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Post by confuzzled dude on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:42 am

Smear campaign & witch-hunt should be the mantra of democrats. It seems to have worked well in last 8 years so America should continue that tradition for another 4 years.

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Post by southindian on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:51 am

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:16 am

confuzzled dude wrote:Smear campaign & witch-hunt should be the mantra of democrats. It seems to have worked well in last 8 years so America should continue that tradition for another 4 years.

I disagree. I don't want the dems to become the tea party of the left. It is important to build the party back, show bipartisanship on issues they can work together with the GOP, and yes obstruct stridently when they need to, especially but not limited to confirming SCOTUS nominations.
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Post by Idéfix on Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:32 am

The Dems need to be smart and strategic. The number one goal needs to be taking the House back in 2018. The Senate will be a lot harder. This has been done before; remember 2004? It looked all doom and gloom the days after the election, when a war hero was defeated by a draft-dodger through insinuations that the war hero had faked his wounds. That was a low for America. But Dean and the party decided to go big. And we took the House and Senate back in 2006.

Obstructing everything reflexively, like the GOP has done with Obama, is a really bad idea. Strategy is about tough trade-offs. For example, with Obamacare: obstruct the hell out of attempts to to dismantle Obamacare. But try to work with people who want to fix the problems with it, propose a real alternative that does not leave 20+ million people, some of them with preexisting conditions, in the lurch. If the GOP goes ahead and dismantles it anyway, then you can get those 20+ million people energized to vote in 2018.
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Post by truthbetold on Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:56 pm

As CD said it worked for Republicans. It may work for Congress and Jagan in India. Why not for democrats?

Bernie Sanders and Warren have already declared their strategy to be constructive opposition.

The real problem is that Democrats do not control any one of the three branches and also do not control enough state governors or legislatures. They controlled policy direction through Presidency.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:08 pm

truthbetold wrote:As CD said it worked for Republicans. It may work for Congress and Jagan in India. Why not for democrats?

Bernie Sanders and Warren have already declared their strategy to be constructive opposition.

The real problem is that Democrats do not control any one of the three branches and also do not control enough state governors or legislatures. They controlled policy direction through Presidency.

GOP has only a slim majority in the senate. They can still filibuster unless turtle boy changes the rules. They can still obstruct extreme right SCOTUS nominees.
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Post by confuzzled dude on Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:14 pm

WASHINGTON — Before the election, it was clear that Democrats were looking at the very real prospect of scrapping the filibuster to keep Republicans from blocking the Supreme Court nominees of a President Hillary Clinton.

Now the tables are turned. It is the Republicans who will control the White House, Senate and House — the coveted Washington trifecta. And that raises a crucial question: If Democrats in the even more narrowly divided Senate embrace the filibuster to block what could be a flood of legislation, would Republicans respond by eliminating the 60-vote threshold in order to push their priorities through on simple majority votes?

In the afterglow of their election success, Republicans prefer not to discuss this unpleasant possibility. They would rather rhapsodize about a sunny legislative future in which the two parties work in harmony, negating the need for all those troublesome Senate cloture votes to try to break filibusters (a tactic that they, in fact, employed very effectively to stymie President Obama).

“I think what the American people are looking for is results,” Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who will retain his majority leader title by virtue of surprising Republican victories, told reporters. “And to get results in the Senate, as all of you know, it requires some Democratic participation and cooperation.”

Democrats may want some payback. So if Mr. Trump picks a conservative whom Democrats find objectionable, it is possible that they will do whatever they can to impede the choice, including a filibuster.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/republicans-house-senate.html

I'm all for keeping status quo i.e. filibuster. Let these good for nothing idiots screw the country. Trump often says America is like a third word country, let these suckers experience what a third world dump looks like.

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Post by truthbetold on Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:49 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:As CD said it worked for Republicans. It may work for Congress and Jagan in India. Why not for democrats?

Bernie Sanders and Warren have already declared their strategy to be constructive opposition.

The real problem is that Democrats do not control any one of the three branches and also do not control enough state governors or legislatures. They controlled policy direction through Presidency.

GOP has only a slim majority in the senate. They can still filibuster unless turtle boy changes the rules. They can still obstruct extreme right SCOTUS nominees.
 Supreme court is lost. So is Judicial appointments for a while. They impact cultural issues significantly. They may overturn Roe vs wade (unless Trump's children veto that). That may be a good move as it will take away one divisive issue from the political discussion.

Financial legislation is not subject to filibuster. So they can pass budget.

However, dems can do lot of senate rule manoeuvring to slow down law making process.  

Dem leadership should pass into leftie hands. Those leaders can oppose extreme policies with vigour and emotion. They can also rally the democratic party base. If they play their cards right they can even bring back blue collar workers back and union base may again mean something. 

Dem centre leadership like Clintons (and Obama) were unable to claim the positives of their success in saving US from great depression in 2008 and 70 odd weeks of Job development. They could not convince white population that has an unemployment rate less than 4.4% (Romney promised 6% in 2012).

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Post by confuzzled dude on Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:59 am

Donald Trump is set to inherit an uncommon number of vacancies in the federal courts in addition to the open Supreme Court seat, giving the president-elect a monumental opportunity to reshape the judiciary after taking office.

The estimated 103 judicial vacancies that President Obama is expected to hand over to Trump in the Jan. 20 transition of power is nearly double the 54 openings Obama found eight years ago following George W. Bush’s presidency.

Confirmation of Obama’s judicial nominees slowed to a crawl after Republicans took control of the Senate in 2015. Obama White House officials blame Senate Republicans for what they characterize as an unprecedented level of obstruction in blocking the Democratic president’s court picks.

The result is a multitude of openings throughout the federal circuit and district courts that will allow the new Republican president to quickly make a wide array of lifetime appointments.

State gun control laws, abortion restrictions, voter laws, anti-discrimination measures and immigrant issues are all matters that are increasingly heard by federal judges and will be influenced by the new composition of the courts. Trump has vowed to choose ideologues in the mold of the late Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia, a conservative icon — a prospect that has activists on the right giddy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-to-inherit-more-than-100-court-vacancies-plans-to-reshape-judiciary/2016/12/25/d190dd18-c928-11e6-85b5-76616a33048d_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_trumpjudges805p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.393011cd3ab7#comments

Yet another valid reason to resort to obstructionism. We can't let this country turn into another Saudi Arabia with right-wing morons calling the shots.

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