Now it is the turn of Karnataka CM Siddaramiah

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Now it is the turn of Karnataka CM Siddaramiah

Post by Ponniyin Selvan on Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:38 pm

Regional Identity & Federalism
Some time in July last year TV studios in Delhi were outraged at Karnataka Government’s move to set up a committee to examine if the state could have its own flag. The anchors were worried about the unity of India and lectured Karnataka Government on nationalism. This year, the Committee gave its report recommending adoption of a flag for Karnataka. Our Government has accepted the committee’s report and is requesting the central government to include the Karnataka flag in the schedule of the Emblems and Names (Prevention of Misuse) Act, 1950. This episode begs the question: Is the desire of the people of Karnataka to have a flag for their state, to give primacy to Kannada language and to have greater say in the running of their own lives inconsistent with the objective of building a strong nation? In 1947 India was a young nation and we needed to be cautious of any divisive or secessionist tendencies. India therefore became a union of states with a strong center. When Sardar Patel went about integrating the princely states into the Union, a strong center did make sense. Today, 70 years down the line, we have done admirably well as a nation. The Constitution of India has stood the test of time. We have also learnt useful lessons from turmoils in Tamil Nadu over Hindi language imposition and demands of autonomy from certain states like Punjab and Assam. From a union of states, we are evolving into a federation of states. Therefore, I don’t think the demands for greater federal autonomy and recognition of regional identity are inconsistent with our nation. Karnataka prides in Kannada identity. The oldest written document (in stone) in Kannada found at Halmidi, Hassan District, dates back to 2nd century AD. The oldest Kannada Kingdom under the Kadamabas of Banvasi ruled the state during the 4th century AD. We have been using a red and yellow flag since decades. Yet, Karnataka, as our poet Laureate Kuvempu said, is the daughter of Bharata, the Indian nation (Jaya Bharatha Jananiya Tanujathe). The nervousness of anchors in Delhi studios about our assertion of identity is therefore misplaced.
Having established our place firmly in the union, let me raise certain issues of federalism that affect us on a day to day basis. Relatively well-developed states like Karnataka, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra contribute more to central taxes than what they get in return from the center. What we get from the center comes in the form of state’s share in devolution of central taxes and grants under centrally sponsored schemes. The grants under centrally sponsored schemes come with strings attached. Schemes are designed keeping the entire country in mind and we are forced to implement them and provide our share. We need a system where states receive larger portion of the taxes collected from our states and the share of centrally sponsored schemes must go down. The central schemes, if at all needed, need to be flexible so that we can tailor them to our needs.
Historically, the South has been subsidizing the north. Six states south of the Vindhyas contribute more taxes and get less. For example, for every one rupee of tax contributed by Uttar Pradesh that state receives rupee 1.79. For every one rupee of tax contributed by Karnataka, the state receives 0.47 rupee. While I recognize the need for correcting regional imbalances, where is the reward for development? The states of the South have nearly reached replacement levels of population growth. Yet, population is a prominent criteria for devolution of central taxes. For how long can we keep incentivizing population growth?
The economic policy that affects India’s commerce with the rest of the world affects the states and yet the states do not have a say in making of the country’s economic policy. For example, the South Asia Free Trade Agreement has encouraged import of cheap pepper from Vietnam through Sri Lanka seriously affecting the lives of pepper farmers of Kerala and Karnataka. The central government’s trade policy has been encouraging agricultural imports and discouraging agricultural exports. This is affecting the profitability of our farmers who have a marketable surplus. In a nutshell, agrarian distress caused by central policies cannot be remedied by states alone. On the lines of the GST Council we need a standing mechanism for discussing trade policy and agrarian issues so that we have a better say in making policies that affect our farmers. The NITI Ayog has effectively dismantled the erstwhile National Development Council (NDC). No effective consultative mechanism has come in its place. Even the NDC was a talk shop. We urgently need a mechanism where the states get a greater say in making of the nation’s policies.
Karnataka is bigger than many nations in Europe. Most of the Indian states are. For India to grow stronger her states need to grow and prosper. We are today in a position to set the states free to grow as per their capacity and their genius, without being nervous about any imagined threat from assertion of their identity. The states need greater autonomy to run their economic polices, borrow internationally as long as they convince the lenders of their creditworthiness, build the infrastructure of their choice without depending too much for licenses from the center, and design programs of their choice.
Whether we now like it or not, the states of India were organized on linguistic basis. Many of the languages and cultures of the states pre-date the Indian identity. Yet, we Indians are bound by a common history, common civilization, and a common destiny. My identity as a proud Kannadiga is not inconsistent with my identity as a proud Indian. So, in Karnataka when we speak about primacy to Kannada, argue against imposition of Hindi language, or call for adoption of a state flag, we are confident we are contributing to building of a strong India; for, a confident Indian nation is confident about the individuality of all her daughters.

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Post by Kayalvizhi on Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:16 am

Here is a gem from that Siddaramaiah, CM, Karnataka statement.
"Having established our place firmly in the union, let me raise certain issues of federalism that affect us on a day to day basis. Relatively well-developed states like Karnataka, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra contribute more to central taxes than what they get in return from the center."

These people (CM of Andra, TN, etc) state tye problem. Good first step. They do not state the obvious solution. That is, separate from India and form own country.

If they say that they would be removed from job and would never be allowed to contest election again.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:04 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:Here is a gem from that Siddaramaiah, CM, Karnataka statement.
"Having established our place firmly in the union, let me raise certain issues of federalism that affect us on a day to day basis. Relatively well-developed states like Karnataka, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra contribute more to central taxes than what they get in return from the center."

These people (CM of Andra, TN, etc) state tye problem. Good first step. They do not state the obvious solution. That is, separate from India and form own country.

If they say that they would be removed from job and would never be allowed to contest election again.

LOL. Someone needs to remind him about the investment and opportunities created by the Center in Karnataka, including in Bangalore. May be ISRO and other organisations should be relocated in North India completely in future. If these guys are so  capable of building their states and cities (Bangalore etc.) on their own like they claim now to have done in the past, then why don't they get together and build Amaravati (Andhra capital) without asking the Center to pay for it?
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Post by Ponniyin Selvan on Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:10 pm

Actually there is nothing like money from the centre, it is all collected from people who belong to the states. 

If people come out of drinking the koolaid and how they got fooled by India which is actually "Hindia" and ask for their share what is the problem?.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:19 am

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:Actually there is nothing like money from the centre, it is all collected from people who belong to the states. 

If people come out of drinking the koolaid and how they got fooled by India which is actually "Hindia" and ask for their share what is the problem?.

To show that it was all due to themselves including their own money creating everything in South, why don't they get together and build Amaravati (Andhra capital) without asking the Center to pay for it?
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Post by Ponniyin Selvan on Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:34 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Ponniyin Selvan wrote:Actually there is nothing like money from the centre, it is all collected from people who belong to the states. 

If people come out of drinking the koolaid and how they got fooled by India which is actually "Hindia" and ask for their share what is the problem?.

To show that it was all due to themselves including their own money creating everything in South, why don't they get together and build Amaravati (Andhra capital) without asking the Center to pay for it?

Good question. Let the Indian union disintegrate peacefully into many independent states and we can definitely do it. 

Like Siddaramaiah mentioned many states are bigger than many European countries.

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