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Post by confuzzled dude on Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:53 pm

However, at a nation-wide level the cult of Narendra Modi has had only one predecessor — that of Indira Gandhi. Thus now, as then, ruling party politicians demand that citizens see the Prime Minister as embodying not just the party or the government, but the nation itself. Millions of devotees on social media (as well as quite a few journalists) have succumbed to the most extreme form of hero-worship. More worryingly, one senior cabinet minister has called Narendra Modi a Messiah. A chief minister has insinuated that anyone who criticises the Prime Minister’s policies is anti-national. Meanwhile, as in Indira Gandhi’s time, the government’s publicity wing, as well as AIR and Doordarshan, works overtime to broadcast the Prime Minister’s image and achievements.

While viewing the promotion of this cult of Narendra Modi, I have been reminded of two texts by long-dead thinker-politicians, both (sadly) still relevant. The first is an essay published by Jawaharlal Nehru in 1937 under the pen-name of ‘Chanakya’. Here Nehru, referring to himself in the third person (as Modi often does now), remarked: ‘Jawaharlal cannot become a fascist. Yet he has all the makings of a dictator in him — a vast popularity, a strong will directed to a well-defined purpose, energy, pride, organisational capacity, ability, hardness, and, with all his love of the crowd, an intolerance of others and a certain contempt for the weak and the inefficient.’
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Post by truthbetold on Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:24 pm

I do not remember CD writing about personality cult when Sonia Gandhi is ruling the country from behind MMS or when YSR ruled AP as the sole power. Nor did I see any posts about Jagan's role as sole leader of YSRCP. But we should be glad that CD woke up to Bhakti politics. It is hypocritical if he only sees personality cult in Modi.

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Post by confuzzled dude on Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:37 pm

truthbetold wrote:I do not remember CD writing about personality cult when Sonia Gandhi is ruling the country from behind MMS or when YSR ruled AP as the sole power. Nor did I see any posts about Jagan's role as sole leader of YSRCP. But we should be glad that CD woke up to Bhakti politics. It is hypocritical if he only sees personality cult in Modi.
I suggest you cutout the nonsense. I criticized YSR about the encounter of acid attacker. I've never supported fascist moves.

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Post by pravalika nanda on Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:44 pm

truthbetold wrote:I do not remember CD writing about personality cult when Sonia Gandhi is ruling the country from behind MMS or when YSR ruled AP as the sole power. Nor did I see any posts about Jagan's role as sole leader of YSRCP. But we should be glad that CD woke up to Bhakti politics. It is hypocritical if he only sees personality cult in Modi.
indinas are hugely susceptible to hero-worship. here's an indira gandhi interview. full of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8aETK5pQR4&t=1079s

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Post by truthbetold on Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:42 am

Hero worship by less informed people is one thing. But many of the so called secularists use secularism/socialism as a cover to hide their political opportunism. Congress is , in the past 50 years, a tool in the hands of a small group of people to swindle India through corruption.  Dynasty used congress and congress looters used dynasty. But those criticizing Modi did not have time to criticize congress that pushed Indian economy and people into misery again and again. Someone who does not have time to utter a single criticism of Jagan whose party does not have an iota of democracy or transparency , wakes up every morning criticizing Modi. Talk about hypocrisy.

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Post by confuzzled dude on Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:37 am

truthbetold wrote:Hero worship by less informed people is one thing. But many of the so called secularists use secularism/socialism as a cover to hide their political opportunism. Congress is , in the past 50 years, a tool in the hands of a small group of people to swindle India through corruption.  Dynasty used congress and congress looters used dynasty. But those criticizing Modi did not have time to criticize congress that pushed Indian economy and people into misery again and again. Someone who does not have time to utter a single criticism of Jagan whose party does not have an iota of democracy or transparency , wakes up every morning criticizing Modi. Talk about hypocrisy.
Somebody, in his hatse to blame others, missed the notice. Author did compare Modi with Indira. On a related note I don't see you ever criticize TDP dynasty.

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Post by truthbetold on Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:15 pm

CD,

You are still dodging the issue.  Your hypocrisy is on display time and again. It proves your political opportunism. You are free to call me out any time.

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Post by confuzzled dude on Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:48 pm

truthbetold wrote:CD,

You are still dodging the issue.  Your hypocrisy is on display time and again. It proves your political opportunism. You are free to call me out any time.
Dodging is what you normally practice. Everyone here is well aware of that.

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Post by Merlot Daruwala on Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:29 am

truthbetold wrote:I do not remember CD writing about personality cult when Sonia Gandhi is ruling the country from behind MMS or when YSR ruled AP as the sole power. Nor did I see any posts about Jagan's role as sole leader of YSRCP. But we should be glad that CD woke up to Bhakti politics. It is hypocritical if he only sees personality cult in Modi.

A supremo lording over a political party is *not* the bhakti cult referred to in this article.

When the Indira-is-India concept prevailed, it wasn't about Indira Gandhi's unchallenged supremacy within the Congress party but about how ordinary citizens looked up to her as some kind of a goddess.

Sonia, YSR, Didi, Karunanidhi etc are supreme leaders of their respective parties but never commanded the outsized stature of an Indira Gandhi in the popular imagination. In fact, none of the political leaders after her ever achieved that kind of an exalted status until now. Even Jayalalitha achieved that status only in death.
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Post by ashdoc on Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:49 am

Power is going to go into Modi's head and he is going to become quasi dictator.

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Post by smArtha on Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:37 pm

"Indian democracy is now too robust to be destroyed by a single individual. But it can still be severely damaged. That is why this personality cult of Narendra Modi must be challenged (and checked) before it goes much further"


So we should go and curtail NaMo now before he takes the trajectory 'as creatively imagined' by Guha and his likes. Can we do the same thing with all Communists/Marxists before they become another Mao/Stalin? After all it is the same leftist ideology that made such oppressors and dictators? And while we are at this, we should also eliminate the dynasty parties as they resemble monarchies in successor appointments and there is enough historical evidence that such dynastic monarchies can lead to Dictatorship too. 

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Post by Merlot Daruwala on Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:50 am

smArtha wrote:And while we are at this, we should also eliminate the dynasty parties as they resemble monarchies in successor appointments and there is enough historical evidence that such dynastic monarchies can lead to Dictatorship too. 

Unkil, that's what happened in 2014. Today, can you seriously look at Rahul Gandhi and fear a dictatorship?

smArtha wrote:Can we do the same thing with all Communists/Marxists before they become another Mao/Stalin? After all it is the same leftist ideology that made such oppressors and dictators?

Sure. But first, can you name any Commie / Marxist in India who looks set to become a Mao / Stalin?
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Post by smArtha on Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:53 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:


Sure. But first, can you name any Commie / Marxist in India who looks set to become a Mao / Stalin?

In the write up posted by OP, Guha did imply - if one can 'creatively' establish an equivalence of the Subject to another Dictator of History be it in actions, behavioral traits or subscribed ideology then one shall firmly and absolutely conclude that the Subject will take the same path as that Dictator. He uses this method to show some random equivalence between Indira and Modi's political/administrative actions and 'projects' that Modi may impose Emergency as did Indira. Not stopping at that he does implore the readers to challenge and check such a 'personality cult'. 

So to answer your question,we just have to use 'fertile imagination' and draw 'some equivalence' between Tyrants of the past and any leader of the present. And then go about challenging/checkmating such leaders. Any commie leader can be made to fit this.

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Post by Merlot Daruwala on Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:31 am

smArtha wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:


Sure. But first, can you name any Commie / Marxist in India who looks set to become a Mao / Stalin?

In the write up posted by OP, Guha did imply - if one can 'creatively' establish an equivalence of the Subject to another Dictator of History be it in actions, behavioral traits or subscribed ideology then one shall firmly and absolutely conclude that the Subject will take the same path as that Dictator. He uses this method to show some random equivalence between Indira and Modi's political/administrative actions and 'projects' that Modi may impose Emergency as did Indira. Not stopping at that he does implore the readers to challenge and check such a 'personality cult'. 

So to answer your question,we just have to use 'fertile imagination' and draw 'some equivalence' between Tyrants of the past and any leader of the present. And then go about challenging/checkmating such leaders. Any commie leader can be made to fit this.

Ya, that makes sense. Commies who are struggling to stay relevant and are surviving in just one state (and whose leaders we would be hard put to name) pose as much of a risk of a dictatorship in India as Narendra Modi, who has sidelined all detractors in his party, is surrounded by yes-men without any political bases of their own, who loves the sound of his own voice and the sight of his own face (and name) and whose armies of bhakts in social media troll anyone who questions the great man. All one needs is a sufficiently fertile imagination to see the equivalence between the two.
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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:57 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
smArtha wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:


Sure. But first, can you name any Commie / Marxist in India who looks set to become a Mao / Stalin?

In the write up posted by OP, Guha did imply - if one can 'creatively' establish an equivalence of the Subject to another Dictator of History be it in actions, behavioral traits or subscribed ideology then one shall firmly and absolutely conclude that the Subject will take the same path as that Dictator. He uses this method to show some random equivalence between Indira and Modi's political/administrative actions and 'projects' that Modi may impose Emergency as did Indira. Not stopping at that he does implore the readers to challenge and check such a 'personality cult'. 

So to answer your question,we just have to use 'fertile imagination' and draw 'some equivalence' between Tyrants of the past and any leader of the present. And then go about challenging/checkmating such leaders. Any commie leader can be made to fit this.

Ya, that makes sense. Commies who are struggling to stay relevant and are surviving in just one state (and whose leaders we would be hard put to name) pose as much of a risk of a dictatorship in India as Narendra Modi, who has sidelined all detractors in his party, is surrounded by yes-men without any political bases of their own, who loves the sound of his own voice and the sight of his own face (and name) and whose armies of bhakts in social media troll anyone who questions the great man. All one needs is a sufficiently fertile imagination to see the equivalence between the two.
According to you, Rashmun, CD, Guha et al., anyone trying to shake India even by a millimeter in the right direction is a fascist, dictator and despot.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:24 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
smArtha wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:


Sure. But first, can you name any Commie / Marxist in India who looks set to become a Mao / Stalin?

In the write up posted by OP, Guha did imply - if one can 'creatively' establish an equivalence of the Subject to another Dictator of History be it in actions, behavioral traits or subscribed ideology then one shall firmly and absolutely conclude that the Subject will take the same path as that Dictator. He uses this method to show some random equivalence between Indira and Modi's political/administrative actions and 'projects' that Modi may impose Emergency as did Indira. Not stopping at that he does implore the readers to challenge and check such a 'personality cult'. 

So to answer your question,we just have to use 'fertile imagination' and draw 'some equivalence' between Tyrants of the past and any leader of the present. And then go about challenging/checkmating such leaders. Any commie leader can be made to fit this.

Ya, that makes sense. Commies who are struggling to stay relevant and are surviving in just one state (and whose leaders we would be hard put to name) pose as much of a risk of a dictatorship in India as Narendra Modi, who has sidelined all detractors in his party, is surrounded by yes-men without any political bases of their own, who loves the sound of his own voice and the sight of his own face (and name) and whose armies of bhakts in social media troll anyone who questions the great man. All one needs is a sufficiently fertile imagination to see the equivalence between the two.
According to you, Rashmun, CD, Guha et al., anyone trying to shake India even by a millimeter in the right direction is a fascist, dictator and despot.
Aurangajeb was the most democratic leader in India who worshiped Kafir lingams. Jalaluddin was the best example of a Hindu and Humayun jumped off the tower in Delhi while doing a bhajan to Hanuman. If Babur didn't come to India, Hinduism would have been dead. Garibi Hatao.

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