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Post by ashdoc on Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:36 pm

'Bajirao Mastani' is the love story of Bajirao the warrior peshwa ( prime minister ) of the maratha empire with mastani who was the princess of Bundelkhand---muslim daughter of the hindu rajput king's muslim wife . But Bajirao was already married to Kashibai and Mastani became his second wife .

So who was Bajirao ?? To those who haven't seen the film and don't know the history , he was the prime minister of Chhatrapati Shahu the grandson of Chhatrapati Shivaji . His time saw power slipping into the hands of the peshwa as Shahu was not an active ruler and let Bajirao handle most of his campaigns . Bajirao led the tide of maratha conquest into north India until his forces began to knock on the gates of Mughal capital Delhi by attacking it's suburbs . Bajirao was a brahmin by caste .

Now there have been some objections raised against the film---that the peshwa's first wife has been shown dancing like a dancing girl in the film , and that the great peshwa who was a mighty warrior who won 41 battles without losing any of them has been reduced to just ' lover of Mastani ' . My answer to those objections is---
Even though the peshwa is shown in the film as mainly 'lover of Mastani' he was anyway largely unknown outside Maharashtra . The film at least gives publicity to his name all over India and lets north Indian people know that maratha armies once invaded north India to liberate them from Mughal rule . Yes , it is not right to show a royal lady like the peshwa's wife dancing like a dancing girl , but director Bhansali has to sell his film isn't it . Now even though Bajirao has been a subject of marathi films and plays and TV serials , all of them have been made at a fraction of the budget of this film . Since Bhansali has made such a grand film on a huge budget giving good publicity to Bajirao's name all over India , what is wrong in giving cinematic liberty to him to show a few songs and dances to help his film recover the money spent ?? Nothing is wrong in that .

The thing that strikes you about this film is the absolute grandeur of the settings and beauty of the photography and the lavish scale on which everything has been picturised . The costumes of the maratha warriors are splendid , the rhythm in which they dance is perfect and there is an orgy of colour everywhere . The women look good , the men are smartly dressed , their horses gallop with speed and the saffron flags they fly billow in the wind magnificently . The mansions and the palaces and the forts in which the scenes are set look superb . Every scene looks like a work of art---the earthen oil lamps in the vast rooms , the chandeliers , the jewellery and the saris of the women , the flowing robes of the royal men...all has been painstakingly picturised . The battle scenes are less spectacular but good enough . The forts of kumbhalgarh and amber in rajasthan and the fort of maheshwar in madhya pradesh has been used for filming some of the scenes . 

The first half moves with pace , and it is Mastani ( Deepika Padukone ) who initiates everything---war , peace , love , travel from bundelkhand to Pune , marriage , confrontation with the peshwa's family , and sacrifice for love . Ranveer Singh looks every inch a peshwa ( thank god the Salman Aishwarya affair broke down and Sallu didn't make it as peshwa as earlier planned ) and has made every effort to look like Bajirao himself---the style of walking and talking , the manliness , and above all the arrogance . He fights his enemies with fervour and dances with gusto . His words are sharp and his sword is always gleaming---except when it is reddened by the opponent's blood . His arrows always find their accurate mark .Priyanka Chopra acts as Kashibai and her acting is even better than Deepika and perfectly shows the pain of a wife who has to contend with her husband's philandering---but even in her pain she never loses her dignity . The obnoxious Pune brahimins who are always outraged over something ( they are outraged over the film ) are in full form---refusing to accept Mastani because she belongs to a different religion and refusing to give her son a hindu name . Tanvi Azmi has really cut her hair and become bald to play her role as Bajirao's formidable widowed mother---widows were balded in those times to make them unattractive to other men . 

In the second half the film becomes tragic and the beauty of the scenes lose some of their sheen . Bajirao seems to fall in love like a warrior rather than lover---with a sense of duty towards his beloved who has come from far to get him and crossed boundaries of religion to meet him . Music cannot be called the strong point of the film . The songs don't impress . But the film does , and should be watched on the large screen to be really enjoyed for it's cinematography .

Verdict---Good .
Three and a half stars .

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Post by seven on Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:20 pm

Rashmun,

Pls post examples of Hindu daughter of Muslim King n Hindu queen.

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Post by ashdoc on Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:39 pm

ironically , only mastani's muslim descendants have bajirao's genes today , because the peshwa's hindu descendants are descendants of an adopted son of bajirao's son raghunathrao---

http://www.punemirror.in/pune/cover-story/The-Mastani-MYSTERY/articleshow/48938887.cms

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Post by ashdoc on Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:57 pm

in 2012 , the centuries old feud between bajirao's two wives kashibai's descendants ( descendants of an adopted son of her second son ) and mastani's descendants came to an end over a meeting with kaju katlis and rasgollas---

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=TU1JUi8yMDEyLzA3LzA2I0FyMDEyMDA=&Mode=HTML&Locale=english-skin-custom

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Post by Hellsangel on Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:18 pm

Are you celebrating this peace treaty, Doc?

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Post by ashdoc on Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:34 pm

Hellsangel wrote:Are you celebrating this peace treaty, Doc?
sure , why not .

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Post by truthbetold on Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:00 pm

I saw few songs and trailers. Bhansali guy really creates a fantasy around the story.
I may go and see the movie just for mega opulent sets.

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Post by ashdoc on Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:38 pm

Seeing the movie again---

Seeing Bajirao Mastani again , I was struck by the stupidity of the Pune brahmins and Bajirao's mother and brother and elder son . Why could they not let Bajirao have what he wanted---company of Mastani ?? It was to Bajirao that they all owed their position . If he was not so gallant and brave the maratha empire would not have been so great . It was he who had transformed the kingdom established by Shivaji into an empire . It was due to his military genius that they all ( Pune brahmins ) were enjoying the perks they did---for it was he who had effectively transferred the power that the maratha caste enjoyed in the kingdom ( Shivaji was maratha by caste ) to the brahmins and made the brahmins supreme . Why could they not set aside their narrow religious beliefs to let the great peshwa enjoy the love of Mastani ?? If it is true that Bajirao died because he was pining for Mastani , then they were shooting the maratha empire in the foot . Because after Bajirao's death his son Nanasaheb took some time to establish himself as Peshwa . In the meantime many precious years were lost---years that could have been spent in expanding the empire . And Nanasaheb could not prove to be as great as Bajirao . Coould the Pune brahmins not put their narrow religious beliefs aside for the sake of the empire ??

But Bajirao's infatuation with Mastani to the opposition of everyone also proves why he is deservedly considered a lesser political personality than Shivaji . Though Shivaji was kind to his wives he would have never gone against the clergy and society for a woman if it harmed politics of the kingdom . For him expansion of his kingdom was above all else . Though he was not brahmin he used to go to considerable lengths to keep the brahmins in good humour . He was never so much in love with a woman that he would pine for her to the cost of the kingdom's politics . That is why he was able to establish a kingdom in the face of such powerful opposition from the mughals , the sultan of bijapur , the siddi of janjira , the portuguese and the english . Bajirao actually died pining for a woman !! All his greatness lost for a woman !! Then he was not as great as Shivaji !!

Coming to the movie , what you see is a sea of saffron flags in the movie---flying proudly above shaniwarwada ( the peshwa's palace ) , flying from Kashibai's hands , billowing from every nook and corner of the maratha army as it triumphantly marches . Also he is shown victorious against the mughals and the nizam of hyderabad in battles . One or two stray references to ' hindu raj' and 'one hindu king going to the help of another hindu king' . This has been enough to make the secular-muslim lobby uneasy . After Aakar Patel's blog  Shoaib Daniyal has written a blog reminding the Bengalis of the atrocities that marathas committed in Bengal . Both blogs have been timed coinciding with the movie's release .

Shoaib Daniyal's blog---

http://scroll.in/article/776978/forgotten-indian-history-the-brutal-maratha-invasions-of-bengal

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Post by ashdoc on Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:52 pm

my answer to shoaib daniyal's blog---

Those invasions were by raghuji bhosale of Nagpur who was enemy of bajirao in the maratha court . But it was those invasions which rocked the foundations of the nawab's islamic rule in west bengal . Interestingly only that region of Bengal that was attacked by marathas is with India today . Rest is Bangladesh.
Later the son of bajirao ( peshwa nanasaheb ) defeated the bhosales and stopped maratha invasions of Bengal. But if raghuji bhosale had conquered Bengal then whole of Bengal would have been with India today.

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Post by Hellsangel on Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:56 pm

So, Doc, your conclusion is 

Marathas>> Brahmins?

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Post by truthbetold on Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:34 pm

Doc,

(forgive me for my ignorance) is maratha a name for the people living in a region (andhras or telanganites) or is the name of people who belong to a caste?

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Post by ashdoc on Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:22 pm

marathas are the dominant caste of maharashtra . so sometimes the entire marathi speaking people ( correctly called as maharashtrians in english ) are sometimes reffered to as marathas .

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Post by Hellsangel on Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:42 pm

ashdoc wrote:marathas are the dominant caste of maharashtra . so sometimes the entire marathi speaking people ( correctly called as maharashtrians in english ) are sometimes reffered to as marathas .
Isn't that a fact everywhere in India, Doc? In Kashmir, Muslims >> Pandits, in Haryana, Punjab etc Jats >> Brahmins.

And so on.

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Post by ashdoc on Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:14 am

 on other websites where i wrote the post many people are raising doubts about whether bajirao really died pining for mastani . actually he may have died due to heat stroke . it is the movie which shows him dying pining for mastani but movies always exaggerate romance dont they....so the premise of my whole post ( my second post that is , not my review ) may be false . maybe it was just bad luck that he died so early .

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Post by truthbetold on Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:05 am

Hellsangel wrote:
ashdoc wrote:marathas are the dominant caste of maharashtra . so sometimes the entire marathi speaking people ( correctly called as maharashtrians in english ) are sometimes reffered to as marathas .
Isn't that a fact everywhere in India, Doc? In Kashmir, Muslims >> Pandits, in Haryana, Punjab etc Jats >> Brahmins.

And so on.

HA,

That seem to be a special case. Punjabi's, haryanvi's , and andhra's are names related to geographical features. Tamils, kannadigas, and bengalis are language based names. I am not familiar with anyone referring to a brahmin or bania from punjab or haryana as a jat. Mumai for marathas probably does not mean just for those from maratha caste.

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ashdoc wrote:'Bajirao Mastani' is the love story of Bajirao the warrior peshwa ( prime minister ) of the maratha empire with mastani who was the princess of Bundelkhand---muslim daughter of the hindu rajput king's muslim wife . But Bajirao was already married to Kashibai and Mastani became his second wife .

So who was Bajirao ?? To those who haven't seen the film and don't know the history , he was the prime minister of Chhatrapati Shahu the grandson of Chhatrapati Shivaji . His time saw power slipping into the hands of the peshwa as Shahu was not an active ruler and let Bajirao handle most of his campaigns . Bajirao led the tide of maratha conquest into north India until his forces began to knock on the gates of Mughal capital Delhi by attacking it's suburbs . Bajirao was a brahmin by caste .

Now there have been some objections raised against the film---that the peshwa's first wife has been shown dancing like a dancing girl in the film , and that the great peshwa who was a mighty warrior who won 41 battles without losing any of them has been reduced to just ' lover of Mastani ' . My answer to those objections is---
Even though the peshwa is shown in the film as mainly 'lover of Mastani' he was anyway largely unknown outside Maharashtra . The film at least gives publicity to his name all over India and lets north Indian people know that maratha armies once invaded north India to liberate them from Mughal rule . Yes , it is not right to show a royal lady like the peshwa's wife dancing like a dancing girl , but director Bhansali has to sell his film isn't it . Now even though Bajirao has been a subject of marathi films and plays and TV serials , all of them have been made at a fraction of the budget of this film . Since Bhansali has made such a grand film on a huge budget giving good publicity to Bajirao's name all over India , what is wrong in giving cinematic liberty to him to show a few songs and dances to help his film recover the money spent ?? Nothing is wrong in that .

The thing that strikes you about this film is the absolute grandeur of the settings and beauty of the photography and the lavish scale on which everything has been picturised . The costumes of the maratha warriors are splendid , the rhythm in which they dance is perfect and there is an orgy of colour everywhere . The women look good , the men are smartly dressed , their horses gallop with speed and the saffron flags they fly billow in the wind magnificently . The mansions and the palaces and the forts in which the scenes are set look superb . Every scene looks like a work of art---the earthen oil lamps in the vast rooms , the chandeliers , the jewellery and the saris of the women , the flowing robes of the royal men...all has been painstakingly picturised . The battle scenes are less spectacular but good enough . The forts of kumbhalgarh and amber in rajasthan and the fort of maheshwar in madhya pradesh has been used for filming some of the scenes . 

The first half moves with pace , and it is Mastani ( Deepika Padukone ) who initiates everything---war , peace , love , travel from bundelkhand to Pune , marriage , confrontation with the peshwa's family , and sacrifice for love . Ranveer Singh looks every inch a peshwa ( thank god the Salman Aishwarya affair broke down and Sallu didn't make it as peshwa as earlier planned ) and has made every effort to look like Bajirao himself---the style of walking and talking , the manliness , and above all the arrogance . He fights his enemies with fervour and dances with gusto . His words are sharp and his sword is always gleaming---except when it is reddened by the opponent's blood . His arrows always find their accurate mark .Priyanka Chopra acts as Kashibai and her acting is even better than Deepika and perfectly shows the pain of a wife who has to contend with her husband's philandering---but even in her pain she never loses her dignity . The obnoxious Pune brahimins who are always outraged over something ( they are outraged over the film ) are in full form---refusing to accept Mastani because she belongs to a different religion and refusing to give her son a hindu name . Tanvi Azmi has really cut her hair and become bald to play her role as Bajirao's formidable widowed mother---widows were balded in those times to make them unattractive to other men . 

In the second half the film becomes tragic and the beauty of the scenes lose some of their sheen . Bajirao seems to fall in love like a warrior rather than lover---with a sense of duty towards his beloved who has come from far to get him and crossed boundaries of religion to meet him . Music cannot be called the strong point of the film . The songs don't impress . But the film does , and should be watched on the large screen to be really enjoyed for it's cinematography .

Verdict---Good .
Three and a half stars .

doc,

excellent review. i avoided the movie because my sil called it a fraud. i will watch it tomorrow if it is still playing at the plexes.

few off-the-cuff questions:

- mastani's father was hindu. how did mastani become muslim?
- oil lamps for lighting? what? it's been years since babur brought wax candles to india. anachronism?
- do we need movies to educate us about the great marathas or ashoka (both bhansali)? maybe we do. scratch this question.

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Post by ashdoc on Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:13 pm

brie wrote:
ashdoc wrote:'Bajirao Mastani' is the love story of Bajirao the warrior peshwa ( prime minister ) of the maratha empire with mastani who was the princess of Bundelkhand---muslim daughter of the hindu rajput king's muslim wife . But Bajirao was already married to Kashibai and Mastani became his second wife .

So who was Bajirao ?? To those who haven't seen the film and don't know the history , he was the prime minister of Chhatrapati Shahu the grandson of Chhatrapati Shivaji . His time saw power slipping into the hands of the peshwa as Shahu was not an active ruler and let Bajirao handle most of his campaigns . Bajirao led the tide of maratha conquest into north India until his forces began to knock on the gates of Mughal capital Delhi by attacking it's suburbs . Bajirao was a brahmin by caste .

Now there have been some objections raised against the film---that the peshwa's first wife has been shown dancing like a dancing girl in the film , and that the great peshwa who was a mighty warrior who won 41 battles without losing any of them has been reduced to just ' lover of Mastani ' . My answer to those objections is---
Even though the peshwa is shown in the film as mainly 'lover of Mastani' he was anyway largely unknown outside Maharashtra . The film at least gives publicity to his name all over India and lets north Indian people know that maratha armies once invaded north India to liberate them from Mughal rule . Yes , it is not right to show a royal lady like the peshwa's wife dancing like a dancing girl , but director Bhansali has to sell his film isn't it . Now even though Bajirao has been a subject of marathi films and plays and TV serials , all of them have been made at a fraction of the budget of this film . Since Bhansali has made such a grand film on a huge budget giving good publicity to Bajirao's name all over India , what is wrong in giving cinematic liberty to him to show a few songs and dances to help his film recover the money spent ?? Nothing is wrong in that .

The thing that strikes you about this film is the absolute grandeur of the settings and beauty of the photography and the lavish scale on which everything has been picturised . The costumes of the maratha warriors are splendid , the rhythm in which they dance is perfect and there is an orgy of colour everywhere . The women look good , the men are smartly dressed , their horses gallop with speed and the saffron flags they fly billow in the wind magnificently . The mansions and the palaces and the forts in which the scenes are set look superb . Every scene looks like a work of art---the earthen oil lamps in the vast rooms , the chandeliers , the jewellery and the saris of the women , the flowing robes of the royal men...all has been painstakingly picturised . The battle scenes are less spectacular but good enough . The forts of kumbhalgarh and amber in rajasthan and the fort of maheshwar in madhya pradesh has been used for filming some of the scenes . 

The first half moves with pace , and it is Mastani ( Deepika Padukone ) who initiates everything---war , peace , love , travel from bundelkhand to Pune , marriage , confrontation with the peshwa's family , and sacrifice for love . Ranveer Singh looks every inch a peshwa ( thank god the Salman Aishwarya affair broke down and Sallu didn't make it as peshwa as earlier planned ) and has made every effort to look like Bajirao himself---the style of walking and talking , the manliness , and above all the arrogance . He fights his enemies with fervour and dances with gusto . His words are sharp and his sword is always gleaming---except when it is reddened by the opponent's blood . His arrows always find their accurate mark .Priyanka Chopra acts as Kashibai and her acting is even better than Deepika and perfectly shows the pain of a wife who has to contend with her husband's philandering---but even in her pain she never loses her dignity . The obnoxious Pune brahimins who are always outraged over something ( they are outraged over the film ) are in full form---refusing to accept Mastani because she belongs to a different religion and refusing to give her son a hindu name . Tanvi Azmi has really cut her hair and become bald to play her role as Bajirao's formidable widowed mother---widows were balded in those times to make them unattractive to other men . 

In the second half the film becomes tragic and the beauty of the scenes lose some of their sheen . Bajirao seems to fall in love like a warrior rather than lover---with a sense of duty towards his beloved who has come from far to get him and crossed boundaries of religion to meet him . Music cannot be called the strong point of the film . The songs don't impress . But the film does , and should be watched on the large screen to be really enjoyed for it's cinematography .

Verdict---Good .
Three and a half stars .

doc,

excellent review. i avoided the movie because my sil called it a fraud. i will watch it tomorrow if it is still playing at the plexes.

few off-the-cuff questions:

- mastani's father was hindu. how did mastani become muslim?
- oil lamps for lighting? what? it's been years since babur brought wax candles to india. anachronism?
- do we need movies to educate us about the great marathas or ashoka (both bhansali)? maybe we do. scratch this question.
thank you for the appreciation .

mastani's mother was either a wife or concubine who was muslim . she was one of raja chhatrasal's ( mastani's father ) many wives/concubines . that wife ( ruhani begum ) was from a family of tawaifs . raja chhatrasal allowed her to not only bring up her daughter as muslim but also to train her to dance . mastani won bajirao's heart by dancing in front of him regularly in tawaif fashion and introducing him to drink and nonveg food---the last totally abhorrent to pune brahmins , who refused to do the thread ceremony of all his sons including those from his first brahmin wife till chhatrapati shahu literally forced them to do so on pain of punishment . but mastani's son ( who she wanted to be brought up as hindu and named krishna singh in rajput fashion ) was forced to become a muslim and ultimately named shamsher bahadur . 

oil lamps---i dont know . the movie is not historically accurate and has used cinematic liberty to show anything . 

sure , we need movies to teach us about marathas and sikhs and rajputs and vijaynagar empire and gupta empire and chola empire etc . the history textbooks nowadays teach only about the alleged greatness of akbar and aurangzeb and neglect those whose religion is formed from indian soil .

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Post by Guest on Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:23 am

Just checked into the plex. Theatre is empty. Guess sales have already peaked.

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Post by Guest on Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:24 am

I love mastani. Hum bhi koi peshwa se kam nahi behenchod

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Post by Guest on Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:55 am

OK movie. good entertainment. educational? crap. i have decided not to watch ashoka as i had wanted to recently after gentle proddings by friends. the problem with bhansali is that he zeroes in on a romantic theme for his period films. 

a period film should be like sikandar. sikandar covered the travails of alexander as he conquered territory, what is now turkey, iraq, iran and afghanistan, his love-life with his babylonian wife, his murder of generals on a paranoid-drunken spree, his foray to india. well this dialogue says it all:



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what made bajirao mastani tolerable for me was 

- baji rao's character depiction -- reticent, logical to the point of being brusque, unemotional and duty bound. 
- the slight marathi-hindi accent all actors adopted. it was sexy. i want to speak hindi that way.

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Post by southindian on Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:25 am

brie wrote:I love mastani. Hum bhi koi peshwa se kam nahi behenchod
This sounds like a leak.

Kerala Loin can stop peshwa. This loin can stop all leaks. Smile

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brie wrote:

NIGAH.

think the instruction in the movie was NIKKA. not sure. don't know marathi.

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brie wrote:
what made bajirao mastani tolerable for me was 

- baji rao's character depiction -- reticent, logical to the point of being brusque, unemotional and duty bound. 
- the slight marathi-hindi accent all actors adopted. it was sexy. i want to speak hindi that way.

NIGAH.

XH loved the movie. daughter didn't like it much, except for mastani's role. I haven't seen it yet. She was also amazed how they managed to make Priyanka Chopra look so marathi. Daughter has typical marathi features herself. 

So a convo the other day. Daughter accused XH that he liked the movie only coz it had marathi characters. And said something like - oh i hate being marathi. it's all mommy's fault as she hated them. So now I am on the defensive saying I don't hate marathi people, and XH sulking how i do. Then daughter tracked back. Clarified that I never said I hated marathi people, but that she picked up on my reaction to it when she was younger. So that got me thinking and I told XH too. That when we were separating and all (for that matter before that too), and his dad was at his peak about hating on me, i would be hearing marathi all day when they talked among themselves, or marathi-hindi accent. So after that period, for a few years, whenever I heard marathi being spoken anywhere, it would be traumatizing for me and I would naturally shrink away, or shut myself out of it. I wasn't exactly vocal about it, but amazing how daughter picked up on it.

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Post by ashdoc on Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:01 am

about kashibai , first wife of the peshwa---

http://www.indiatimes.com/entertainment/11-things-that-made-kashibai-an-intriguing-character-in-bajirao-s-life-249116.html

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brie wrote:
what made bajirao mastani tolerable for me was 

- baji rao's character depiction -- reticent, logical to the point of being brusque, unemotional and duty bound. 
- the slight marathi-hindi accent all actors adopted. it was sexy. i want to speak hindi that way.

NIGAH.

XH loved the movie. daughter didn't like it much, except for mastani's role. I haven't seen it yet. She was also amazed how they managed to make Priyanka Chopra look so marathi. Daughter has typical marathi features herself. 

So a convo the other day. Daughter accused XH that he liked the movie only coz it had marathi characters. And said something like - oh i hate being marathi. it's all mommy's fault as she hated them. So now I am on the defensive saying I don't hate marathi people, and XH sulking how i do. Then daughter tracked back. Clarified that I never said I hated marathi people, but that she picked up on my reaction to it when she was younger. So that got me thinking and I told XH too. That when we were separating and all (for that matter before that too), and his dad was at his peak about hating on me, i would be hearing marathi all day when they talked among themselves, or marathi-hindi accent. So after that period, for a few years, whenever I heard marathi being spoken anywhere, it would be traumatizing for me and I would naturally shrink away, or shut myself out of it. I wasn't exactly vocal about it, but amazing how daughter picked up on it.

LOL. yes, it's amazing how ranbir and priyanka spoke with marathi-hindi accent... it gave a tadka to the flick. 
ashdoc wrote:about kashibai , first wife of the peshwa---

http://www.indiatimes.com/entertainment/11-things-that-made-kashibai-an-intriguing-character-in-bajirao-s-life-249116.html
thanks! this was an interesting read, esp. that she raised shamsher as a foster child after mastani's death. i like this peshwani (peswhwaii?).


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Post by ashdoc on Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:37 am

brie wrote:
Beatrix Kiddo wrote:
brie wrote:
what made bajirao mastani tolerable for me was 

- baji rao's character depiction -- reticent, logical to the point of being brusque, unemotional and duty bound. 
- the slight marathi-hindi accent all actors adopted. it was sexy. i want to speak hindi that way.

NIGAH.

XH loved the movie. daughter didn't like it much, except for mastani's role. I haven't seen it yet. She was also amazed how they managed to make Priyanka Chopra look so marathi. Daughter has typical marathi features herself. 

So a convo the other day. Daughter accused XH that he liked the movie only coz it had marathi characters. And said something like - oh i hate being marathi. it's all mommy's fault as she hated them. So now I am on the defensive saying I don't hate marathi people, and XH sulking how i do. Then daughter tracked back. Clarified that I never said I hated marathi people, but that she picked up on my reaction to it when she was younger. So that got me thinking and I told XH too. That when we were separating and all (for that matter before that too), and his dad was at his peak about hating on me, i would be hearing marathi all day when they talked among themselves, or marathi-hindi accent. So after that period, for a few years, whenever I heard marathi being spoken anywhere, it would be traumatizing for me and I would naturally shrink away, or shut myself out of it. I wasn't exactly vocal about it, but amazing how daughter picked up on it.

LOL. yes, it's amazing how ranbir and priyanka spoke with marathi-hindi accent... it gave a tadka to the flick. 
ashdoc wrote:about kashibai , first wife of the peshwa---

http://www.indiatimes.com/entertainment/11-things-that-made-kashibai-an-intriguing-character-in-bajirao-s-life-249116.html
thanks! this was an interesting read, esp. that she raised shamsher as a foster child after mastani's death. i like this peshwani (peswhwaii?).

bajirao's brother chimaji appa ( shown in the movie ) also died a few months after bajirao's death  . so it was upto kashibai to raise his children as well . actually it was her son ( nanasaheb ) and chimaji appa who were responsible for mastan'is confinement . now to raise shamsher bahadur ( who had to be raised as a muslim ) along with the same brahmin boys ( nanasaheb and chimaji appa's son sadashiv ) who had been taught to detest his mother was task in itself . kashibai made them forget their hatred for shamsher's mother and gradually they accepted shamsher as their brother and one of their household . 

shamsher fought along with the marathas against the afghans in the battle of panipat . and he was so heartbroken by the slaughter of the marathas that he died due to heart attack after escaping from the battlefield . his son ali bahadur was the spitting image of his grandfather bajirao . as the peshwai began to sink in the early 19th century some people thought of making ali bahadur the peshwa as he was braver than the then peshwa bajirao 2nd . the pune brahmins nixed the plan because ali was muslim , and to make this doubly sure they also destroyed all records of mastani and her descendants . 

at the time of partition mastani's descendants ( nawabs of banda in UP ) refused to support the pakistan movement . from where did all this loyalty to india come inspite of the treatment mastani received from hindus ? maybe the credit goes to kashibai and her acceptance of shamsher bahadur and the care she showered on him....

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ashdoc wrote:
brie wrote:
Beatrix Kiddo wrote:
brie wrote:
what made bajirao mastani tolerable for me was 

- baji rao's character depiction -- reticent, logical to the point of being brusque, unemotional and duty bound. 
- the slight marathi-hindi accent all actors adopted. it was sexy. i want to speak hindi that way.

NIGAH.

XH loved the movie. daughter didn't like it much, except for mastani's role. I haven't seen it yet. She was also amazed how they managed to make Priyanka Chopra look so marathi. Daughter has typical marathi features herself. 

So a convo the other day. Daughter accused XH that he liked the movie only coz it had marathi characters. And said something like - oh i hate being marathi. it's all mommy's fault as she hated them. So now I am on the defensive saying I don't hate marathi people, and XH sulking how i do. Then daughter tracked back. Clarified that I never said I hated marathi people, but that she picked up on my reaction to it when she was younger. So that got me thinking and I told XH too. That when we were separating and all (for that matter before that too), and his dad was at his peak about hating on me, i would be hearing marathi all day when they talked among themselves, or marathi-hindi accent. So after that period, for a few years, whenever I heard marathi being spoken anywhere, it would be traumatizing for me and I would naturally shrink away, or shut myself out of it. I wasn't exactly vocal about it, but amazing how daughter picked up on it.

LOL. yes, it's amazing how ranbir and priyanka spoke with marathi-hindi accent... it gave a tadka to the flick. 
ashdoc wrote:about kashibai , first wife of the peshwa---

http://www.indiatimes.com/entertainment/11-things-that-made-kashibai-an-intriguing-character-in-bajirao-s-life-249116.html
thanks! this was an interesting read, esp. that she raised shamsher as a foster child after mastani's death. i like this peshwani (peswhwaii?).

bajirao's brother chimaji appa ( shown in the movie ) also died a few months after bajirao's death  . so it was upto kashibai to raise his children as well . actually it was her son ( nanasaheb ) and chimaji appa who were responsible for mastan'is confinement . now to raise shamsher bahadur ( who had to be raised as a muslim ) along with the same brahmin boys ( nanasaheb and chimaji appa's son sadashiv ) who had been taught to detest his mother was task in itself . kashibai made them forget their hatred for shamsher's mother and gradually they accepted shamsher as their brother and one of their household . 

shamsher fought along with the marathas against the afghans in the battle of panipat . and he was so heartbroken by the slaughter of the marathas that he died due to heart attack after escaping from the battlefield . his son ali bahadur was the spitting image of his grandfather bajirao . as the peshwai began to sink in the early 19th century some people thought of making ali bahadur the peshwa as he was braver than the then peshwa bajirao 2nd . the pune brahmins nixed the plan because ali was muslim , and to make this doubly sure they also destroyed all records of mastani and her descendants . 

at the time of partition mastani's descendants ( nawabs of banda in UP ) refused to support the pakistan movement . from where did all this loyalty to india come inspite of the treatment mastani received from hindus ? maybe the credit goes to kashibai and her acceptance of shamsher bahadur and the care she showered on him....
very interesting. kashibai deserves respect. in the movie she was shown as the kinder soul compared to the shrew mil.

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