fiery Kangana

by ashdoc Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:33 am

Can she even produce a photo of herself and Hrithik together?

by Guest Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:31 am

ashdoc wrote:Can she even produce a photo of herself and Hrithik together?

Dunno... what will a photo prove anyway. at this point I do believe that they had an affair. Not sure of the dynamics of it. Was it just an outdoor shooting fling for him? She definitely got more serious.

What's confusing for me is what they say about emails. Both side claims are not adding up. But I guess unless there is an actual legal action on either side, we will never know.

(deleted a lot of my jabber that was purely based on assumptions)

by smArtha Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:51 am

Ajay Devgan also had an affair/fling with Kangana?!

It is not clear, so far, if Hrithik and Kangana had an affair or a bollywoodish fling during the making of a movie (bollywood films do take year or two in the making). It is also possible that what he thought is a fling she took it seriously enough to claim relationship and breakup. I see no reason for Hrithik (who is single and not in any committed relationship now) to own up to an alleged 'failed relationship', if it were so. Because he treated it as a pass time indulgence he doesn't want to get coverage on that. And he took offence in being referred to as her 'ex'. If one partner is taking a 'casual' relationship seriously then it is perfectly valid response for the other to sever contacts and any engagements (even business/professional ones) with the former. I don't see that as 'kicking' her out. Anyways, all this is to give a different perspective on things.

Regarding each other's claim that their email accounts were hacked into - both claims are equally unbelievable.

by Guest Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:02 pm

smArtha wrote:Ajay Devgan also had an affair/fling with Kangana?!

It is not clear, so far, if Hrithik and Kangana had an affair or a bollywoodish fling during the making of a movie (bollywood films do take year or two in the making). It is also possible that what he thought is a fling she took it seriously enough to claim relationship and breakup. I see no reason for Hrithik (who is single and not in any committed relationship now) to own up to an alleged 'failed relationship', if it were so. Because he treated it as a pass time indulgence he doesn't want to get coverage on that. And he took offence in being referred to as her 'ex'. If one partner is taking a 'casual' relationship seriously then it is perfectly valid response for the other to sever contacts and any engagements (even business/professional ones) with the former. I don't see that as 'kicking' her out. Anyways, all this is to give a different perspective on things.

Regarding each other's claim that their email accounts were hacked into - both claims are equally unbelievable.

yeah I avoid discussing affairs and such with people now, coz I realize everyone has a different moral compass, and sometimes it differs on personal/other level. Like some don't tolerate anyone indulging in illicit affairs; yet others, they themselves won't cheat or like to be cheated on, but are liberal towards those who do; and so on, many variations. And this too changes for most with age and experience. And should I bring in gender to the mix?

What's left to focus is what all can one learn from this. She did raise some good points, and hope they make people think and change their way of thinking. especially regarding bullying, gender bias, being the underdog and an outsider, standing up for one's rights and at the same time being wise, and so on. I personally think Kangana is bordering on the point where even one misstep will backfire in her career and mental peace. But that's the cynic in me talking. I am secretly rooting for her to come as a winner, whether it happens by being smart, or wise, or bold, or mature, or all of the above. she herself will learn a lot from this, eventually.

by smArtha Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:59 pm

What's left to focus is what all can one learn from this. She did raise some good points, and hope they make people think and change their way of thinking. especially regarding bullying, gender bias, being the underdog and an outsider, standing up for one's rights and at the same time being wise, and so on. I personally think Kangana is bordering on the point where even one misstep will backfire in her career and mental peace. But that's the cynic in me talking. I am secretly rooting for her to come as a winner, whether it happens by being smart, or wise, or bold, or mature, or all of the above. she herself will learn a lot from this, eventually.

I don't think Kangana stood up against gender bias or her own rights at the appropriate time and in an appropriate way. For eg: The Pancholi guy should have been tackled legally and she should have seen him behind bars if she were indeed a fighter and for the causes she claims to represent. Handling Sr. Pancholi would also open up gates to pursue his Jr. in the Jiah Khan case. Her Hrithik episode seems just a case of different expectations in a relationship and she doesn't need to go to town on that any more. With as many 'failed' relationships/flings she claims the least she should hope to gain is more maturity and learning at least in that aspect of life.

by Guest Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:14 pm

smArtha wrote:

What's left to focus is what all can one learn from this. She did raise some good points, and hope they make people think and change their way of thinking. especially regarding bullying, gender bias, being the underdog and an outsider, standing up for one's rights and at the same time being wise, and so on. I personally think Kangana is bordering on the point where even one misstep will backfire in her career and mental peace. But that's the cynic in me talking. I am secretly rooting for her to come as a winner, whether it happens by being smart, or wise, or bold, or mature, or all of the above. she herself will learn a lot from this, eventually.

I don't think Kangana stood up against gender bias or her own rights at the appropriate time and in an appropriate way. For eg: The Pancholi guy should have been tackled legally and she should have seen him behind bars if she were indeed a fighter and for the causes she claims to represent. Handling Sr. Pancholi would also open up gates to pursue his Jr. in the Jiah Khan case. Her Hrithik episode seems just a case of different expectations in a relationship and she doesn't need to go to town on that any more. With as many 'failed' relationships/flings she claims the least she should hope to gain is more maturity and learning at least in that aspect of life.

she was barely 18 at the time. must have been just glad to get out of the mess. and according to her interviews, she did suffer for some time in her career after Pancholi gave her a lot of bad press and rep. Was a bold move to go to police against a well connected man in the city. Guess that's as bold as one can get given the circumstances.

regarding Roshan, I do think she had moved on. all she used to do was cheekily say in interviews how she will no longer hook up with married men. but got pissed at the legal notice when he asked her to do a press conf clearing his name and threatened to release her emails. the whole public drama began then. until then it was just the usual Bollywood gossip mills.

by Guest Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:24 pm

and gender bias for sure... the film industry is largely male dominated. the hero decides who to keep in his movies, and his buddies follow suit. Even Aishwarya faced that when she publicly broke up with salman khan, she was removed from many projects instantly. To be able to speak against them takes a certain amount of self assurance that this will not cut your career short.

by smArtha Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:08 pm

Even now when all she is doing is raking up relationship issues from her past, she better focus and legally pursue against Pancholi as that is where she suffered the most - physically and otherwise and that is the one where criminality can be established and she can inspire thousands other in such situations how to act - immediately or even at the timing of their choice. Such fight against abuse would be the best example of asserting her rights and fighting for a cause.
Hrithik episode doesn't fall in that realm at all. Just a case of mis-matched expectations and not being able to handle the exit maturely enough.

by Guest Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:17 pm

good point on Pancholi, let's see how it goes.

Regarding Roshan, who didn't exit maturely, she or him? Looks to me like he didn't. And don't underestimate the power of bullying, in work place, school, or otherwise. It can be mentally very distressing. He sent lawyers and police after her, and other industry people asked her to shut up. It's not completely out of line if she reacted the way she did, especially if she didn't think she was in the wrong.

by smArtha Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:04 pm

I don't know the timeline of events in Hrithik's case. If he kicked her out of only his projects and she responded with those snide remarks in the press or he was over working to get her out of all projects (possible though not believable) and she had to resort to that public rebuke. If it is the former then it was Kangana who didn't take being removed from engagements with Hrithik properly. If it is the latter then it was Hrithik that didn't take it well.

by Guest Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:58 pm

smArtha wrote:I don't know the timeline of events in Hrithik's case. If he kicked her out of only his projects and she responded with those snide remarks in the press or he was over working to get her out of all projects (possible though not believable) and she had to resort to that public rebuke. If it is the former then it was Kangana who didn't take being removed from engagements with Hrithik properly. If it is the latter then it was Hrithik that didn't take it well.

am pretty sure a lot more is unknown than known. The only timeline has come from her in which she claims they broke up in 2014 and he apparently harassed and stalked her in 2015, hacking her emails. She claims to have gone to his dad asking for intervention, but I don't think papa Roshan is gonna corroborate that story ever.

And to me it doesn't matter who did or did not exit, maturely or not. If he had an outdoor-shoot fling with her, or even a one-night stand, or even if it was an emotional affair, it is, by definition, an 'affair'. Not sure what other criteria there are which will say it was not an affair. Doesn't matter if he was serious or not. So even if she has trouble moving on, if he had an affair with her and he is trying to arm twist her into giving press statements that there was no affair, that's bullying.

The rest of my opinion was formed by this blog by Raveena Tandon. http://www.india.com/showbiz/raveena-tandon-supports-kangana-ranaut-reveals-shocking-truth-about-extra-marital-affairs-in-bollywood-1244101/

Will watch the news on how this develops (or doesn't). As of now I am team Kangana.

by SomeProfile Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:30 pm

t w wrote:

(deleted a lot of my jabber that was purely based on assumptions)

Guess that explains why the sun is setting in the East today!

by smArtha Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:40 am

t w wrote:
smArtha wrote:I don't know the timeline of events in Hrithik's case. If he kicked her out of only his projects and she responded with those snide remarks in the press or he was over working to get her out of all projects (possible though not believable) and she had to resort to that public rebuke. If it is the former then it was Kangana who didn't take being removed from engagements with Hrithik properly. If it is the latter then it was Hrithik that didn't take it well.

am pretty sure a lot more is unknown than known. The only timeline has come from her in which she claims they broke up in 2014 and he apparently harassed and stalked her in 2015, hacking her emails. She claims to have gone to his dad asking for intervention, but I don't think papa Roshan is gonna corroborate that story ever.

And to me it doesn't matter who did or did not exit, maturely or not. If he had an outdoor-shoot fling with her, or even a one-night stand, or even if it was an emotional affair, it is, by definition, an 'affair'. Not sure what other criteria there are which will say it was not an affair. Doesn't matter if he was serious or not. So even if she has trouble moving on, if he had an affair with her and he is trying to arm twist her into giving press statements that there was no affair, that's bullying.

The rest of my opinion was formed by this blog by Raveena Tandon. http://www.india.com/showbiz/raveena-tandon-supports-kangana-ranaut-reveals-shocking-truth-about-extra-marital-affairs-in-bollywood-1244101/

Will watch the news on how this develops (or doesn't). As of now I am team Kangana.

I have to disagree with Raveena on her take on this issue. There is not much gender specific behavior about a married hero trying to keep his affairs under the wraps and coercing the young actresses to do so too. If the situation is reversed - say an otherwise happily married and socially/financially well set Actress/Producer/Director/Corp Exec woman is involved in a similar clandestine fling with a young and single actor she'd behave the same way. This just shows dynamics of all relationships where one partner is married or committed and wants to keep it that way while the other is single and free to be in or out of a relationship at will. There is not much at stake for the latter if the news of their involvement is out and the same is not true for the much married partner. It is perfectly natural for the married partners to go to any lengths to protect their side - family, image, career etc if ever things go bad. So the onus is much more on the single folks to have all this thought out and if they are not the kind that can find 'fulfillment' in a clandestine affair/fling then they better not get into any such 'deals' with married folks.

by Guest Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:49 am

smArtha wrote:
t w wrote:
smArtha wrote:I don't know the timeline of events in Hrithik's case. If he kicked her out of only his projects and she responded with those snide remarks in the press or he was over working to get her out of all projects (possible though not believable) and she had to resort to that public rebuke. If it is the former then it was Kangana who didn't take being removed from engagements with Hrithik properly. If it is the latter then it was Hrithik that didn't take it well.

am pretty sure a lot more is unknown than known. The only timeline has come from her in which she claims they broke up in 2014 and he apparently harassed and stalked her in 2015, hacking her emails. She claims to have gone to his dad asking for intervention, but I don't think papa Roshan is gonna corroborate that story ever.

And to me it doesn't matter who did or did not exit, maturely or not. If he had an outdoor-shoot fling with her, or even a one-night stand, or even if it was an emotional affair, it is, by definition, an 'affair'. Not sure what other criteria there are which will say it was not an affair. Doesn't matter if he was serious or not. So even if she has trouble moving on, if he had an affair with her and he is trying to arm twist her into giving press statements that there was no affair, that's bullying.

The rest of my opinion was formed by this blog by Raveena Tandon. http://www.india.com/showbiz/raveena-tandon-supports-kangana-ranaut-reveals-shocking-truth-about-extra-marital-affairs-in-bollywood-1244101/

Will watch the news on how this develops (or doesn't). As of now I am team Kangana.

I have to disagree with Raveena on her take on this issue. There is not much gender specific behavior about a married hero trying to keep his affairs under the wraps and coercing the young actresses to do so too. If the situation is reversed - say an otherwise happily married and socially/financially well set Actress/Producer/Director/Corp Exec woman is involved in a similar clandestine fling with a young and single actor she'd behave the same way. This just shows dynamics of all relationships where one partner is married or committed and wants to keep it that way while the other is single and free to be in or out of a relationship at will. There is not much at stake for the latter if the news of their involvement is out and the same is not true for the much married partner. It is perfectly natural for the married partners to go to any lengths to protect their side - family, image, career etc if ever things go bad. So the onus is much more on the single folks to have all this thought out and if they are not the kind that can find 'fulfillment' in a clandestine affair/fling then they better not get into any such 'deals' with married folks.

of course they can try to protect their side. sending lawyers and cops is where it draws the line for me, not to mention death threats always in the background. Hrithik Roshan better not have touched her even once for having the guts to do that. And why the onus only on the single person. You are the married and older one here. If your reputation is so dear to you, then either don't do anything fishy, or at some level be prepared for it to blow in your face. Can't have it all your way.

by smArtha Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:21 pm

In the cases and examples above the behavior of married partner is driven by his need to protect what is at stake for him. And it so happens that in all those cases and relationships they are the ones that seem to have social, financial and may be even political might and when what is 'to be protected' for you is at stake you just respond with whatever 'might' you have got.
Look at it fundamentally thus - the relationship was entered into with certain 'terms' that each doesn't upset the other's situation but exchange some mutual benefits - intimacy, support whatever. And so the exit needs to be well thought, discussed and as much as possible silent and graceful. If one of them breaks those 'terms' willingly or accidentally then the other is more likely to respond using all they got at their disposal to silence the former. This is just a power and opportunity game and not much of gender one as is being made out. IMO, the chances of Kanganas and Raveenas doing the same are as high as that of Roshans/Khans if they had the whole Bollywood at their feet and they can groom or recommend novice actors. There are exceptions but far and few.

by Guest Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:38 pm

no one is questioning what power they had. we all know they have it and they use it, mostly successfully. This is the one time it failed, when the underdog replied using the same machinery. And that makes you rethink the power structure, and makes it [her guts] applaudable. Just coz they can bully doesn't mean they should.

by Guest Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:31 pm

by southindian Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:52 pm

t w wrote:

She looks pissed off and she just can't let go.

by garam_kuta Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:28 pm

[quote="t w"]lol

hilarious! "btw, it is considered cheating even if you are on a break, eh?", the black magic, astrologer, pokeman were quite good

by confuzzled dude Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:22 pm

It is pretty evident after glancing through the posts in this thread that men don't have much respect for women nor willing to trust them or give them credit especially to those women working in film industry. Kangna, you go girl, shatter that glass ceiling.

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