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Post by Rashmun on Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:26 pm

These are Lord Rama's words in the Valmiki Ramayana:

The hour is come, a time, unmeet
For silken couch and gilded seat.
I must to lonely wilds repair,
Abstain from flesh, and living there
On roots, fruit, honey, hermit's food,
Pass twice seven years in solitude.
To Bharat's hand the king will yield
The regent power I thought to wield,
And me, a hermit, will he send
My days in Dandak wood to spend.


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Post by Rashmun on Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:33 pm

The following words are put in the mouth of the dying Vali after he has been shot by Lord Rama with an arrow; Vali is addressing Rama here:

These five-toed things a man may slay
And feed upon the fallen prey;
The mailed rhinoceros may die,
And, with the hare his food supply.
Iguanas he may kill and eat,
With porcupine and tortoise meat.


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Post by ashdoc on Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:44 am

Only meat eaters have the strength to kill demons like ravan . all Hindus need to embibe this . Jai shri ram .

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Post by Rashmun on Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:18 am

ashdoc wrote:Only meat eaters have the strength to kill demons like ravan . all Hindus need to embibe this . Jai shri ram .

should hindus start eating beef also? after all, beef eating is referred to in the Upanisads and the Upanisadic sage Yajnavalkya says he enjoys eating beef.

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Post by ashdoc on Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:25 am

Rashmun wrote:
ashdoc wrote:Only meat eaters have the strength to kill demons like ravan . all Hindus need to embibe this . Jai shri ram .

should hindus start eating beef also? after all, beef eating is referred to in the Upanisads and the Upanisadic sage Yajnavalkya says he enjoys eating beef.
no , for the past few centuries beef eating has been frowned upon by hindu sages .

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Post by Rashmun on Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:31 am

ashdoc wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
ashdoc wrote:Only meat eaters have the strength to kill demons like ravan . all Hindus need to embibe this . Jai shri ram .

should hindus start eating beef also? after all, beef eating is referred to in the Upanisads and the Upanisadic sage Yajnavalkya says he enjoys eating beef.
no , for the past few centuries beef eating has been frowned upon by hindu sages .

doesn't matter if in the past few centuries, hindu sages have thought differently. only the Vedas and Upanisads have the authority of sruti in hinduism. opinion of more modern hindu sages (of the past few centuries) can have at most the authority of smriti. and if there is a conflict between sruti and smriti, then according to Hinduism sruti prevails.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:01 pm

Rashmun wrote:
ashdoc wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
ashdoc wrote:Only meat eaters have the strength to kill demons like ravan . all Hindus need to embibe this . Jai shri ram .

should hindus start eating beef also? after all, beef eating is referred to in the Upanisads and the Upanisadic sage Yajnavalkya says he enjoys eating beef.
no , for the past few centuries beef eating has been frowned upon by hindu sages .

doesn't matter if in the past few centuries, hindu sages have thought differently. only the Vedas and Upanisads have the authority of sruti in hinduism. opinion of more modern hindu sages (of the past few centuries) can have at most the authority of smriti. and if there is a conflict between sruti and smriti, then according to Hinduism sruti prevails.
Your above citation (as "sacred-texts") in not a genuine Valmiki Ramayana reference.
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Post by Rashmun on Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:28 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
ashdoc wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
ashdoc wrote:Only meat eaters have the strength to kill demons like ravan . all Hindus need to embibe this . Jai shri ram .

should hindus start eating beef also? after all, beef eating is referred to in the Upanisads and the Upanisadic sage Yajnavalkya says he enjoys eating beef.
no , for the past few centuries beef eating has been frowned upon by hindu sages .

doesn't matter if in the past few centuries, hindu sages have thought differently. only the Vedas and Upanisads have the authority of sruti in hinduism. opinion of more modern hindu sages (of the past few centuries) can have at most the authority of smriti. and if there is a conflict between sruti and smriti, then according to Hinduism sruti prevails.
Your above citation (as "sacred-texts") in not a genuine Valmiki Ramayana reference.

Are you suggesting that Lord Rama, despite being a Kshatriya, was a vegetarian?

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:40 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
ashdoc wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

should hindus start eating beef also? after all, beef eating is referred to in the Upanisads and the Upanisadic sage Yajnavalkya says he enjoys eating beef.
no , for the past few centuries beef eating has been frowned upon by hindu sages .

doesn't matter if in the past few centuries, hindu sages have thought differently. only the Vedas and Upanisads have the authority of sruti in hinduism. opinion of more modern hindu sages (of the past few centuries) can have at most the authority of smriti. and if there is a conflict between sruti and smriti, then according to Hinduism sruti prevails.
Your above citation (as "sacred-texts") in not a genuine Valmiki Ramayana reference.

Are you suggesting that Lord Rama, despite being a Kshatriya, was a vegetarian?
Vegetarian or non-vegetarian related to Rama is not even an issue in the Valmiki Ramayana.
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Post by Rashmun on Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:45 pm

Neither of the two great Hindu epics, the Ramayana and the Mahabharata teach vegetarianism and both often refer to eating meat as if it were normal and uncontroversial, as indeed it was. In his detailed study of everyday life as depicted in the Ramayana Ananda Guruge writes, “The Aryans of ancient India were not altogether vegetarians. Their diet was a mixed one; they ate fish as was offered to Bharata and his party by Guha. Meat too was consumed quite widely. Not only did Rama say that animals are killed by men for their flesh but he also killed many animals – deer, wild boar, antelope, etc., – for food during his sojourn in the forest. Meat was eaten with relish and a verse which describes a meal of Rama and Sita states, ‘He sat on a rock tempting Sita with meat (saying) this is pure, this is tasty and this is well cooked by fire.’ In Bharadvaja’s hermitage Bharata’s army was supplied with venison, mutton, pork and flesh of the peacock and the snipe Likewise, Kumbhakarna consumed large quantities of venison, beef and pork and drank blood. Although the Vanaras are generally depicted as vegetarians, the Brahmans were actually not. The concept that ‘a purely vegetarian diet is an indication of spiritual progress and an advanced culture’ is a later development in India. Even ascetic Brahmans were not strict vegetarians. Although their usual fare consisted of vegetables, they did not abstain from meat-eating as a principle of either religious or social significance. In fact, Agastya is represented as eating rams and he says, ‘I am able to eat comfortably even one whole ram at a Sraddha ceremony.’ There seems to have been no ban on meat-eating by Brahmans even at the time of Bhavabhuti for his Uttararamacarita depicts Vasistha as eating a tawny calf Further, Valin’s statement specifically mentions the animals whose flesh could be eaten by Brahmans. (The Society of the Ramayana, 1960, p. 147-8.)

In the chapter on food the Sushruta Samhita (1st– 4th cent CE) recommends all kinds of fish, bird and animal flesh showing that meat eating was commonplace during that period. This and a great deal of other evidence shows that like Buddhists, Hindus were for centuries in two minds about vegetarianism. It was only after the 9th, 10th and 11th centuries that vegetarianism started to become widespread in India.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:48 am

Rashmun wrote:Neither of the two great Hindu epics, the Ramayana and the Mahabharata teach vegetarianism and both often refer to eating meat as if it were normal and uncontroversial, as indeed it was. In his detailed study of everyday life as depicted in the Ramayana Ananda Guruge writes, “The Aryans of ancient India were not altogether vegetarians. Their diet was a mixed one; they ate fish as was offered to Bharata and his party by Guha. Meat too was consumed quite widely. Not only did Rama say that animals are killed by men for their flesh but he also killed many animals – deer, wild boar, antelope, etc., – for food during his sojourn in the forest. Meat was eaten with relish and a verse which describes a meal of Rama and Sita states, ‘He sat on a rock tempting Sita with meat (saying) this is pure, this is tasty and this is well cooked by fire.’ In Bharadvaja’s hermitage Bharata’s army was supplied with venison, mutton, pork and flesh of the peacock and the snipe Likewise, Kumbhakarna consumed large quantities of venison, beef and pork and drank blood. Although the Vanaras are generally depicted as vegetarians, the Brahmans were actually not. The concept that ‘a purely vegetarian diet is an indication of spiritual progress and an advanced culture’ is a later development in India. Even ascetic Brahmans were not strict vegetarians. Although their usual fare consisted of vegetables, they did not abstain from meat-eating as a principle of either religious or social significance. In fact, Agastya is represented as eating rams and he says, ‘I am able to eat comfortably even one whole ram at a Sraddha ceremony.’ There seems to have been no ban on meat-eating by Brahmans even at the time of Bhavabhuti for his Uttararamacarita depicts Vasistha as eating a tawny calf Further, Valin’s statement specifically mentions the animals whose flesh could be eaten by Brahmans. (The Society of the Ramayana, 1960, p. 147-8.)

In the chapter on food the Sushruta Samhita (1st– 4th cent CE) recommends all kinds of fish, bird and animal flesh showing that meat eating was commonplace during that period. This and a great deal of other evidence shows that like Buddhists, Hindus were for centuries in two minds about vegetarianism. It was only after the 9th, 10th and 11th centuries that vegetarianism started to become widespread in India.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:08 am

how did he like it cooked? medium rare? and did he order fries and diet coke with that? curious minds want to know.
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Post by Rashmun on Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:27 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how did he like it cooked? medium rare? and did he order fries and diet coke with that? curious minds want to know.

Lord Rama believed in culinary synthesis: he liked eating meat with honey. As the Valmiki Ramayana says:

By brotherly affection led,
Sumitrá's son to meet them sped,
And showed the labours of the day
Done while his brother was away.
There lay ten black-deer duly slain
With arrows pure of poison stain,
Piled in a mighty heap to dry,
With many another carcass nigh.

And Lakshman's brother saw, o'erjoyed,
The work that had his hands employed,
Then to his consort thus he cried:
'Now be the general gifts supplied.'


Then Sítá, fairest beauty, placed
The food for living things to taste,
And set before the brothers meat
And honey that the pair might eat.
They ate the meal her hands supplied,
Their lips with water purified:
Then Janak's daughter sat at last
And duly made her own repast.
The other venison, to be dried,
Piled up in heaps was set aside,
And Ráma told his wife to stay
And drive the flocking crows away.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rama/ry174.htm

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:58 am

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how did he like it cooked? medium rare? and did he order fries and diet coke with that? curious minds want to know.

Lord Rama believed in culinary synthesis: he liked eating meat with honey. As the Valmiki Ramayana says:

By brotherly affection led,
Sumitrá's son to meet them sped,
And showed the labours of the day
Done while his brother was away.
There lay ten black-deer duly slain
With arrows pure of poison stain,
Piled in a mighty heap to dry,
With many another carcass nigh.

And Lakshman's brother saw, o'erjoyed,
The work that had his hands employed,
Then to his consort thus he cried:
'Now be the general gifts supplied.'


Then Sítá, fairest beauty, placed
The food for living things to taste,
And set before the brothers meat
And honey that the pair might eat.
They ate the meal her hands supplied,
Their lips with water purified:
Then Janak's daughter sat at last
And duly made her own repast.
The other venison, to be dried,
Piled up in heaps was set aside,
And Ráma told his wife to stay
And drive the flocking crows away.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rama/ry174.htm
Instead of the above B.S. from "sacred-texts", cite the proper kanda (chapter), sarga (sub-chapter) and shloka (verse number) in the Valmiki Ramayana.
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Post by garam_kuta on Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:07 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how did he like it cooked? medium rare? and did he order fries and diet coke with that? curious minds want to know.

Lord Rama believed in culinary synthesis: he liked eating meat with honey. As the Valmiki Ramayana says:

By brotherly affection led,
Sumitrá's son to meet them sped,
And showed the labours of the day
Done while his brother was away.
There lay ten black-deer duly slain
With arrows pure of poison stain,
Piled in a mighty heap to dry,
With many another carcass nigh.

And Lakshman's brother saw, o'erjoyed,
The work that had his hands employed,
Then to his consort thus he cried:
'Now be the general gifts supplied.'


Then Sítá, fairest beauty, placed
The food for living things to taste,
And set before the brothers meat
And honey that the pair might eat.
They ate the meal her hands supplied,
Their lips with water purified:
Then Janak's daughter sat at last
And duly made her own repast.
The other venison, to be dried,
Piled up in heaps was set aside,
And Ráma told his wife to stay
And drive the flocking crows away.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rama/ry174.htm
Instead of the above B.S. from "sacred-texts", cite the proper kanda (chapter), sarga (sub-chapter) and shloka (verse number) in the Valmiki Ramayana.

how dare you question "the raff-ree"? Razz

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Post by Rashmun on Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:19 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how did he like it cooked? medium rare? and did he order fries and diet coke with that? curious minds want to know.

Lord Rama believed in culinary synthesis: he liked eating meat with honey. As the Valmiki Ramayana says:

By brotherly affection led,
Sumitrá's son to meet them sped,
And showed the labours of the day
Done while his brother was away.
There lay ten black-deer duly slain
With arrows pure of poison stain,
Piled in a mighty heap to dry,
With many another carcass nigh.

And Lakshman's brother saw, o'erjoyed,
The work that had his hands employed,
Then to his consort thus he cried:
'Now be the general gifts supplied.'


Then Sítá, fairest beauty, placed
The food for living things to taste,
And set before the brothers meat
And honey that the pair might eat.
They ate the meal her hands supplied,
Their lips with water purified:
Then Janak's daughter sat at last
And duly made her own repast.
The other venison, to be dried,
Piled up in heaps was set aside,
And Ráma told his wife to stay
And drive the flocking crows away.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rama/ry174.htm
Instead of the above B.S. from "sacred-texts", cite the proper kanda (chapter), sarga (sub-chapter) and shloka (verse number) in the Valmiki Ramayana.

https://perichandra.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/meat-eating-in-valmiki-ramayana/

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:26 pm

garam_kuta wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how did he like it cooked? medium rare? and did he order fries and diet coke with that? curious minds want to know.

Lord Rama believed in culinary synthesis: he liked eating meat with honey. As the Valmiki Ramayana says:

By brotherly affection led,
Sumitrá's son to meet them sped,
And showed the labours of the day
Done while his brother was away.
There lay ten black-deer duly slain
With arrows pure of poison stain,
Piled in a mighty heap to dry,
With many another carcass nigh.

And Lakshman's brother saw, o'erjoyed,
The work that had his hands employed,
Then to his consort thus he cried:
'Now be the general gifts supplied.'


Then Sítá, fairest beauty, placed
The food for living things to taste,
And set before the brothers meat
And honey that the pair might eat.
They ate the meal her hands supplied,
Their lips with water purified:
Then Janak's daughter sat at last
And duly made her own repast.
The other venison, to be dried,
Piled up in heaps was set aside,
And Ráma told his wife to stay
And drive the flocking crows away.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rama/ry174.htm
Instead of the above B.S. from "sacred-texts", cite the proper kanda (chapter), sarga (sub-chapter) and shloka (verse number) in the Valmiki Ramayana.

how dare you question "the raff-ree"? Razz
Yeah, Rama liked wild boar meat, Seetha liked deer, Lakshmana liked turtle soup and Kausalya enjoyed lamb.

If you disagree with the above, goolge and you will find a pieceful daadiwallah or a bigoted gownwallah quoting some "sacred text" to back his motivated tirade against Hinduism. Aurangajeb worshipped kafir lingams. If Hindus don't eat beef and embrace H-M synthesis, India will be doomed. Jalaluddin was extremely gentle towards Hindus and Babur got so excited when he saw Hindus that he jerked off in the lanes after seeing kafirs. Humayun was a great scholar of kamasutra and that was why he fell off a building. Gaud is great.

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Post by southindian on Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:23 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how did he like it cooked? medium rare? and did he order fries and diet coke with that? curious minds want to know.

Lord Rama believed in culinary synthesis: he liked eating meat with honey. As the Valmiki Ramayana says:

By brotherly affection led,
Sumitrá's son to meet them sped,
And showed the labours of the day
Done while his brother was away.
There lay ten black-deer duly slain
With arrows pure of poison stain,
Piled in a mighty heap to dry,
With many another carcass nigh.

And Lakshman's brother saw, o'erjoyed,
The work that had his hands employed,
Then to his consort thus he cried:
'Now be the general gifts supplied.'


Then Sítá, fairest beauty, placed
The food for living things to taste,
And set before the brothers meat
And honey that the pair might eat.
They ate the meal her hands supplied,
Their lips with water purified:
Then Janak's daughter sat at last
And duly made her own repast.
The other venison, to be dried,
Piled up in heaps was set aside,
And Ráma told his wife to stay
And drive the flocking crows away.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rama/ry174.htm
Instead of the above B.S. from "sacred-texts", cite the proper kanda (chapter), sarga (sub-chapter) and shloka (verse number) in the Valmiki Ramayana.

how dare you question "the raff-ree"? Razz
Yeah, Rama liked wild boar meat, Seetha liked deer, Lakshmana liked turtle soup and Kausalya enjoyed lamb.

If you disagree with the above, goolge and you will find a pieceful daadiwallah or a bigoted gownwallah quoting some "sacred text" to back his motivated tirade against Hinduism. Aurangajeb worshipped kafir lingams. If Hindus don't eat beef and embrace H-M synthesis, India will be doomed. Jalaluddin was extremely gentle towards Hindus and Babur got so excited when he saw Hindus that he jerked off in the lanes after seeing kafirs. Humayun was a great scholar of kamasutra and that was why he fell off a building. Gaud is great.
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Post by Rashmun on Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:15 pm

[Among the early Aryans], animal sacrifices were very common… Indra had a special liking for bulls… Maruts and the asvins were offered cows… The Taittiriya Brahmana categorically tells us: Verily the cow is food (atho annam vai gauh) and Yajnavalkya’s insistence on eating the tender (amsala) flesh of the cow is well known.
…[Grhyasutras and Dharmasutras] provide ample evidence of the eating of flesh including beef… The ceremonial welcome of guests (sometimes known as arghya but generally as madhuparka) consisted… of the flesh of a cow or bull… [At] the sacred thread ceremony… it was necessary for a snataka to wear an upper garment of cowhide.
…Cattle were killed for food during the Mauryan period as is evident from the Arthasastra of Kautilya and Asoka’s own list of animals exempt from slaughter, which, significantly, does not include the cow…
…The Mahabharata makes a laudatory reference to the king Rantideva in whose kitchen two thousand cows were butchered each day… The Ramayana of Valmiki makes frequent references to the killing of animals including the cow for sacrifice and for food…
…Caraka, Susruta and Vagbhata… speak of the therapeutic uses of beef.


http://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-holiness-of-the-cow-and-controversy-over-beef-eating-in-ancient-india/

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Post by Rashmun on Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:18 pm

A survey of ancient Indian scriptures, especially the Vedas, shows that amongst the nomadic, pastoral Aryans who settled here, animal sacrifice was a dominant feature till the emergence of settled agriculture. Cattle were the major property during this phase and they offered the same to propitiate the gods. Wealth was equated with the ownership of the cattle.

Many gods such as Indra and Agni are described as having special preferences for different types of flesh - Indra had weakness for bull's meat and Agni for bull's and cow's. It is recorded that the Maruts and the Asvins were also offered cows. In the Vedas there is a mention of around 250 animals out of which at least 50 were supposed to be fit for sacrifice and consumption. In the Mahabharata there is a mention of a king named Rantideva who achieved great fame by distributing foodgrains and beef to Brahmins. Taittiriya Brahman categorically tells us: `Verily the cow is food' (atho annam via gauh) and Yajnavalkya's insistence on eating the tender (amsala) flesh of the cow is well known. Even later Brahminical texts provide the evidence for eating beef. Even Manusmriti did not prohibit the consumption of beef.

In therapeutic section of Charak Samhita (pages 86-87) the flesh of cow is prescribed as a medicine for various diseases. It is also prescribed for making soup. It is emphatically advised as a cure for irregular fever, consumption, and emaciation. The fat of the cow is recommended for debility and rheumatism....

Despite the gradual rigidification of Brahminical `cow as mother' stance, large sections of low castes continued the practice of beef eating. The followers of Buddhism continued to eat flesh including beef. Since Brahminism is the dominant religious tradition, Babur, the first Mughal emperor, in his will to his son Humayun, in deference to these notions, advised him to respect the cow and avoid cow slaughter. With the construction of Hindutva ideology and politics, in response to the rising Indian national movement, the demand for ban on cow slaughter also came up. In post-Independence India RSS repeatedly raised this issue to build up a mass campaign but without any response to its call till the 1980s.


http://www.thehindu.com/2001/08/14/stories/13140833.htm

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Post by Rashmun on Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:28 pm

Meat eating has been described in several places in the epic Ramayana. In many instances it involved sacrificing cows and eating it.

Having arrived at the middle of Yamuna river, Sita offered salutation to the river and prayed as follows:

“Oh, goddess of Yamuna! Adieu! I am crossing you! May my husband complete his vow! When Rama safely comes back again towards the city of Ayodhya, ruled by Ikshvaku kings I shall propitiate you by offering a thousand cows and a hundred drinking vessels.” [Ramayana 2-55 19/20]

Was this offering of cows to river Yamuna meant sacrificing it ? See what Sita offered to river Ganga few verses before.

“Oh, goddess! After reaching back the city of Ayodhya, I shall worship you with thousand pots of spirituous liquor and jellied meat with cooked rice well prepared for the solemn rite.” [Ramayana 2-52-89]


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Unless you can cite the exact verse number and chapter number from the original Ramayana (by Valmiki) and the original Mahabharata (by Vyasa) on meat / beef eating, you are wasting your time by making these posts based on secondary sources.
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Post by Rashmun on Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:38 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Unless you can cite the exact verse number and chapter number from the original Ramayana (by Valmiki) and the original Mahabharata (by Vyasa) on meat / beef eating, you are wasting your time by making these posts based on secondary sources.

There are a significant number of passages in Valmiki Ramayana where the principal characters used meat in their religious rites and daily diet. Here are some of the passages with original quotes. It was meat that would not be acceptable today to a typical Hindu. It included wild boar (wild pig) and reptile meat (mangoose or varamus)!

Please note that the Tamil poet Kamban (around 11th century CE) completely sanitizes his Ramayana from meat diet for these characters. So much so that  the first thing Rama utters when he scolds Sita after defeating Ravana is “ஊன் திறம் உவந்தனை” (“you enjoyed meat eating”)  and scolds her again a few verses later as having eaten the bright flesh of beings.  Shows how much values had changed in the intervening thousand years and caused imbalance in the value system resulting in the loss of priorities.

Onto the Valmiki passages:

Sita promising Ganga meat-rice  on safe return:
From Ayodhya Kandam:52: As Sita crosses Ganga she promises to Ganga what she will offer on safe return: “thousand pots of spirituous liquor and jellied meat with cooked rice (basically briyani)”

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga52/ayodhya_52_frame.htm

suraaghaTasahasreNa maamsabhuutodanena cha |
yakshye tvaam prayataa devi puriim punarupaagataa || 2-52-89

89. devii= “Oh, goddess! Upaagata= After reaching; puriim= the city (Ayodhya); punaH= again; yakshhye= I shall worship (you); suraaghata sahasreNa= with thousand pots of spirituous liquor; maamsa bhuutodanena cha = and jellied meat with cooked rice; prayataa= well-prepared for the solemn rite.”

“Oh, goddess! After reaching back the city of Ayodhya, I shall worship you with thousand pots of spirituous liquor and jellied meat with cooked rice well prepared for the solemn rite.”

Lakshmana and Rama hunting deer and wild boar (wild pig):
Then on reaching the other shore Rama and Lakshmana hunt four types of animals including wild boar, antelope, spotted antelope and another species of antelope and take their flesh and hurry in hunger to a tree as it was getting dark. Also makes one wonder how much meat they ate in one go as it is too much for three adults even for warriors.
This is the last sloka in the same chapter as above:

tau tatra hatvaa caturaH mahaa mR^igaan |
varaaham R^ishyam pR^iSatam mahaa rurum |
aadaaya medhyam tvaritam bubhukSitau|
vaasaaya kaale yayatur vanaH patim || 2-52-102

102. hatvaa= having killed; tatra= there; chaturaH= four; mR^igaan= deer (namely); varaaham= Varaaha; R^ishyam= Risya; pR^ishhatam= PR^isata; mahaaruru= (and) Mahaaruru; (the four principal species of deer); aadayaa= and taking; tvaritam= quickly; medhyam= the portions that were pure; tou= Rama and Lakshmana; bubhukshhitou= being hungry as they were; yayatuH= reached; vanaspatim= a tree; vaasayaa= to take rest; kaale= in the evening.

Having hunted there four deer, namely Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata; and Mahaaruru (the four principal species of deer) and taking quickly the portions that were pure, being hungry as they were, Rama and Lakshmana reached a tree to take rest in the evening.

Sita telling Ravana in the disguise of a Brahmin that Rama will bring back deer, reptiles and wild boar for meal:
From Aranya Kandam: The different types of meat Sita offers to the Brahmin guest (in which disguise Ravana is) once Rama brings them from his hunt. Note Deer, Wild Boar and a reptile (உடும்பு?) are offered.

samaashvasa muhuurtam tu shakyam vastum iha tvayaa || 3-47-22
aagamiSyati me bhartaa vanyam aadaaya puSkalam |
ruruun godhaan varaahaan ca hatvaa aadaaya amiSaan bahu || 3-47-23

22b, 23. muhuurtam samaashvasa= for a moment, be comfortable; tvayaa iha vastum shakyam= by you, here, to take rest, possible; me bhartaa= my, husband; ruruun= stag with black stripes; godhaan= mongooses like [civet-like mammals of the family Viverridae, esp. of the genus Herpestes, Marathi manguus]; varaahaan ca= wild-boars, also; hatvaa= on killing; bahu amiSaan aadaaya= aplenty, meat, on taking; puSkalam vanyam aadaaya= plentiful, forest produce, on taking; aagamiSyati= will be coming [soon.]

“Be comfortable for a moment, here it is possible for you to make a sojourn, and soon my husband will be coming on taking plentiful forest produce, and on killing stags, mongooses, wild boars he fetches meat, aplenty. [3-47-22b, 23]

Ravana was in the guise of a Brahmin (dvija):
saH tvam naama ca gotram ca kulam aacakSva tattvataH |
ekaH ca daNDakaaraNye kim artham carasi dvija || 3-47-24

24. dvija= oh, Brahman; saH tvam= such as you are; naama ca gotram ca kulam ca= name, also, parentage, also, caste, also; tattvataH aacakSva= in actuality, make mention of; ekaH ca= lonesomely, also; daNDaka araNye in Dandaka, forest; kim artham carasi for what, reason, you wander.

“Such as you are, oh, Brahman, you may make mention of your name, parentage and caste, in their actuality. For what reason you are wandering in Dandaka forest lonesomely?”  Thus Seetha questioned Ravana. [3-47-24]

So the upshot of all this is that having forgotten all this modern Hindus overreact to people from other religions eating pig meat or reptile meat as if they were strange animals or demons and bias their interreligious attitudes in a very negative way. We have seen that even Brahmins of Valmiki’s days (about 2000 years ago) took it normally and so modern association of vegetarianism with Brahmins  is much later.

For a solid book on how meat eating including beef eating thrived in Vedic period and continued much later see D.N. Jha’s “The Myth of the Holy Cow” which was originally banned by the BJP administration.

https://perichandra.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/meat-eating-in-valmiki-ramayana/

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:42 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:Unless you can cite the exact verse number and chapter number from the original Ramayana (by Valmiki) and the original Mahabharata (by Vyasa) on meat / beef eating, you are wasting your time by making these posts based on secondary sources.

There are a significant number of passages in Valmiki Ramayana where the principal characters used meat in their religious rites and daily diet. Here are some of the passages with original quotes. It was meat that would not be acceptable today to a typical Hindu. It included wild boar (wild pig) and reptile meat (mangoose or varamus)!

Please note that the Tamil poet Kamban (around 11th century CE) completely sanitizes his Ramayana from meat diet for these characters. So much so that  the first thing Rama utters when he scolds Sita after defeating Ravana is “ஊன் திறம் உவந்தனை” (“you enjoyed meat eating”)  and scolds her again a few verses later as having eaten the bright flesh of beings.  Shows how much values had changed in the intervening thousand years and caused imbalance in the value system resulting in the loss of priorities.

Onto the Valmiki passages:

Sita promising Ganga meat-rice  on safe return:
From Ayodhya Kandam:52: As Sita crosses Ganga she promises to Ganga what she will offer on safe return: “thousand pots of spirituous liquor and jellied meat with cooked rice (basically briyani)”

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga52/ayodhya_52_frame.htm

suraaghaTasahasreNa maamsabhuutodanena cha |
yakshye tvaam prayataa devi puriim punarupaagataa || 2-52-89

89. devii= “Oh, goddess! Upaagata= After reaching; puriim= the city (Ayodhya); punaH= again; yakshhye= I shall worship (you); suraaghata sahasreNa= with thousand pots of spirituous liquor; maamsa bhuutodanena cha = and jellied meat with cooked rice; prayataa= well-prepared for the solemn rite.”

“Oh, goddess! After reaching back the city of Ayodhya, I shall worship you with thousand pots of spirituous liquor and jellied meat with cooked rice well prepared for the solemn rite.”

Lakshmana and Rama hunting deer and wild boar (wild pig):
Then on reaching the other shore Rama and Lakshmana hunt four types of animals including wild boar, antelope, spotted antelope and another species of antelope and take their flesh and hurry in hunger to a tree as it was getting dark. Also makes one wonder how much meat they ate in one go as it is too much for three adults even for warriors.
This is the last sloka in the same chapter as above:

tau tatra hatvaa caturaH mahaa mR^igaan |
varaaham R^ishyam pR^iSatam mahaa rurum |
aadaaya medhyam tvaritam bubhukSitau|
vaasaaya kaale yayatur vanaH patim || 2-52-102

102. hatvaa= having killed; tatra= there; chaturaH= four; mR^igaan= deer (namely); varaaham= Varaaha; R^ishyam= Risya; pR^ishhatam= PR^isata; mahaaruru= (and) Mahaaruru; (the four principal species of deer); aadayaa= and taking; tvaritam= quickly; medhyam= the portions that were pure; tou= Rama and Lakshmana; bubhukshhitou= being hungry as they were; yayatuH= reached; vanaspatim= a tree; vaasayaa= to take rest; kaale= in the evening.

Having hunted there four deer, namely Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata; and Mahaaruru (the four principal species of deer) and taking quickly the portions that were pure, being hungry as they were, Rama and Lakshmana reached a tree to take rest in the evening.

Sita telling Ravana in the disguise of a Brahmin that Rama will bring back deer, reptiles and wild boar for meal:
From Aranya Kandam: The different types of meat Sita offers to the Brahmin guest (in which disguise Ravana is) once Rama brings them from his hunt. Note Deer, Wild Boar and a reptile (உடும்பு?) are offered.

samaashvasa muhuurtam tu shakyam vastum iha tvayaa || 3-47-22
aagamiSyati me bhartaa vanyam aadaaya puSkalam |
ruruun godhaan varaahaan ca hatvaa aadaaya amiSaan bahu || 3-47-23

22b, 23. muhuurtam samaashvasa= for a moment, be comfortable; tvayaa iha vastum shakyam= by you, here, to take rest, possible; me bhartaa= my, husband; ruruun= stag with black stripes; godhaan= mongooses like [civet-like mammals of the family Viverridae, esp. of the genus Herpestes, Marathi manguus]; varaahaan ca= wild-boars, also; hatvaa= on killing; bahu amiSaan aadaaya= aplenty, meat, on taking; puSkalam vanyam aadaaya= plentiful, forest produce, on taking; aagamiSyati= will be coming [soon.]

“Be comfortable for a moment, here it is possible for you to make a sojourn, and soon my husband will be coming on taking plentiful forest produce, and on killing stags, mongooses, wild boars he fetches meat, aplenty. [3-47-22b, 23]

Ravana was in the guise of a Brahmin (dvija):
saH tvam naama ca gotram ca kulam aacakSva tattvataH |
ekaH ca daNDakaaraNye kim artham carasi dvija || 3-47-24

24. dvija= oh, Brahman; saH tvam= such as you are; naama ca gotram ca kulam ca= name, also, parentage, also, caste, also; tattvataH aacakSva= in actuality, make mention of; ekaH ca= lonesomely, also; daNDaka araNye in Dandaka, forest; kim artham carasi for what, reason, you wander.

“Such as you are, oh, Brahman, you may make mention of your name, parentage and caste, in their actuality. For what reason you are wandering in Dandaka forest lonesomely?”  Thus Seetha questioned Ravana. [3-47-24]

So the upshot of all this is that having forgotten all this modern Hindus overreact to people from other religions eating pig meat or reptile meat as if they were strange animals or demons and bias their interreligious attitudes in a very negative way. We have seen that even Brahmins of Valmiki’s days (about 2000 years ago) took it normally and so modern association of vegetarianism with Brahmins  is much later.

For a solid book on how meat eating including beef eating thrived in Vedic period and continued much later see D.N. Jha’s “The Myth of the Holy Cow” which was originally banned by the BJP administration.

https://perichandra.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/meat-eating-in-valmiki-ramayana/
where is the evidence supporting your earlier assertion that Rama (in the Valmiki Ramayana) enjoyed eating meat?
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Seva Lamberdar wrote:
where is the evidence supporting your earlier assertion that Rama (in the Valmiki Ramayana) enjoyed eating meat?

taaM tathaa darshayitvaa tu maithiliiM girinimnagaam |
niSasaada giriprasthe siitaaM maaMsena chandayan
|| 2-96-1
1. tathaa= thus; darshayitvaa= having shown; girinimnagaam= the mountaneous river Mandakini; taam siitaam= to that Seetha; maithiliim= the daughter of the king of Mithila; niSasaada= sat; giriprashthe= on the hill side; chhandayan= in order to gratify her appetite; maamsena= with flesh.

Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh.

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idaM medhyamidaM svaadu niSTaptamidamagninaa |
evamaaste sa dharmaatmaa siitayaa saha raaghavaH
|| 2-96-2
2. saH raaghavaH= that Rama; dharmaatmaa= of righteousness; aaste= stayed; siitayaa sha= with Seetha; evam= thus speaking; idam= this meat; madhyam= is fresh; idam= this; niSTaptam= was roasted; agninaa= in the fire.

Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire."

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga96/ayodhya_96_frame.htm

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:03 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
where is the evidence supporting your earlier assertion that Rama (in the Valmiki Ramayana) enjoyed eating meat?

taaM tathaa darshayitvaa tu maithiliiM girinimnagaam |
niSasaada giriprasthe siitaaM maaMsena chandayan
|| 2-96-1
1. tathaa= thus; darshayitvaa= having shown; girinimnagaam= the mountaneous river Mandakini; taam siitaam= to that Seetha; maithiliim= the daughter of the king of Mithila; niSasaada= sat; giriprashthe= on the hill side; chhandayan= in order to gratify her appetite; maamsena= with flesh.

Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh.

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idaM medhyamidaM svaadu niSTaptamidamagninaa |
evamaaste sa dharmaatmaa siitayaa saha raaghavaH
|| 2-96-2
2. saH raaghavaH= that Rama; dharmaatmaa= of righteousness; aaste= stayed; siitayaa sha= with Seetha; evam= thus speaking; idam= this meat; madhyam= is fresh; idam= this; niSTaptam= was roasted; agninaa= in the fire.

Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire."

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga96/ayodhya_96_frame.htm
That's not evidence that Rama (himself) enjoyed eating meat as you have been claiming in the past.
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Post by Rashmun on Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:25 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
where is the evidence supporting your earlier assertion that Rama (in the Valmiki Ramayana) enjoyed eating meat?

taaM tathaa darshayitvaa tu maithiliiM girinimnagaam |
niSasaada giriprasthe siitaaM maaMsena chandayan
|| 2-96-1
1. tathaa= thus; darshayitvaa= having shown; girinimnagaam= the mountaneous river Mandakini; taam siitaam= to that Seetha; maithiliim= the daughter of the king of Mithila; niSasaada= sat; giriprashthe= on the hill side; chhandayan= in order to gratify her appetite; maamsena= with flesh.

Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh.

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idaM medhyamidaM svaadu niSTaptamidamagninaa |
evamaaste sa dharmaatmaa siitayaa saha raaghavaH
|| 2-96-2
2. saH raaghavaH= that Rama; dharmaatmaa= of righteousness; aaste= stayed; siitayaa sha= with Seetha; evam= thus speaking; idam= this meat; madhyam= is fresh; idam= this; niSTaptam= was roasted; agninaa= in the fire.

Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire."

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga96/ayodhya_96_frame.htm
That's not evidence that Rama (himself) enjoyed eating meat as you have been claiming in the past.

Rama tells Seeta that "this meat is fresh, this meat is savory and roasted in fire"; and the Ramayana's words "to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh" means Rama wanted to feed Seeta meat. So clearly Seeta was a meat eater, and further Rama used the words "fresh, savory, and roasted" for the meat in order to encourage Seeta to eat the meat. The word "fresh and savory" in this context means Rama had eaten the meat himself before urging Seeta to also eat it.

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Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
where is the evidence supporting your earlier assertion that Rama (in the Valmiki Ramayana) enjoyed eating meat?

taaM tathaa darshayitvaa tu maithiliiM girinimnagaam |
niSasaada giriprasthe siitaaM maaMsena chandayan
|| 2-96-1
1. tathaa= thus; darshayitvaa= having shown; girinimnagaam= the mountaneous river Mandakini; taam siitaam= to that Seetha; maithiliim= the daughter of the king of Mithila; niSasaada= sat; giriprashthe= on the hill side; chhandayan= in order to gratify her appetite; maamsena= with flesh.

Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh.

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idaM medhyamidaM svaadu niSTaptamidamagninaa |
evamaaste sa dharmaatmaa siitayaa saha raaghavaH
|| 2-96-2
2. saH raaghavaH= that Rama; dharmaatmaa= of righteousness; aaste= stayed; siitayaa sha= with Seetha; evam= thus speaking; idam= this meat; madhyam= is fresh; idam= this; niSTaptam= was roasted; agninaa= in the fire.

Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire."

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga96/ayodhya_96_frame.htm
That's not evidence that Rama (himself) enjoyed eating meat as you have been claiming in the past.

Rama tells Seeta that "this meat is fresh, this meat is savory and roasted in fire";  and the Ramayana's words "to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh" means Rama wanted to feed Seeta meat. So clearly Seeta was a meat eater, and further Rama used the words "fresh, savory, and roasted" for the meat in order to encourage Seeta to eat the meat. The word "fresh and savory" in this context means Rama had eaten the meat himself before urging Seeta to also eat it.
It doesn't mean Rama enjoyed eating meat as you seem to be claiming. 
Just because someone gives a bribe to an official to get his work done, even as a last resort, does not mean that he himself enjoys or is in favor of bribing.
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Post by Rashmun on Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:40 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
where is the evidence supporting your earlier assertion that Rama (in the Valmiki Ramayana) enjoyed eating meat?

taaM tathaa darshayitvaa tu maithiliiM girinimnagaam |
niSasaada giriprasthe siitaaM maaMsena chandayan
|| 2-96-1
1. tathaa= thus; darshayitvaa= having shown; girinimnagaam= the mountaneous river Mandakini; taam siitaam= to that Seetha; maithiliim= the daughter of the king of Mithila; niSasaada= sat; giriprashthe= on the hill side; chhandayan= in order to gratify her appetite; maamsena= with flesh.

Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh.

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idaM medhyamidaM svaadu niSTaptamidamagninaa |
evamaaste sa dharmaatmaa siitayaa saha raaghavaH
|| 2-96-2
2. saH raaghavaH= that Rama; dharmaatmaa= of righteousness; aaste= stayed; siitayaa sha= with Seetha; evam= thus speaking; idam= this meat; madhyam= is fresh; idam= this; niSTaptam= was roasted; agninaa= in the fire.

Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire."

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga96/ayodhya_96_frame.htm
That's not evidence that Rama (himself) enjoyed eating meat as you have been claiming in the past.

Rama tells Seeta that "this meat is fresh, this meat is savory and roasted in fire";  and the Ramayana's words "to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh" means Rama wanted to feed Seeta meat. So clearly Seeta was a meat eater, and further Rama used the words "fresh, savory, and roasted" for the meat in order to encourage Seeta to eat the meat. The word "fresh and savory" in this context means Rama had eaten the meat himself before urging Seeta to also eat it.
It doesn't mean Rama enjoyed eating meat as you seem to be claiming. 
Just because someone gives a bribe to an official to get his work done, even as a last resort, does not mean that he himself enjoys or is in favor of bribing.

Do you agree that Seeta was a meat eater?

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Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

taaM tathaa darshayitvaa tu maithiliiM girinimnagaam |
niSasaada giriprasthe siitaaM maaMsena chandayan
|| 2-96-1
1. tathaa= thus; darshayitvaa= having shown; girinimnagaam= the mountaneous river Mandakini; taam siitaam= to that Seetha; maithiliim= the daughter of the king of Mithila; niSasaada= sat; giriprashthe= on the hill side; chhandayan= in order to gratify her appetite; maamsena= with flesh.

Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh.

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idaM medhyamidaM svaadu niSTaptamidamagninaa |
evamaaste sa dharmaatmaa siitayaa saha raaghavaH
|| 2-96-2
2. saH raaghavaH= that Rama; dharmaatmaa= of righteousness; aaste= stayed; siitayaa sha= with Seetha; evam= thus speaking; idam= this meat; madhyam= is fresh; idam= this; niSTaptam= was roasted; agninaa= in the fire.

Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire."

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga96/ayodhya_96_frame.htm
That's not evidence that Rama (himself) enjoyed eating meat as you have been claiming in the past.

Rama tells Seeta that "this meat is fresh, this meat is savory and roasted in fire";  and the Ramayana's words "to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh" means Rama wanted to feed Seeta meat. So clearly Seeta was a meat eater, and further Rama used the words "fresh, savory, and roasted" for the meat in order to encourage Seeta to eat the meat. The word "fresh and savory" in this context means Rama had eaten the meat himself before urging Seeta to also eat it.
It doesn't mean Rama enjoyed eating meat as you seem to be claiming. 
Just because someone gives a bribe to an official to get his work done, even as a last resort, does not mean that he himself enjoys or is in favor of bribing.

Do you agree that Seeta was a meat eater?
check out the headline to this thread by you --- "Lord Rama was a non-vegetarian. He enjoyed eating meat."
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Post by Rashmun on Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:50 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
That's not evidence that Rama (himself) enjoyed eating meat as you have been claiming in the past.

Rama tells Seeta that "this meat is fresh, this meat is savory and roasted in fire";  and the Ramayana's words "to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh" means Rama wanted to feed Seeta meat. So clearly Seeta was a meat eater, and further Rama used the words "fresh, savory, and roasted" for the meat in order to encourage Seeta to eat the meat. The word "fresh and savory" in this context means Rama had eaten the meat himself before urging Seeta to also eat it.
It doesn't mean Rama enjoyed eating meat as you seem to be claiming. 
Just because someone gives a bribe to an official to get his work done, even as a last resort, does not mean that he himself enjoys or is in favor of bribing.

Do you agree that Seeta was a meat eater?
check out the headline to this thread by you --- "Lord Rama was a non-vegetarian. He enjoyed eating meat."

True. So what? Both Lord Rama and Seeta were meat eaters according to me. You claim there is not sufficient proof for Rama to be described as a meat eater. But i think you agree that there is enough evidence to show that Seeta was a meat eater.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:49 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

Rama tells Seeta that "this meat is fresh, this meat is savory and roasted in fire";  and the Ramayana's words "to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh" means Rama wanted to feed Seeta meat. So clearly Seeta was a meat eater, and further Rama used the words "fresh, savory, and roasted" for the meat in order to encourage Seeta to eat the meat. The word "fresh and savory" in this context means Rama had eaten the meat himself before urging Seeta to also eat it.
It doesn't mean Rama enjoyed eating meat as you seem to be claiming. 
Just because someone gives a bribe to an official to get his work done, even as a last resort, does not mean that he himself enjoys or is in favor of bribing.

Do you agree that Seeta was a meat eater?
check out the headline to this thread by you --- "Lord Rama was a non-vegetarian. He enjoyed eating meat."

True. So what? Both Lord Rama and Seeta were meat eaters according to me. You claim there is not sufficient proof for Rama to be described as a meat eater. But i think you agree that there is enough evidence to show that Seeta was a meat eater.
As I indicated earlier, the vegetarianism or non-vegetarianism related to Rama was not even the issue in the Ramayana. Yet you still want to allege (even using the headline), albeit wrongly, as if Rama was "basically" a non-vegetarian and he enjoyed eating meat, because in the Ramayana there seem to be a couple of verses (out of tens of thousands of verses) which point to Sita and others, not Rama himself, in terms of meat consumption?
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Post by Rashmun on Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:57 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
It doesn't mean Rama enjoyed eating meat as you seem to be claiming. 
Just because someone gives a bribe to an official to get his work done, even as a last resort, does not mean that he himself enjoys or is in favor of bribing.

Do you agree that Seeta was a meat eater?
check out the headline to this thread by you --- "Lord Rama was a non-vegetarian. He enjoyed eating meat."

True. So what? Both Lord Rama and Seeta were meat eaters according to me. You claim there is not sufficient proof for Rama to be described as a meat eater. But i think you agree that there is enough evidence to show that Seeta was a meat eater.
As I indicated earlier, the vegetarianism or non-vegetarianism related to Rama was not even the issue in the Ramayana. Yet you still want to allege (even using the headline), albeit wrongly, as if Rama was "basically" a non-vegetarian and he enjoyed eating meat, because in the Ramayana there seem to be a couple of verses (out of tens of thousands of verses) which point to Sita and others, not Rama himself, in terms of meat consumption?

when Rama tells Seeta "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire." (See my earlier post in this  thread for the exact sanskrit verse and where the verse occurs in the Valmiki Ramayana) it tells me that Rama himself had tasted the meat before recommending it to Seeta. The word 'savoury' used by Rama in this context means 'tasty' or 'delicious' and you cannot possibly claim that a dish of meat is 'savoury' without first having tasted it (savoured it) yourself.

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Post by garam_kuta on Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:58 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

Do you agree that Seeta was a meat eater?
check out the headline to this thread by you --- "Lord Rama was a non-vegetarian. He enjoyed eating meat."

True. So what? Both Lord Rama and Seeta were meat eaters according to me. You claim there is not sufficient proof for Rama to be described as a meat eater. But i think you agree that there is enough evidence to show that Seeta was a meat eater.
As I indicated earlier, the vegetarianism or non-vegetarianism related to Rama was not even the issue in the Ramayana. Yet you still want to allege (even using the headline), albeit wrongly, as if Rama was "basically" a non-vegetarian and he enjoyed eating meat, because in the Ramayana there seem to be a couple of verses (out of tens of thousands of verses) which point to Sita and others, not Rama himself, in terms of meat consumption?

hmm...

when Rama tells Seeta "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire." (See my earlier post in this  thread for the exact sanskrit verse and where the verse occurs in the Valmiki Ramayana) it tells me that Rama himself had tasted the meat before recommending it to Seeta. The word 'savoury' used by Rama in this context means 'tasty' or 'delicious' and you cannot possibly claim that a dish of meat is 'savoury' without first having tasted it (savoured it) yourself.

from the a referee in popular cooking shows, and a celebrated chef venky bhat
Despite being a vegetarian, Venkatesh is an expert at non-vegetarian cooking. .... Observing, feeling and inhaling the fragrances at different stages of cooking can perfect your skills rather than just tasting the food,” says Venkatesh.

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Post by Rashmun on Sun Aug 14, 2016 4:15 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

Do you agree that Seeta was a meat eater?
check out the headline to this thread by you --- "Lord Rama was a non-vegetarian. He enjoyed eating meat."

True. So what? Both Lord Rama and Seeta were meat eaters according to me. You claim there is not sufficient proof for Rama to be described as a meat eater. But i think you agree that there is enough evidence to show that Seeta was a meat eater.
As I indicated earlier, the vegetarianism or non-vegetarianism related to Rama was not even the issue in the Ramayana. Yet you still want to allege (even using the headline), albeit wrongly, as if Rama was "basically" a non-vegetarian and he enjoyed eating meat, because in the Ramayana there seem to be a couple of verses (out of tens of thousands of verses) which point to Sita and others, not Rama himself, in terms of meat consumption?

when Rama tells Seeta "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire." (See my earlier post in this  thread for the exact sanskrit verse and where the verse occurs in the Valmiki Ramayana) it tells me that Rama himself had tasted the meat before recommending it to Seeta. The word 'savoury' used by Rama in this context means 'tasty' or 'delicious' and you cannot possibly claim that a dish of meat is 'savoury' without first having tasted it (savoured it) yourself.

More evidence of Lord Rama being a meat eater:

तौ तत्र हत्वा चतुरः महा मृगान् |
वराहम् ऋश्यम् पृषतम् महा रुरुम् |
आदाय मेध्यम् त्वरितम् बुभुक्षितौ|
वासाय काले ययतुर् वनः पतिम् || २-५२-१०२

102. hatvaa = having killed; tatra = there; chaturaH = four; mR^igaan = deer (namely); varaaham = Varaaha; R^ishyam = Risya; pR^ishhatam = PR^isata; mahaaruru = (and) Mahaaruru; (the four principal species of deer); aadayaa = and taking; tvaritam = quickly; medhyam = the portions that were pure; tou = Rama and Lakshmana; bubhukshhitou = being hungry as they were; yayatuH = reached; vanaspatim = a tree; vaasayaa = to take rest; kaale = in the evening.

Having hunted there four deer, namely Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata; and Mahaaruru (the four principal species of deer) and taking quickly the portions that were pure, being hungry as they were, Rama and Lakshmana reached a tree to take rest in the evening.

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/ayodhya/sarga52/ayodhya_52_frame.htm

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Re: Lord Rama was a non-vegetarian. He enjoyed eating meat.

Post by Seva Lamberdar on Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:14 am

Rashmun wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
check out the headline to this thread by you --- "Lord Rama was a non-vegetarian. He enjoyed eating meat."

True. So what? Both Lord Rama and Seeta were meat eaters according to me. You claim there is not sufficient proof for Rama to be described as a meat eater. But i think you agree that there is enough evidence to show that Seeta was a meat eater.
As I indicated earlier, the vegetarianism or non-vegetarianism related to Rama was not even the issue in the Ramayana. Yet you still want to allege (even using the headline), albeit wrongly, as if Rama was "basically" a non-vegetarian and he enjoyed eating meat, because in the Ramayana there seem to be a couple of verses (out of tens of thousands of verses) which point to Sita and others, not Rama himself, in terms of meat consumption?

when Rama tells Seeta "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire." (See my earlier post in this  thread for the exact sanskrit verse and where the verse occurs in the Valmiki Ramayana) it tells me that Rama himself had tasted the meat before recommending it to Seeta. The word 'savoury' used by Rama in this context means 'tasty' or 'delicious' and you cannot possibly claim that a dish of meat is 'savoury' without first having tasted it (savoured it) yourself.

More evidence of Lord Rama being a meat eater:

तौ तत्र हत्वा चतुरः महा मृगान् |
वराहम् ऋश्यम् पृषतम् महा रुरुम् |
आदाय मेध्यम् त्वरितम् बुभुक्षितौ|
वासाय काले ययतुर् वनः पतिम् || २-५२-१०२

102. hatvaa = having killed; tatra = there; chaturaH = four; mR^igaan = deer (namely); varaaham = Varaaha; R^ishyam = Risya; pR^ishhatam = PR^isata; mahaaruru = (and) Mahaaruru; (the four principal species of deer); aadayaa = and taking; tvaritam = quickly; medhyam = the portions that were pure; tou = Rama and Lakshmana; bubhukshhitou = being hungry as they were; yayatuH = reached; vanaspatim = a tree; vaasayaa = to take rest; kaale = in the evening.

Having hunted there four deer, namely Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata; and Mahaaruru (the four principal species of deer) and taking quickly the portions that were pure, being hungry as they were, Rama and Lakshmana reached a tree to take rest in the evening.

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/ayodhya/sarga52/ayodhya_52_frame.htm

http://such.forumotion.com/t38743-lord-rama-was-a-forest-dweller-he-enjoyed-resting-and-sleeping-in-the-trees#225736
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