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Should Hillary challenge the election results?

Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:17 pm

Here is something on the web I read this morning.......

"A group of renowned computer scientists and lawyers have urged Hillary Clinton to challenge the election results in three key states after they gathered "evidence" to suggest the election results were potentially manipulated.
The group of activists, including voting rights lawyer John Bonifaz and J Alex Halderman, director of the University of Michigan's centre for computer security and society, believe their evidence shows that results in these three battleground states - which lost Ms Clinton the election on 8 November - might have been hacked.
As reported by New York Magazine, the group is not speaking on the record but is privately lobbying Clinton’s team to challenge the election results.
In Wisconsin, Ms Clinton received 7 per cent fewer votes in counties that depended on electronic-voting machines compared to countries that used optical scanners and paper ballots, and consequently Ms Clinton may have lost up to 30,000 votes. She lost Wisconsin by 27,000 votes.
The group has already held a call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to argue that while they have not found conclusive evidence of a hack, the pattern in their results merits an independent review.
Ms Clinton has made no indication she would challenge the results and the White House is intent on a smooth transition.
The deadline to file for a vote recount is between Friday and next Wednesday for the three states.
The vote in Michigan has still not been called as the results on 8 November were very close - and the 16 electoral votes in the state have not been proportioned to either Mr Trump or Ms Clinton.
Mr Trump has 290 electoral college votes, compared to Ms Clinton’s 232 votes. Michigan is likely to be given to the Republican side.
Ms Clinton would need to win Michigan and overturn the results in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to win the electoral college."

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Re: Should Hillary challenge the election results?

Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:24 pm

If nothing, we should make sure there has been no hacking by Vlad and his henchmen.
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Re: Should Hillary challenge the election results?

Post by silvermani on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:26 pm

Looks like these sorelosers are still in bitter denial phase.
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Re: Should Hillary challenge the election results?

Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:27 pm

Didn't see the post by FluteHolder on the same issue. Sorry!

Max: I agree with you.

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Re: Should Hillary challenge the election results?

Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:28 pm

silvermani wrote:Looks like these sorelosers are still in bitter denial phase.

Politics aside are you comfortable with the notion that Vlad's henchmen may have hacked the voting machines?
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Re: Should Hillary challenge the election results?

Post by silvermani on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:29 pm

Big bad Putin sent sasquatch to steal the election! The election should be held again and again until Hitlary wins it!
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Re: Should Hillary challenge the election results?

Post by silvermani on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:31 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
silvermani wrote:Looks like these sorelosers are still in bitter denial phase.

Politics aside are you comfortable with the notion that Vlad's henchmen may have hacked the voting machines?
No I am not. I am also not comfortable with the notion that Soros with his connection to the voting machine companies may have rigged votes in favor of Hitlary.
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Re: Should Hillary challenge the election results?

Post by Seva Lamberdar on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:54 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Here is something on the web I read this morning.......

"A group of renowned computer scientists and lawyers have urged Hillary Clinton to challenge the election results in three key states after they gathered "evidence" to suggest the election results were potentially manipulated.
The group of activists, including voting rights lawyer John Bonifaz and J Alex Halderman, director of the University of Michigan's centre for computer security and society, believe their evidence shows that results in these three battleground states - which lost Ms Clinton the election on 8 November - might have been hacked.

As reported by New York Magazine, the group is not speaking on the record but is privately lobbying Clinton’s team to challenge the election results.
In Wisconsin, Ms Clinton received 7 per cent fewer votes in counties that depended on electronic-voting machines compared to countries that used optical scanners and paper ballots, and consequently Ms Clinton may have lost up to 30,000 votes. She lost Wisconsin by 27,000 votes.
The group has already held a call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to argue that while they have not found conclusive evidence of a hack, the pattern in their results merits an independent review.
Ms Clinton has made no indication she would challenge the results and the White House is intent on a smooth transition.
The deadline to file for a vote recount is between Friday and next Wednesday for the three states.
The vote in Michigan has still not been called as the results on 8 November were very close - and the 16 electoral votes in the state have not been proportioned to either Mr Trump or Ms Clinton.
Mr Trump has 290 electoral college votes, compared to Ms Clinton’s 232 votes. Michigan is likely to be given to the Republican side.
Ms Clinton would need to win Michigan and overturn the results in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to win the electoral college."
that's like challenging the touchdown pass in a Superbowl game after the Superbowl trophy has already been handed over to the team completing the questionable pass.
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Re: Should Hillary challenge the election results?

Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:03 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Here is something on the web I read this morning.......

"A group of renowned computer scientists and lawyers have urged Hillary Clinton to challenge the election results in three key states after they gathered "evidence" to suggest the election results were potentially manipulated.
The group of activists, including voting rights lawyer John Bonifaz and J Alex Halderman, director of the University of Michigan's centre for computer security and society, believe their evidence shows that results in these three battleground states - which lost Ms Clinton the election on 8 November - might have been hacked.

As reported by New York Magazine, the group is not speaking on the record but is privately lobbying Clinton’s team to challenge the election results.
In Wisconsin, Ms Clinton received 7 per cent fewer votes in counties that depended on electronic-voting machines compared to countries that used optical scanners and paper ballots, and consequently Ms Clinton may have lost up to 30,000 votes. She lost Wisconsin by 27,000 votes.
The group has already held a call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to argue that while they have not found conclusive evidence of a hack, the pattern in their results merits an independent review.
Ms Clinton has made no indication she would challenge the results and the White House is intent on a smooth transition.
The deadline to file for a vote recount is between Friday and next Wednesday for the three states.
The vote in Michigan has still not been called as the results on 8 November were very close - and the 16 electoral votes in the state have not been proportioned to either Mr Trump or Ms Clinton.
Mr Trump has 290 electoral college votes, compared to Ms Clinton’s 232 votes. Michigan is likely to be given to the Republican side.
Ms Clinton would need to win Michigan and overturn the results in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to win the electoral college."
that's like challenging the touchdown pass in a Superbowl game after the Superbowl trophy has already been handed over to the team completing the questionable pass.
Not nec. so. He is not officially declared elected until the electoral college votes. Hillary (or someone else!) has until next Wednesday to challenge the results.

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Re: Should Hillary challenge the election results?

Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:06 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Here is something on the web I read this morning.......

"A group of renowned computer scientists and lawyers have urged Hillary Clinton to challenge the election results in three key states after they gathered "evidence" to suggest the election results were potentially manipulated.
The group of activists, including voting rights lawyer John Bonifaz and J Alex Halderman, director of the University of Michigan's centre for computer security and society, believe their evidence shows that results in these three battleground states - which lost Ms Clinton the election on 8 November - might have been hacked.

As reported by New York Magazine, the group is not speaking on the record but is privately lobbying Clinton’s team to challenge the election results.
In Wisconsin, Ms Clinton received 7 per cent fewer votes in counties that depended on electronic-voting machines compared to countries that used optical scanners and paper ballots, and consequently Ms Clinton may have lost up to 30,000 votes. She lost Wisconsin by 27,000 votes.
The group has already held a call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to argue that while they have not found conclusive evidence of a hack, the pattern in their results merits an independent review.
Ms Clinton has made no indication she would challenge the results and the White House is intent on a smooth transition.
The deadline to file for a vote recount is between Friday and next Wednesday for the three states.
The vote in Michigan has still not been called as the results on 8 November were very close - and the 16 electoral votes in the state have not been proportioned to either Mr Trump or Ms Clinton.
Mr Trump has 290 electoral college votes, compared to Ms Clinton’s 232 votes. Michigan is likely to be given to the Republican side.
Ms Clinton would need to win Michigan and overturn the results in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to win the electoral college."
that's like challenging the touchdown pass in a Superbowl game after the Superbowl trophy has already been handed over to the team completing the questionable pass.

Hasn't been handed just yet. Deadline in WI is this Friday.
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Re: Should Hillary challenge the election results?

Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:31 pm

A blog post by Alex Halderman of UMich:

https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.nocghbuyv
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