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The Electoral College

Post by Hellsangel on Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:27 am

Was put in place so cities in states like California and New York don't decide our President. It is not going away anytime soon. Deal with it.
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Post by Idéfix on Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:35 am

Then electoral college was put in place because in 1787 they didn't have the communications and transportation technology to conduct a real national election, and because the coastal elites of the day who wrote the constitution didn't want the unwashed masses of the countryside voting on who should be president.

It won't go away anytime soon, but the more elections we have where the electoral college disagrees with the popular vote, the more likely it becomes that it will go away.
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Post by Hellsangel on Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:37 am

Idéfix wrote:Then electoral college was put in place because in 1787 they didn't have the communications and transportation technology to conduct a real national election, and because the coastal elites of the day who wrote the constitution didn't want the unwashed masses of the countryside voting on who should be president.

It won't go away anytime soon, but the more elections we have where the electoral college disagrees with the popular vote, the more likely it becomes that it will go away.
When the difference is insignificant like 200,000+ in a total of 100 million+ votes and when most of the lead comes from populous states like New York and California, I doubt it.
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Post by Idéfix on Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:59 am

Hellsangel wrote:
Idéfix wrote:Then electoral college was put in place because in 1787 they didn't have the communications and transportation technology to conduct a real national election, and because the coastal elites of the day who wrote the constitution didn't want the unwashed masses of the countryside voting on who should be president.

It won't go away anytime soon, but the more elections we have where the electoral college disagrees with the popular vote, the more likely it becomes that it will go away.
When the difference is insignificant like 200,000+ in a total of 100 million+ votes and when most of the lead comes from populous states like New York and California, I doubt it.
The differences in PA, MI and WI are smaller. There is no logical reason for the voices of New Yorkers and Californians to count less than those of Midwesterners.
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:53 pm

Idéfix wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Idéfix wrote:Then electoral college was put in place because in 1787 they didn't have the communications and transportation technology to conduct a real national election, and because the coastal elites of the day who wrote the constitution didn't want the unwashed masses of the countryside voting on who should be president.

It won't go away anytime soon, but the more elections we have where the electoral college disagrees with the popular vote, the more likely it becomes that it will go away.
When the difference is insignificant like 200,000+ in a total of 100 million+ votes and when most of the lead comes from populous states like New York and California, I doubt it.
The differences in PA, MI and WI are smaller. There is no logical reason for the voices of New Yorkers and Californians to count less than those of Midwesterners.

This is part of the same irrational backlash against the so called "elites". I am not sure why a restaurant worker in NYC is any more of an elite than a laid off assembly line worker in Michigan or why his vote counts a fraction of the Michigander's vote.
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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:10 pm

Hellsangel wrote:Was put in place so cities in states like California and New York don't decide our President. It is not going away anytime soon. Deal with it.

why is it called electoral "college"?

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Post by Hellsangel on Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:10 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:Was put in place so cities in states like California and New York don't decide our President. It is not going away anytime soon. Deal with it.

why is it called electoral "college"?  
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Post by Idéfix on Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:17 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Idéfix wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Idéfix wrote:Then electoral college was put in place because in 1787 they didn't have the communications and transportation technology to conduct a real national election, and because the coastal elites of the day who wrote the constitution didn't want the unwashed masses of the countryside voting on who should be president.

It won't go away anytime soon, but the more elections we have where the electoral college disagrees with the popular vote, the more likely it becomes that it will go away.
When the difference is insignificant like 200,000+ in a total of 100 million+ votes and when most of the lead comes from populous states like New York and California, I doubt it.
The differences in PA, MI and WI are smaller. There is no logical reason for the voices of New Yorkers and Californians to count less than those of Midwesterners.

This is part of the same irrational backlash against the so called "elites". I am not sure why a restaurant worker in NYC is any more of an elite than a laid off assembly line worker in Michigan or why his vote counts a fraction of the Michigander's vote.
Exactly. There is this romanticized notion in the right wing that rural America is "real America," propagated by eminent thinkers like Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity. To hell with that. America is its people, wherever they live within this vast land.
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Re: The Electoral College

Post by Hellsangel on Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:03 pm

Takeaways for Dems - Electoral College bad. Super Delegates good.
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Post by southindian on Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:20 pm

Hellsangel wrote:Takeaways for Dems - Electoral College bad. Super Delegates good.
Nope! Look up Donald Trump tweets from an earlier date.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/09/trump-called-electoral-college-disaster-2012-tweet/93575326/

That bastard, your President-elect tweeted something like, "Electoral College should be abolished".... before he won and loved it. Smile

He's on both side of all arguments.


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Post by Hellsangel on Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:24 pm

southindian wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:Takeaways for Dems - Electoral College bad. Super Delegates good.
Nope! Look up Donald Trump tweets from Nov 6th.

Your President-elect tweeted something like, "Electoral College should be abolished".... before he won and loved it. Smile


He's on both side of all arguments.

FTFY
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Post by truthbetold on Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:44 pm

When Adams and Hamilton crafted electoral college, California was not a part of USA. It won't go away because it needs constitutional amendments.

Hillary Cabot complain about it because she went into election that those were rules. Of the game.

Only USA has it. It is not democratic. It does not belong in a republic.

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Post by Hellsangel on Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:26 am

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:39 am

Because California is not an American state? They're only 13% of the U.S. GDP and produce nearly all our fruits, vegetables and nuts. How does it look if you get rid of those unproductive southern states which are such a drag on the American economy that take in federal give aways more than they give in tax revenue? That's a more interesting q.
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Post by Hellsangel on Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:48 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Because California is not an American state? They're only 13% of the U.S. GDP and produce nearly all our fruits, vegetables and nuts. How does it look if you get rid of those unproductive southern states which are such a drag on the American economy that take in federal give aways more than they give in tax revenue? That's a more interesting q.
http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2015/04/decalifornify-cotton-vegetables-fruit-south

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/explainer/2013/07/california_grows_all_of_our_fruits_and_vegetables_what_would_we_eat_without.html
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Post by Idéfix on Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:40 pm

"I won bigly, if you don't count those who voted for my opponent!" 

Donald Trump knows that there are enough Stupid-Americans who will eat this shit up, so he keeps dishing it out, and his faithful meme makers swing into action to spread it all around.
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Post by Hellsangel on Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:44 pm

Idéfix wrote:"I won bigly, if you don't count those who voted for my opponent!" 

Donald Trump knows that there are enough Stupid-Americans who will eat this shit up, so he keeps dishing it out, and his faithful meme makers swing into action to spread it all around.
I love this reaction from faithful Shrillery subjects from California, like they've never posted memes before.
PS: And let's not forget - the resident statistician who loves to post numbers and graphs.
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