to stand on, insofar as liberal values are concerned?

It is not a question of "India", but of the upper echelons of the political class and their attitudes. It is true that "liberal values" have always been fragile in independent India. The BJP is not alone in the matter of attacking them. Few parties actually incarnate any real political liberalism. But should that make the BJP immune to criticism?

But it comes from many members of civil society who feel threatened, and when they protest in a non-violent way, they are told brutally to leave the country and go elsewhere. That is the crude language of majoritarianism. It is being felt in many institutions. My friends in the universities are also feeling it more and more.

So how different is that intolerance with this one under the BJP regime? Are we panicking too much?

There are certainly reasons for concern when a certain type of intimidation and bullying becomes a part of the normal language of public discourse.

The BJP is not the only group to do this, but they are the ones with the power in many parts of India.

If I lived in Pakistan, my concern would be with the Salafis; if I lived in France, it would be with the Front National, who also use a majoritarian language to say "either become French on my terms, or face the consequences".

This needs to be protested, just as the 1975 Emergency needed to be resisted, or Nandigram [killings] needed to be protested. Why should we make an exception for the BJP's bullying?
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Post by truthbetold Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:58 pm

India as a nation is not intolerant. The attitudes of a country does not change in a single year.

The change of govt is real. Some leaders of the new regime made irresponsible statements. There were few incidents of concern. Any student of history will tell you that that is not sufficient time to even think of a making judgement.

Criticizing BJP and its actions is fair game.

But calling India as an intolerant nation is stupid and ignorant.

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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:12 pm

truthbetold wrote:India as a nation is not intolerant. The attitudes of a country does not change in a single year.

The change of govt is real.  Some leaders of the new regime made irresponsible statements.  There were few incidents of concern.  Any student of history will tell you that that is not sufficient time to even think of a making judgement.

Criticizing BJP and its actions is fair game.  

But calling India as an intolerant nation is stupid and ignorant.
Well, the US, country, gets blamed for its President's actions, similarly, Russia gets blamed for Putin's.. so it's a fair game to blame Modi & India.

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Post by truthbetold Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:53 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:India as a nation is not intolerant. The attitudes of a country does not change in a single year.

The change of govt is real.  Some leaders of the new regime made irresponsible statements.  There were few incidents of concern.  Any student of history will tell you that that is not sufficient time to even think of a making judgement.

Criticizing BJP and its actions is fair game.  

But calling India as an intolerant nation is stupid and ignorant.
Well, the US, country, gets blamed for its President's actions, similarly, Russia gets blamed for Putin's.. so it's a fair game to blame Modi & India.

Tolerance is not a state policy. It is a cultural issue and it is related to people and their actions. Comparing that to govt economic and defense policies exhibits a desire to ignore facts and hide behind opportunistic politics.

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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:20 pm

truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:India as a nation is not intolerant. The attitudes of a country does not change in a single year.

The change of govt is real.  Some leaders of the new regime made irresponsible statements.  There were few incidents of concern.  Any student of history will tell you that that is not sufficient time to even think of a making judgement.

Criticizing BJP and its actions is fair game.  

But calling India as an intolerant nation is stupid and ignorant.
Well, the US, country, gets blamed for its President's actions, similarly, Russia gets blamed for Putin's.. so it's a fair game to blame Modi & India.

Tolerance is not a state policy. It is a cultural issue and it is related to people and their actions. Comparing that to govt economic and defense policies exhibits a desire to ignore facts and hide behind opportunistic politics.
Whether or not you agree, intolerance has been this govt's policy, my friend. Who do you think Obama lectured in his speech on religious tolerance?

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Post by rawemotions Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:15 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:India as a nation is not intolerant. The attitudes of a country does not change in a single year.

The change of govt is real.  Some leaders of the new regime made irresponsible statements.  There were few incidents of concern.  Any student of history will tell you that that is not sufficient time to even think of a making judgement.

Criticizing BJP and its actions is fair game.  

But calling India as an intolerant nation is stupid and ignorant.
Well, the US, country, gets blamed for its President's actions, similarly, Russia gets blamed for Putin's.. so it's a fair game to blame Modi & India.

Tolerance is not a state policy. It is a cultural issue and it is related to people and their actions. Comparing that to govt economic and defense policies exhibits a desire to ignore facts and hide behind opportunistic politics.
Whether or not you agree, intolerance has been this govt's policy, my friend. Who do you think Obama lectured in his speech on religious tolerance
Going by the definition of intolerance, it is a Joke to say that India was all along Tolerant, till May 15 2014. Off course, there seems to  be no dearth of hypocritical folks who will fully ignore facts and make points. Case in point, being the Indian media itself who did not even once question past and present intolerant acts by the state, and Political Islamists, not as vociferously as they have done now.  Even now the double standards continue and nobody seems to question the media openly on this.

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Post by confuzzled dude Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:20 am

rawemotions wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:India as a nation is not intolerant. The attitudes of a country does not change in a single year.

The change of govt is real.  Some leaders of the new regime made irresponsible statements.  There were few incidents of concern.  Any student of history will tell you that that is not sufficient time to even think of a making judgement.

Criticizing BJP and its actions is fair game.  

But calling India as an intolerant nation is stupid and ignorant.
Well, the US, country, gets blamed for its President's actions, similarly, Russia gets blamed for Putin's.. so it's a fair game to blame Modi & India.

Tolerance is not a state policy. It is a cultural issue and it is related to people and their actions. Comparing that to govt economic and defense policies exhibits a desire to ignore facts and hide behind opportunistic politics.
Whether or not you agree, intolerance has been this govt's policy, my friend. Who do you think Obama lectured in his speech on religious tolerance
Going by the definition of intolerance, it is a Joke to say that India was all along Tolerant, till May 15 2014. Off course, there seems to  be no dearth of hypocritical folks who will fully ignore facts and make points. Case in point, being the Indian media itself who did not even once question past and present intolerant acts by the state, and Political Islamists, not as vociferously as they have done now.  Even now the double standards continue and nobody seems to question the media openly on this.
Are you suggesting that media is blowing this out of proportion and should have treated these lynchings on par with killing stray dogs? Going by your very logic, why would the same media which was all praises for this leader, not too long ago, suddenly turn against him?

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:33 am

"Intolerance" is a political weapon that CONmen, Commies and other Sikular crooks discovered for increasing their vote-banks. This kind of Doggy type plans will eventually backfire. The youth in India , whether they are Dalits, Muslims or OBC, are smarter than Pappu and Soonya. They will eventually see through the CONgame.

Ceausescu and Marie Antoinette will eventually be hanged in front of parliament.

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