What were the most brutal armies or invaders in history?

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What were the most brutal armies or invaders in history?

Post by FluteHolder on Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:25 pm

https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-most-brutal-armies-or-invaders-in-history

It surprises me how no one has mentioned  Timur (or Timur the lame) at all!!  
 

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Re: What were the most brutal armies or invaders in history?

Post by Kayalvizhi on Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:11 pm

IPKF - Innocent People Killing Force (of India)

Unable to kill Tamil Commander Prabakaran, Indian army surrounded his birth place, lined up everyone they could find there and shot and killed them all including women and children.

Even Nazis did not do that.

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Re: What were the most brutal armies or invaders in history?

Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:50 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:IPKF - Innocent People Killing Force (of India)

Unable to kill Tamil Commander Prabakaran, Indian army surrounded his birth place, lined up everyone they could find there and shot and killed them all including women and children.

Even Nazis did not do that.
Hey Kayar,
How about Rejendra Chola? How many did he kill?

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Post by Kayalvizhi on Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:01 pm

He was one of the  benevolent kings. Read history.

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Re: What were the most brutal armies or invaders in history?

Post by Hellsangel on Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:04 pm

http://scroll.in/article/776978/forgotten-indian-history-the-brutal-maratha-invasions-of-bengal

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:05 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:IPKF - Innocent People Killing Force (of India)

Unable to kill Tamil Commander Prabakaran, Indian army surrounded his birth place, lined up everyone they could find there and shot and killed them all including women and children.

Even Nazis did not do that.
Hey Kayar,
How about Rejendra Chola? How many did he kill?

Rajendra? Or did you mean his father AruLmozhi varman aka Rajaraja Chozhan aka ponniyin selvan?

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:38 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:IPKF - Innocent People Killing Force (of India)

Unable to kill Tamil Commander Prabakaran, Indian army surrounded his birth place, lined up everyone they could find there and shot and killed them all including women and children.

Even Nazis did not do that.
Hey Kayar,
How about Rejendra Chola? How many did he kill?

Rajendra? Or did you mean his father AruLmozhi varman aka Rajaraja Chozhan aka ponniyin selvan?
Yeah, sorry. Rajaraja. He was advised by his guru to pay penance so that he won't be reborn as a bug or something.....

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Re: What were the most brutal armies or invaders in history?

Post by Idéfix on Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:11 pm

Hellsangel wrote:http://scroll.in/article/776978/forgotten-indian-history-the-brutal-maratha-invasions-of-bengal
That's a good article. Also worth pointing out that the Bengal province at the time included much of today's Bihar and Jharkhand, as well as Odisha and Bangladesh. The Marathas had lots of Muslims fighting for them, and the Bengal nawab's army has lots of Hindus in its ranks.

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Post by Idéfix on Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:19 pm

E dESa charitra chUsinA Emunnadi garva kAraNam
narajAti charitra samastam parapIDana parAyaNatvam


Inelegant translation: what is there to see and feel proud about in the history of any nation? The history of mankind is full of oppression of other people.

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Re: What were the most brutal armies or invaders in history?

Post by FluteHolder on Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:21 pm

Idéfix wrote:E dESa charitra chUsinA Emunnadi garva kAraNam
narajAti charitra samastam parapIDana parAyaNatvam


Inelegant translation: what is there to see and feel proud about in the history of any nation? The history of mankind is full of oppression of other people.
It is kind of blanket statement. It is like saying all Americans are like Trump or Hillary? Smile There is definitely a difference in each individual countries esp their culture, good /bad history and the way the people lived or followed a code of conduct. You cannot simply say all the countries were bad or oppressed. It is like saying all the Such(this forum) members are good or bad.

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Re: What were the most brutal armies or invaders in history?

Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:43 pm

Idéfix wrote:E dESa charitra chUsinA Emunnadi garva kAraNam
narajAti charitra samastam parapIDana parAyaNatvam


Inelegant translation: what is there to see and feel proud about in the history of any nation? The history of mankind is full of oppression of other people.
పరశురాముడు ఇలాగే ఆలోచించి, క్షత్రియుల మీద పడ్డాడు. అతగాడిని చివరకి హిమాలయాలకి పంపారు (ప్రజలతొ సంబంధం లేకుండా).

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Re: What were the most brutal armies or invaders in history?

Post by Idéfix on Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:51 pm

That was a communist I was quoting. From that perspective, even those societies that had relatively decent codes of war were oppressing people within their own societies.

But talking strictly about invading armies, the most brutal were those who eliminated or enslaved entire populations. Most wars of the very distant past were like that. But in historical times, the biggest examples that come to my mind are Assyrians, Romans, Mongols, Turks, conquistadores, Americans, Nazis and Japanese.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:03 am

Idéfix wrote:That was a communist I was quoting. From that perspective, even those societies that had relatively decent codes of war were oppressing people within their own societies.

But talking strictly about invading armies, the most brutal were those who eliminated or enslaved entire populations. Most wars of the very distant past were like that. But in historical times, the biggest examples that come to my mind are Assyrians, Romans, Mongols, Turks, conquistadores, Americans, Nazis and Japanese.
True. However, conflicts are natural extensions of behaviour. How they get expressed can vary depending on circumstances, cultural values, etc.

I spent some time reading on Japanese culture. The Western interpretations of Japanese behaviour is tinted. One can argue that Japanese are the best examples of those who follow "dharma". There are some wonderful movies depicting this.

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Re: What were the most brutal armies or invaders in history?

Post by ashdoc on Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:07 am

Hellsangel wrote:http://scroll.in/article/776978/forgotten-indian-history-the-brutal-maratha-invasions-of-bengal
the maratha invasion prevented islamisation in the areas they penetrated by loosening the bonds of islamic rule there . only the area that was penetrated by marathas remains with india today while the rest is bangladesh . 

the article is written by shoaib daniyal , a muslim who probably wants to divert attention from the ongoing islamisation of west bengal due to bangladeshi immigration by making hindus fight among themselves .

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Re: What were the most brutal armies or invaders in history?

Post by Idéfix on Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:28 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Idéfix wrote:That was a communist I was quoting. From that perspective, even those societies that had relatively decent codes of war were oppressing people within their own societies.

But talking strictly about invading armies, the most brutal were those who eliminated or enslaved entire populations. Most wars of the very distant past were like that. But in historical times, the biggest examples that come to my mind are Assyrians, Romans, Mongols, Turks, conquistadores, Americans, Nazis and Japanese.
True. However, conflicts are natural extensions of behaviour. How they get expressed can vary depending on circumstances, cultural values, etc.

I spent some time reading on Japanese culture. The Western interpretations of Japanese behaviour is tinted. One can argue that Japanese are the best examples of those who follow "dharma". There are some wonderful movies depicting this.
The Japanese had strict codes of behavior when dealing with fellow Japanese people. Once they decided to compete with the West, they quickly adopted European imperialist ways, starting with Korea. Their armies showed little regard for the lives of civilians in China and elsewhere.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:37 am

Idéfix wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Idéfix wrote:That was a communist I was quoting. From that perspective, even those societies that had relatively decent codes of war were oppressing people within their own societies.

But talking strictly about invading armies, the most brutal were those who eliminated or enslaved entire populations. Most wars of the very distant past were like that. But in historical times, the biggest examples that come to my mind are Assyrians, Romans, Mongols, Turks, conquistadores, Americans, Nazis and Japanese.
True. However, conflicts are natural extensions of behaviour. How they get expressed can vary depending on circumstances, cultural values, etc.

I spent some time reading on Japanese culture. The Western interpretations of Japanese behaviour is tinted. One can argue that Japanese are the best examples of those who follow "dharma". There are some wonderful movies depicting this.
The Japanese had strict codes of behavior when dealing with fellow Japanese people. Once they decided to compete with the West, they quickly adopted European imperialist ways, starting with Korea. Their armies showed little regard for the lives of civilians in China and elsewhere.
Like I said, Japanese behaviour can be interpreted through Western eyes........

Yes, Japanese were brutal towards Chinese, Koreans, etc. In fact, they were brutal towards anyone who showed their backs in the battle field (or were captured) and looked morally/ethically inferior to them. I am not supporting them on this but this behaviour was an extension of their core personality. Taking their own lives when they behaved the "wrong" way, also can look strange to outsiders (the seven Ronins, for example).......

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:47 am

47 ronins!

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