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Post by Rashmun on Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:54 pm

Darbhanga, June 15: The Taj Mahal may be synonymous with India in the eyes of the world, but not to Yogi Adityanath.

"Foreign dignitaries visiting the country used to be gifted replicas of the Taj Mahal and other minarets which did not reflect Indian culture," the Uttar Pradesh chief minister said at a public meeting today at the Raj Maidan in Darbhanga, a historic ground that used to be the centre of sporting activities since the 16th century under the Maithil rulers.

Now (read as meaning under the Narendra Modi government), Adityanath pointed out, foreign dignitaries are gifted copies of the Bhagvad Gita and the Ramayan when they come to India.

Historians were aghast at the UP chief minister's description of the Taj.

"The period from the year 1206 to 1760 is known as medieval and pre-modern history," said Patna University history teacher Daisy Narayan. "But some people, especially of a particular political stripe, consider this period as the 'Islamic era' of Indian history. These people, in doing so, are trying to rewrite history and distort facts. It is very shocking that the Taj Mahal, which is our national heritage monument, is being claimed as not as part of our culture."

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Post by Rashmun on Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:17 am

the guy is the CM of UP. His job is to promote and advertise the Taj Mahal, not to denigerate it. Furthermore, the Taj Mahal was built by the Mughals. And there is documentary evidence available which proves that the Mughals gave generous donations to the Gorakhnath monastery of Adityanath. It is surprising that instead of being thankful and grateful to the Mughals for giving his monastery generous donations this man continues to lambast and insult them at every opportunity.

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Post by southindian on Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:38 am

Rashmun wrote:the guy is the CM of UP. His job is to promote and advertise the Taj Mahal, not to denigerate it. Furthermore, the Taj Mahal was built by the Mughals. And there is documentary evidence available which proves that the Mughals gave generous donations to the Gorakhnath monastery of Adityanath. It is surprising that instead of being thankful and grateful to the Mughals for giving his monastery generous donations this man continues to lambast and insult them at every opportunity.
You are an asshole... you know that. Right?
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'UP CM Adityanath's statement that "Taj Mahal does not reflect Indian culture" leaves historians aghast'

>>> What historians it leaves aghast?
How many Indians, no matter what their religion, promise to build a "Tajmahal" for their wife after she dies? None; and that's the Indian culture.
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Seva Lamberdar wrote:'UP CM Adityanath's statement that "Taj Mahal does not reflect Indian culture" leaves historians aghast'

>>> What historians it leaves aghast?
How many Indians, no matter what their religion, promise to build a "Tajmahal" for their wife after she dies? None; and that's the Indian culture.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/this-retired-up-postmaster-built-a-taj-mahal-for-his-mumtaz/story-UfM3OzKHuphGgMiBtsglHM.html

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Post by silvermani on Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:50 pm

I don't see why it is worthy of controversy. This is from wikipedia:

"The Taj Mahal incorporates and expands on design traditions of Persian and earlier Mughal architecture. Specific inspiration came from successful Timurid and Mughal buildings including the Gur-e Amir (the tomb of Timur, progenitor of the Mughal dynasty, in Samarkand),[11] Humayun's TombItmad-Ud-Daulah's Tomb (sometimes called the Baby Taj), and Shah Jahan's own Jama Masjid in Delhi. While earlier Mughal buildings were primarily constructed of red sandstone, Shah Jahan promoted the use of white marble inlaid with semi-precious stones. Buildings under his patronage reached new levels of refinement."
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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:13 pm

silvermani wrote:I don't see why it is worthy of controversy. This is from wikipedia:

"The Taj Mahal incorporates and expands on design traditions of Persian and earlier Mughal architecture. Specific inspiration came from successful Timurid and Mughal buildings including the Gur-e Amir (the tomb of Timur, progenitor of the Mughal dynasty, in Samarkand),[11] Humayun's TombItmad-Ud-Daulah's Tomb (sometimes called the Baby Taj), and Shah Jahan's own Jama Masjid in Delhi. While earlier Mughal buildings were primarily constructed of red sandstone, Shah Jahan promoted the use of white marble inlaid with semi-precious stones. Buildings under his patronage reached new levels of refinement."
What do you want him to showcase in UP?

Sarnath?






Shravasti?







You should be happy that monomaniacs at least left the foundations of these places intact........


How about showcasing this (you can still see some aspects of the temple)?


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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:27 pm

or this (near Kanpur):



and this:


or this:



Don't ask me about what happened to the Kasi Viswanatha temple......

And Aurangazeb's sishya has the audacity to talk about H-M synthesis? He should be happy that the giant is half asleep........

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Post by garam_kuta on Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:24 pm

wow...what a tragedy. it's everywhere. I have personally seen this in a couple of south american countries as well.
The madness of the uncivilized is beyond comprehension, this brutality of the savages. What blinds them:so depraved their cruelty was, not only to those whom the "conquerors" enslaved, but also to their creations. The real tragedy is, this destruction of civilizations, it still continues, in a nuanced deceitful way. I can only weep for this irreversible loss. But for buddha, gandhi and such, it's so easy to lose faith in humanity. I only wish the mainstream indians have a little more sense for their history and its preciousness, and felt it in their bones.

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Post by Rashmun on Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:13 pm

silvermani wrote:I don't see why it is worthy of controversy. This is from wikipedia:

"The Taj Mahal incorporates and expands on design traditions of Persian and earlier Mughal architecture. Specific inspiration came from successful Timurid and Mughal buildings including the Gur-e Amir (the tomb of Timur, progenitor of the Mughal dynasty, in Samarkand),[11] Humayun's TombItmad-Ud-Daulah's Tomb (sometimes called the Baby Taj), and Shah Jahan's own Jama Masjid in Delhi. While earlier Mughal buildings were primarily constructed of red sandstone, Shah Jahan promoted the use of white marble inlaid with semi-precious stones. Buildings under his patronage reached new levels of refinement."

Statue of Liberty was designed and built in France. Does that mean it is not a part of American culture?

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Post by Rashmun on Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:54 pm

the dilapidation in the temples shown in the pictures posted by Vakavaka could be because of assorted reasons due to the ravages of time (like erosion) and not necessarily because of deliberate destruction. it is an established fact that whereas the early muslim invaders destroyed many hindu temples the (later) muslim rulers gave funding for the construction and maintanance of hindu temples.

the reason for the destruction of the hindu temples by the early muslim invaders was similar to why many Hindu kings destroyed many Budhist monastaries, Jain temples, etc.: aquisition of wealth.

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Post by Rashmun on Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:08 pm

Rashmun wrote:
silvermani wrote:I don't see why it is worthy of controversy. This is from wikipedia:

"The Taj Mahal incorporates and expands on design traditions of Persian and earlier Mughal architecture. Specific inspiration came from successful Timurid and Mughal buildings including the Gur-e Amir (the tomb of Timur, progenitor of the Mughal dynasty, in Samarkand),[11] Humayun's TombItmad-Ud-Daulah's Tomb (sometimes called the Baby Taj), and Shah Jahan's own Jama Masjid in Delhi. While earlier Mughal buildings were primarily constructed of red sandstone, Shah Jahan promoted the use of white marble inlaid with semi-precious stones. Buildings under his patronage reached new levels of refinement."

Statue of Liberty was designed and built in France. Does that mean it is not a part of American culture?

one more point. from where did NaMo address the Indian nation on independence day?

https://twitter.com/geetv79/status/875741906369560576

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Post by silvermani on Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:30 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
silvermani wrote:I don't see why it is worthy of controversy. This is from wikipedia:

"The Taj Mahal incorporates and expands on design traditions of Persian and earlier Mughal architecture. Specific inspiration came from successful Timurid and Mughal buildings including the Gur-e Amir (the tomb of Timur, progenitor of the Mughal dynasty, in Samarkand),[11] Humayun's TombItmad-Ud-Daulah's Tomb (sometimes called the Baby Taj), and Shah Jahan's own Jama Masjid in Delhi. While earlier Mughal buildings were primarily constructed of red sandstone, Shah Jahan promoted the use of white marble inlaid with semi-precious stones. Buildings under his patronage reached new levels of refinement."

Statue of Liberty was designed and built in France. Does that mean it is not a part of American culture?

one more point. from where did NaMo address the Indian nation on independence day?

https://twitter.com/geetv79/status/875741906369560576

The America of today is made up of mostly White immigrants from Europe. So though it was built in France, it is part of American culture. But it is not part of Native American culture - just like Taj Mahal is not part of native Indian culture.
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Post by Rashmun on Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:53 pm

silvermani wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
silvermani wrote:I don't see why it is worthy of controversy. This is from wikipedia:

"The Taj Mahal incorporates and expands on design traditions of Persian and earlier Mughal architecture. Specific inspiration came from successful Timurid and Mughal buildings including the Gur-e Amir (the tomb of Timur, progenitor of the Mughal dynasty, in Samarkand),[11] Humayun's TombItmad-Ud-Daulah's Tomb (sometimes called the Baby Taj), and Shah Jahan's own Jama Masjid in Delhi. While earlier Mughal buildings were primarily constructed of red sandstone, Shah Jahan promoted the use of white marble inlaid with semi-precious stones. Buildings under his patronage reached new levels of refinement."

Statue of Liberty was designed and built in France. Does that mean it is not a part of American culture?

one more point. from where did NaMo address the Indian nation on independence day?

https://twitter.com/geetv79/status/875741906369560576

The America of today is made up of mostly White immigrants from Europe. So though it was built in France, it is part of American culture. But it is not part of Native American culture - just like Taj Mahal is not part of native Indian culture.

for various reasons comparing native indians of US with Indian muslims is fallacious in my opinion. native Indians of US should be compared with the original inhabitants of India--the pre-hindu tribals of India like the Todas, Santhals, Mundas, Bhils, Gonds, etc.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:30 am

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:'UP CM Adityanath's statement that "Taj Mahal does not reflect Indian culture" leaves historians aghast'

>>> What historians it leaves aghast?
How many Indians, no matter what their religion, promise to build a "Tajmahal" for their wife after she dies? None; and that's the Indian culture.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/this-retired-up-postmaster-built-a-taj-mahal-for-his-mumtaz/story-UfM3OzKHuphGgMiBtsglHM.html
What's your point? These few random and isolated cases are not any evidence or proof of Tajmahal as part of Indian culture. 
Anyway, ask the CHers with Indian origins here, which probably excludes you, about how many of them in their families ever had a "Tajmahal" promised or built for a woman after her death? The answer will be "none".
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Post by Rashmun on Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:56 am

Rashmun wrote:the guy is the CM of UP. His job is to promote and advertise the Taj Mahal, not to denigerate it. Furthermore, the Taj Mahal was built by the Mughals. And there is documentary evidence available which proves that the Mughals gave generous donations to the Gorakhnath monastery of Adityanath. It is surprising that instead of being thankful and grateful to the Mughals for giving his monastery generous donations this man continues to lambast and insult them at every opportunity.

Aditya Menon‏ @AdityaMenon22  24h24 hours ago

Mughals patronised Gorakhnath cult, to which Yogi Adityanath owes his influence. He should quit the Math if he finds Mughals un-Indian

https://twitter.com/AdityaMenon22/status/876123717046198272

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Brian Passanha‏ @bspassanha  20h20 hours ago

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If Modi could do what he did to Advani then why should Yogi give a damn about the Mughals? Their ideology is to bite the hand that feeds.

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Post by Rashmun on Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:58 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:'UP CM Adityanath's statement that "Taj Mahal does not reflect Indian culture" leaves historians aghast'

>>> What historians it leaves aghast?
How many Indians, no matter what their religion, promise to build a "Tajmahal" for their wife after she dies? None; and that's the Indian culture.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/this-retired-up-postmaster-built-a-taj-mahal-for-his-mumtaz/story-UfM3OzKHuphGgMiBtsglHM.html
What's your point? These few random and isolated cases are not any evidence or proof of Tajmahal as part of Indian culture. 
Anyway, ask the CHers with Indian origins here, which probably excludes you, about how many of them in their families ever had a "Tajmahal" promised or built for a woman after her death? The answer will be "none".

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If Mughal monuments don't reflect our culture, will Yogi ask PM to avoid Red Fort on I-Day? Try Birla Mandir instead

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:33 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:'UP CM Adityanath's statement that "Taj Mahal does not reflect Indian culture" leaves historians aghast'

>>> What historians it leaves aghast?
How many Indians, no matter what their religion, promise to build a "Tajmahal" for their wife after she dies? None; and that's the Indian culture.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/this-retired-up-postmaster-built-a-taj-mahal-for-his-mumtaz/story-UfM3OzKHuphGgMiBtsglHM.html
What's your point? These few random and isolated cases are not any evidence or proof of Tajmahal as part of Indian culture. 
Anyway, ask the CHers with Indian origins here, which probably excludes you, about how many of them in their families ever had a "Tajmahal" promised or built for a woman after her death? The answer will be "none".

Shekhar Gupta‏Verified account @ShekharGupta  Jun 17

If Mughal monuments don't reflect our culture, will Yogi ask PM to avoid Red Fort on I-Day? Try Birla Mandir instead

https://twitter.com/ShekharGupta/status/876104773304373249
Does Shekhar Gupta also consider the Victoria Memorial in Kolkatta, dedicated by the Indians to their emperor, as Indian culture? Btw, do you and Shekhar Gupta consider the Trump Tower in New York as American culture?
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Post by Rashmun on Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:22 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:'UP CM Adityanath's statement that "Taj Mahal does not reflect Indian culture" leaves historians aghast'

>>> What historians it leaves aghast?
How many Indians, no matter what their religion, promise to build a "Tajmahal" for their wife after she dies? None; and that's the Indian culture.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/this-retired-up-postmaster-built-a-taj-mahal-for-his-mumtaz/story-UfM3OzKHuphGgMiBtsglHM.html
What's your point? These few random and isolated cases are not any evidence or proof of Tajmahal as part of Indian culture. 
Anyway, ask the CHers with Indian origins here, which probably excludes you, about how many of them in their families ever had a "Tajmahal" promised or built for a woman after her death? The answer will be "none".

Shekhar Gupta‏Verified account @ShekharGupta  Jun 17

If Mughal monuments don't reflect our culture, will Yogi ask PM to avoid Red Fort on I-Day? Try Birla Mandir instead

https://twitter.com/ShekharGupta/status/876104773304373249
Does Shekhar Gupta also consider the Victoria Memorial in Kolkatta, dedicated by the Indians to their emperor, as Indian culture? Btw, do you and Shekhar Gupta consider the Trump Tower in New York as American culture?

You failed to answer Gupta's question: If Mughal monuments don't reflect our culture, will Yogi ask PM to avoid Red Fort on I-Day? Try Birla Mandir instead

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:29 am

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
What's your point? These few random and isolated cases are not any evidence or proof of Tajmahal as part of Indian culture. 
Anyway, ask the CHers with Indian origins here, which probably excludes you, about how many of them in their families ever had a "Tajmahal" promised or built for a woman after her death? The answer will be "none".

Shekhar Gupta‏Verified account @ShekharGupta  Jun 17

If Mughal monuments don't reflect our culture, will Yogi ask PM to avoid Red Fort on I-Day? Try Birla Mandir instead

https://twitter.com/ShekharGupta/status/876104773304373249
Does Shekhar Gupta also consider the Victoria Memorial in Kolkatta, dedicated by the Indians to their emperor, as Indian culture? Btw, do you and Shekhar Gupta consider the Trump Tower in New York as American culture?

You failed to answer Gupta's question: If Mughal monuments don't reflect our culture, will Yogi ask PM to avoid Red Fort on I-Day? Try Birla Mandir instead
It's as silly to think / claim that Tajmahal in Agra reflects Indian culture, as thinking / claiming that Trump Tower in New York City reflects American culture.
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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka on Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:43 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
What's your point? These few random and isolated cases are not any evidence or proof of Tajmahal as part of Indian culture. 
Anyway, ask the CHers with Indian origins here, which probably excludes you, about how many of them in their families ever had a "Tajmahal" promised or built for a woman after her death? The answer will be "none".

Shekhar Gupta‏Verified account @ShekharGupta  Jun 17

If Mughal monuments don't reflect our culture, will Yogi ask PM to avoid Red Fort on I-Day? Try Birla Mandir instead

https://twitter.com/ShekharGupta/status/876104773304373249
Does Shekhar Gupta also consider the Victoria Memorial in Kolkatta, dedicated by the Indians to their emperor, as Indian culture? Btw, do you and Shekhar Gupta consider the Trump Tower in New York as American culture?

You failed to answer Gupta's question: If Mughal monuments don't reflect our culture, will Yogi ask PM to avoid Red Fort on I-Day? Try Birla Mandir instead
It's as silly to think / claim that Tajmahal in Agra reflects Indian culture, as thinking / claiming that Trump Tower in New York City reflects American culture.
By comparing Taj Mahal with with Trump Tower, you are insulting the pieceful in PakiSatan and paid bloggers (Aurangazeb sishyas). It is time that they issued a fukwa against anyone who compares Taj Mahal with any infidel or kafir structure......

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Post by SomeProfile on Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:00 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
What's your point? These few random and isolated cases are not any evidence or proof of Tajmahal as part of Indian culture. 
Anyway, ask the CHers with Indian origins here, which probably excludes you, about how many of them in their families ever had a "Tajmahal" promised or built for a woman after her death? The answer will be "none".

Shekhar Gupta‏Verified account @ShekharGupta  Jun 17

If Mughal monuments don't reflect our culture, will Yogi ask PM to avoid Red Fort on I-Day? Try Birla Mandir instead

https://twitter.com/ShekharGupta/status/876104773304373249
Does Shekhar Gupta also consider the Victoria Memorial in Kolkatta, dedicated by the Indians to their emperor, as Indian culture? Btw, do you and Shekhar Gupta consider the Trump Tower in New York as American culture?

You failed to answer Gupta's question: If Mughal monuments don't reflect our culture, will Yogi ask PM to avoid Red Fort on I-Day? Try Birla Mandir instead

Doucheman! There is no need for Modi to avoid the Red Fort. Why? Let all the pieceful and Doucheman like you and Doggys and Naayis and Couptas see Modi, the Hindu Hriday Samrat, on the Red Fort, the symbol of extinct Mussu power in India, and feel their ass burrrrn!  lol!

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