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Eminent historians Prof Bahauddin and Dr Jayaprakash explain how Buddhism was eliminated in India

Post by Rashmun on Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:06 am

Two well known academicians of Kerala - Prof KM Bahauddin, former pro-vice chancellor of Aligarh Muslim and Osmania universities, and Dr MS Jayaprakash, professor of history at Kollam - throw some deep insights into the dark history of India when Buddhism was systematically eliminated by Brahminical forces who control Hinduism, then and now....

Prof. Bahauddin elaborates the selfish compulsions of Brahminism to wipe-out Buddhism: ‘Buddhism tried to create a dynamic society in ancient India. Jainism also contributed its share. As Buddhism spread, iron ploughs and implement were used for development of agriculture. As a result, new areas were cultivated and agricultural productivity increased, apart from developing trade centres and road links. Subsistence-level economy changed to a surplus economy with grain storage facilities, exchange of goods, trade and development of bureaucratic administration. This also created social change - from elans consisting several families to tribes consisting several elans of similar socio-economic conditions. The emphasis of Brahmins, on the other hand, was for receiving and giving alms and not on production of goods. Those who give and receive alms were close to Gods and those who produce were considered as inferior. According to Manusmriti, a Sudra should not have wealth of his own. In case he has any, a Brahmin as his master can take it over without any hesitation. ‘Rigveda’ goes a step further to kill those who do not give ‘danam’ to the Brahmins. In other words, someone has to produce goods so that others can give ‘danam’ to the recipient Brahmins. It was against this system of 'downgrading those who produce' that Buddhism came into being.’

Recalls Dr. Jayaprakash: ‘The Hindu ruler Pushyamitra Sunga had destroyed 84,000 Buddhist stupas which were built by Emperor Ashoka. This was followed by the demolition of Buddhist centres in Magadha. Thousands of Buddhist saints were killed mercilessly. King Jalaluka destroyed the Buddha viharas within his jurisdiction on the ground that chanting of hymns by Buddhists disturbed his sleep! In Kashmir, King Kinnara demolished thousands of viharas and captured the Buddhist villages to please Brahmins. A large number of Buddha viharas were usurped by Brahmins and converted into Hindu temples where entry of ‘untouchables’ was prohibited. Notably, Buddhist places were regularized as Hindu temples by writing Puranas, which were invented myths or pseudo history. The important temples at Tirupathi, Aihole, Undavalli, Ellora, Bengal, Puri, Badarinath, Mathura, Ayodhya, Sringeri, Bodhigaya, Saranath, Delhi, Nalanda, Gudimallam, Nagarjunakonda, Srisailam and Sabarimala are some of the striking examples of Brahminical usurpation of Buddhist centres.’

Detailing the divergence in both orientation and essence between Buddhism and Hinduism, Prof. Bahauddin says: ‘Equality, compassion, non-violence, utilization of human abilities for general welfare, etc. were the cardinal principles of Buddhism. According to ‘Sathpatha Brahmanam (22-6, 3-4-14), on the other hand, the whole universe is controlled by God, God is controlled by Mantram and Mantram is with Brahmins and, therefore, Brahmins are God (on earth). They used Mantram and Sapam to instil fear in the people to obey them, while Buddhism encouraged people to observe visible facts, to apply reason to get out of fear. Buddhism also encouraged people to do good things, besides guiding Kings to look after the people's welfare. Buddhism considers the general welfare of the people, while Brahminism considers that the whole world was created for them all along. And, there is bound to be conflict between these two opposite ways of thinking.’

According to Dr Jayaprakash, Sakaracharya had played ‘a demon's role’ in destruction of Buddhist statues and monuments at Nagarjunakonda (in present-day Andhra Pradesh). ‘A. N. Longhurst, who conducted excavations at Nagarjunakonda, had recorded this in his invaluable book, Memoirs of the Archaeological Survey of India No. 54, The Buddhist Antiquities of Nagarjunakonda (Delhi, 1938, p. 6). The ruthless manner in which all the buildings at Nagarjunakonda have been destroyed is simply appalling and cannot represent the work of treasure-seekers alone since so many pillars, statues, and sculptures have been wantonly smashed to pieces. Local tradition relates that the great Hindu philosopher and teacher, Sankaracharya, came to Nagarjunakonda with a host of followers and destroyed the Buddhist monuments. The cultivated lands on which ruined buildings stand represent a religious grant made to Sankaracharya.’


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Post by garam_kuta on Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:28 pm

have you been 'channelizing' your massa sapna,  for commanding you to spread his hate-propaganda of anti-brahminism? it's a laugh what you post ! all kings and their cabinets can't be more duds than those brahmins, who lived as "beggars" or recipients of charity but ordered them to confiscate and dispossess everybody's wealth?

Looks like you got that contract of sapna for posting these brahmin-hating propaganda, who was so depraved that he indulged in collecting young brahmin girls' menstrual rags; have you imbibed that fetish as well, and now a proud owner of those bloody soiled rags of innocent young girls by inheritance?

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Post by Rashmun on Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:38 pm

garam_kuta wrote:have you been 'channelizing' your massa sapna,  for commanding you to spread his hate-propaganda of anti-brahminism? it's a laugh what you post ! all kings and their cabinets can't be more duds than those brahmins, who lived as "beggars" or recipients of charity but ordered them to confiscate and dispossess everybody's wealth?

Looks like you got that contract of sapna for posting these brahmin-hating propaganda, who was so depraved that he indulged in collecting young brahmin girls' menstrual rags; have you imbibed that fetish as well, and now a proud owner of those bloody soiled rags of innocent young girls by inheritance?

What is your explanation for why Buddhism died out in India (for the most part) even though it was flourishing at one point?

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Post by garam_kuta on Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:24 pm

clearly it's modi, yeah? Razz


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Re: Eminent historians Prof Bahauddin and Dr Jayaprakash explain how Buddhism was eliminated in India

Post by Seva Lamberdar on Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:07 pm

Rashmun wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:have you been 'channelizing' your massa sapna,  for commanding you to spread his hate-propaganda of anti-brahminism? it's a laugh what you post ! all kings and their cabinets can't be more duds than those brahmins, who lived as "beggars" or recipients of charity but ordered them to confiscate and dispossess everybody's wealth?

Looks like you got that contract of sapna for posting these brahmin-hating propaganda, who was so depraved that he indulged in collecting young brahmin girls' menstrual rags; have you imbibed that fetish as well, and now a proud owner of those bloody soiled rags of innocent young girls by inheritance?

What is your explanation for why Buddhism died out in India (for the most part) even though it was flourishing at one point?
It's simple. People went back to the traditional / old (pre-Buddhist or pre-Jain) way of life and religion (viz. Hindu). It regularly happens with many new fads and customs etc. People, without any compulsion from others etc., on their own go back to what they used to do before, after having tried something new for some time. Even the Nehru jacket was quite popular in the U.S. at one time and many people tried it, but you don't see anyone anymore in the U.S. with a Nehru jacket.  Do you think authorities or someone else in the U.S. forced or asked people to not wear Nehru jacket. Of course, not. Same thing about Buddhism etc. in India.
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Post by smArtha on Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:35 pm

In a nutshell, Buddhism and Jainism didn't offer anything significantly new or profound or better to what is already available in the Arsha Dharma  - be it ideals, philosophical constructs or practices and for either the seeker/scholar or common man. There was nothing that wasn't there in some or other of the diverse schools of Arsha Dharma and Vignana. So they just became sub-systems within the existing traditions than independently sustainable religions. The story is different in China and Far East where Buddhism and its offshoots/variants could make an impact in a near void/emptiness of profound spiritual/philosophical insights.

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Post by Rashmun on Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:27 pm

I would argue that Buddhism did offer some things radically different, and that it was not a mere passing fad. Consider, for instance, that Buddhism did not endorse the Hindu caste system and secondly Buddhism did not endorse the ugly treatment of Hindu widows (sati, prohibition against remarriage, forced to lead a spartan life by force like cutting off all hair, made to sleep on a hard bed, and treated with disrespect by other members of the family).

Women did not have much of a say in those times. But why all low caste hindus did not eagerly embrace Buddhism continues to remain a puzzle to me.

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Post by silvermani on Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:59 pm

I have never met a Budhist in India but seen plenty of Jain religionists in several places in India.
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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:28 am

Rashmun wrote:why all low caste hindus did not eagerly embrace Buddhism continues to remain a puzzle to me.
That's because the caste system fundamentally is not a religious thing. Likewise, the so-called low caste (lower socially) has more to do with having the poor economic condition and being involved in less than desired (viz. manual and menial) occupations. Thus, changing the religion for low caste (having the lowly social status) wouldn't have uplifted them socially, because their economic condition would more or less remain same as before and they would still be doing the same type of lowly jobs.
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Post by Rashmun on Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:01 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:why all low caste hindus did not eagerly embrace Buddhism continues to remain a puzzle to me.
That's because the caste system fundamentally is not a religious thing. Likewise, the so-called low caste (lower socially) has more to do with having the poor economic condition and being involved in less than desired (viz. manual and menial) occupations. Thus, changing the religion for low caste (having the lowly social status) wouldn't have uplifted them socially, because their economic condition would more or less remain same as before and they would still be doing the same type of lowly jobs.

this is a good point.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:58 am

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:why all low caste hindus did not eagerly embrace Buddhism continues to remain a puzzle to me.
That's because the caste system fundamentally is not a religious thing. Likewise, the so-called low caste (lower socially) has more to do with having the poor economic condition and being involved in less than desired (viz. manual and menial) occupations. Thus, changing the religion for low caste (having the lowly social status) wouldn't have uplifted them socially, because their economic condition would more or less remain same as before and they would still be doing the same type of lowly jobs.

this is a good point.
You can tell it to "eminent" historians Prof. Bahauddin and Dr. Jayaprakash.
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Post by Rashmun on Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:05 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:why all low caste hindus did not eagerly embrace Buddhism continues to remain a puzzle to me.
That's because the caste system fundamentally is not a religious thing. Likewise, the so-called low caste (lower socially) has more to do with having the poor economic condition and being involved in less than desired (viz. manual and menial) occupations. Thus, changing the religion for low caste (having the lowly social status) wouldn't have uplifted them socially, because their economic condition would more or less remain same as before and they would still be doing the same type of lowly jobs.

this is a good point.
You can tell it to "eminent" historians Prof. Bahauddin and Dr. Jayaprakash.

there were probably multiple reasons for why all low caste hindus did not convert to buddhism and jainism. one reason may have been the widespread belief (propagated through public recitals of the Ramayana and Mahabharata) in rebirth/reincarnation. a dalit would believe that if he led a pious life in this birth he may be born as a brahmin in his next birth.


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