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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:29 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/opinion/brooks-the-fertility-implosion.html


Even the countries with healthier demographics are facing problems.
India, for example, will continue to produce plenty of young workers. By
2030, according to the Vienna Institute of Demography, India will have
100 million relatively educated young men, compared with fewer than 75
million in China.

But India faces a regional challenge. Population growth is high in the
northern parts of the country, where people tend to be poorer and less
educated. Meanwhile, fertility rates in the southern parts of the
country, where people are richer and better educated, are already below
replacement levels.

the message for northindians is clear -- teach your children to read and write your own language. it's a colossal waste of your energy and resources to try to prachar hindi to southern indians.
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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:37 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/opinion/brooks-the-fertility-implosion.html


Even the countries with healthier demographics are facing problems.
India, for example, will continue to produce plenty of young workers. By
2030, according to the Vienna Institute of Demography, India will have
100 million relatively educated young men, compared with fewer than 75
million in China.

But India faces a regional challenge. Population growth is high in the
northern parts of the country, where people tend to be poorer and less
educated. Meanwhile, fertility rates in the southern parts of the
country, where people are richer and better educated, are already below
replacement levels.

the message for northindians is clear -- teach your children to read and write your own language. it's a colossal waste of your energy and resources to try to prachar hindi to southern indians.

Learn Spoken Hindi at your convenience, with over 8000 students that include Bank Vice Presidents, top doctors, lawyers from leading powerhouses such as Apollo Hospitals, Standard Chartered, Allahabad Bank, Infosys, TCS, CavinKare, SpiceJet to name a few. We have grown to over five branches covering every direction in Chennai from T.Nagar to Anna Nagar, Adyar to Mylapore and even in St. Thomas Mount over the last eight years.


We offer both Weekday and Weekend Classes to go with highly trained and experienced teachers, you do not have to look anywhere else, but why take our word for it? See the class for yourselves and live the experience.
We are Chennai's biggest, most prestigious Spoken Hindi Language Training Center.


In addition to a physical presence, we are starting for the first time in India and by all means the first time in the World, Spoken Hindi Classes ONLINE!

Just goto our Hindi Classes Online page to know how to join our Spoken Hindi Class online. And if you want to come and learn in our Class, not to worry, we have that as well. So take your pick and start learning Hindi today!


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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:41 am

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/opinion/brooks-the-fertility-implosion.html


Even the countries with healthier demographics are facing problems.
India, for example, will continue to produce plenty of young workers. By
2030, according to the Vienna Institute of Demography, India will have
100 million relatively educated young men, compared with fewer than 75
million in China.

But India faces a regional challenge. Population growth is high in the
northern parts of the country, where people tend to be poorer and less
educated. Meanwhile, fertility rates in the southern parts of the
country, where people are richer and better educated, are already below
replacement levels.

the message for northindians is clear -- teach your children to read and write your own language. it's a colossal waste of your energy and resources to try to prachar hindi to southern indians.

Learn Spoken Hindi at your convenience, with over 8000 students that include Bank Vice Presidents, top doctors, lawyers from leading powerhouses such as Apollo Hospitals, Standard Chartered, Allahabad Bank, Infosys, TCS, CavinKare, SpiceJet to name a few. We have grown to over five branches covering every direction in Chennai from T.Nagar to Anna Nagar, Adyar to Mylapore and even in St. Thomas Mount over the last eight years.


We offer both Weekday and Weekend Classes to go with highly trained and experienced teachers, you do not have to look anywhere else, but why take our word for it? See the class for yourselves and live the experience.
We are Chennai's biggest, most prestigious Spoken Hindi Language Training Center.


In addition to a physical presence, we are starting for the first time in India and by all means the first time in the World, Spoken Hindi Classes ONLINE!


Just goto our Hindi Classes Online page to know how to join our Spoken Hindi Class online. And if you want to come and learn in our Class, not to worry, we have that as well. So take your pick and start learning Hindi today!


http://chennai.click.in/classified/education-learning/language-classes/roys-institute-spoken-hindi-rishindi-617294.html

is chennai becoming an international center for hindi education? should unemployed youth of U.P. and Bihar who are proficient in hindi consider moving to Chennai to become Hindi teachers?

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:42 am

how is a private business enterprise relevant to my objection about spending tax revenue on a foolhardy endeavour? thoda socho.
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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:49 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:how is a private business enterprise relevant to my objection about spending tax revenue on a foolhardy endeavour? thoda socho.

just one private hindi training center claims it has more than 8,000 students. this just tells you the level of enthusiasm for hindi in TN. why should people of TN spend their hard earned money on expensive private tuitions and private businesses when they could get the same education for a fraction of the cost through govt. centers which could run on the basis of no profit no loss. in other words, the govt. centers can be self-sustaining through the revenue collected by the people who wish to learn hindi.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:53 am

the question is why you would want to spend money giving literate and well-educated chennaivasis something extra, over and above what they already have in abundance (relative to your people that is, not in absolute terms), instead of using the same resources to make more people from your own state and your neighboring states literate first. why this generosity?
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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:14 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:the question is why you would want to spend money giving literate and well-educated chennaivasis something extra, over and above what they already have in abundance (relative to your people that is, not in absolute terms), instead of using the same resources to make more people from your own state and your neighboring states literate first. why this generosity?

it is not a question of generosity. it is a demand-supply thing and notice that i am suggesting any govt. endeavor in this direction should be on the basis of no profit-no loss to avoid any controversy. when so many chennaivasis want to learn hindi, it makes sense to make hindi education available to them at cheaper rates than what private businesses charge them.


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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:21 am

of all the million priorities you could be focusing on, teaching hindi to chennaivasis is what you want to spend your time and resources doing! no wonder your region of the country is so f*ed up.
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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:25 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:of all the million priorities you could be focusing on, teaching hindi to chennaivasis is what you want to spend your time and resources doing! no wonder your region of the country is so f*ed up.

in order to progress we need to perform multiple tasks in parallel instead of doing so sequentially.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:30 am

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:of all the million priorities you could be focusing on, teaching hindi to chennaivasis is what you want to spend your time and resources doing! no wonder your region of the country is so f*ed up.

in order to progress we need to perform multiple tasks in parallel instead of doing so sequentially.

when you have a tsunami, the first thing you need to do is to get out of the way, not plant carrots in your vegetable garden.
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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:34 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:of all the million priorities you could be focusing on, teaching hindi to chennaivasis is what you want to spend your time and resources doing! no wonder your region of the country is so f*ed up.

in order to progress we need to perform multiple tasks in parallel instead of doing so sequentially.

when you have a tsunami, the first thing you need to do is to get out of the way, not plant carrots in your vegetable garden.

once total literacy is obtained in places like uttar pradesh, would you approve of govt. institutes in chennai teaching hindi to chennaivasis on the basis of no profit-no loss?

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Post by chameli Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:38 am

what exactly does this dope max say ?

teach ur children ur language .. ? which language is that ?Hindi continues to be the spoken language in major parts of India

it's time the South learnt it

not always can one equate the number of children one has with the extent of the person's education .

there should be a law all over India against too many childbirths

two is plenty per family

contraceptive methods including sterilisation should be pushed like crazy and punishment applied where the law is broken

yes just like china did
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:45 am

chameli wrote:what exactly does this dope max say ?

teach ur children ur language .. ?


literacy rates of a few states of interest from the 2011 census (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_states_ranking_by_literacy_rate):

utthar pradesh: 69.7, bihar: 63.8, rajasthan:
67.1, madhya pradesh: 70.6

apparently about 30% of people in utthar pradesh and madhya pradesh, 33% in rajasthan, and 36% in bihar can't read or write their native tongue. addressing that is far more important before pracharing hindi to the rest of the country.
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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:47 am

chameli wrote:what exactly does this dope max say ?

teach ur children ur language .. ? which language is that ?Hindi continues to be the spoken language in major parts of India

it's time the South learnt it

not always can one equate the number of children one has with the extent of the person's education .

there should be a law all over India against too many childbirths

two is plenty per family

contraceptive methods including sterilisation should be pushed like crazy and punishment applied where the law is broken

yes just like china did

South India already has a glorious tradition in the Dakhini language. So there is no question of South India being unacquainted with hindi. Having said that it is upto South Indians whether they wish to learn hindi or not. Nobody should force anyone to learn hindi, just as nobody should force anyone not to learn hindi.


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Post by Hellsangel Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:49 am

chameli wrote:what exactly does this dope max say ?

teach ur children ur language .. ? which language is that ?Hindi continues to be the spoken language in major parts of India

it's time the South learnt it

Nice. Glad your granny bf is willing to overlook this. He must be really starved for company.


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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:50 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
chameli wrote:what exactly does this dope max say ?

teach ur children ur language .. ?


literacy rates of a few states of interest from the 2011 census (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_states_ranking_by_literacy_rate):

utthar pradesh: 69.7, bihar: 63.8, rajasthan:
67.1, madhya pradesh: 70.6

apparently about 30% of people in utthar pradesh and madhya pradesh, 33% in rajasthan, and 36% in bihar can't read or write their native tongue. addressing that is far more important before pracharing hindi to the rest of the country.

once tamils learn some hindi unemployed youth in TN can come and work in UP and Bihar and other states as english teachers. There is an acute shortage of good english teachers in north indian states and the whole world knows that the english of many tamils is quite good.
The future is english, and not hindi or tamil.

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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:54 am

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
chameli wrote:what exactly does this dope max say ?

teach ur children ur language .. ?


literacy rates of a few states of interest from the 2011 census (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_states_ranking_by_literacy_rate):

utthar pradesh: 69.7, bihar: 63.8, rajasthan:
67.1, madhya pradesh: 70.6

apparently about 30% of people in utthar pradesh and madhya pradesh, 33% in rajasthan, and 36% in bihar can't read or write their native tongue. addressing that is far more important before pracharing hindi to the rest of the country.

once tamils learn some hindi unemployed youth in TN can come and work in UP and Bihar and other states as english teachers. There is an acute shortage of good english teachers in north indian states and the whole world knows that the english of many tamils is quite good.
The future is english, and not hindi or tamil.

Also, tamils with some knowledge of hindi will find it easier to work in north india as justice sathasivam points out:

BHAVANI: Students must learn English, Hindi and computer science to be competitive, Supreme Court judge Justice P. Sathasivam has said.

Participating at a function organised in his honour at the Government Higher Secondary School, Singampettai, his alma mater, he said at a time when very many multinational companies had set up and were setting up industries because of liberalisation, students had job opportunities in plenty, which they must make use of.

To do so, they must be as competent in English as in Tamil. “Good command over English will you put in good stead and help get a job,” he told the students.

Mr. Justice Sathasivam also asked the students to develop proficiency in Hindi. Recalling his short stint as the Chief Justice of the High Court in Chandigarh, he said in most of the North Indian states Hindi was the medium of communication, which if the students learnt would do well to get placed in industries or companies there.

“The States [North Indian] are also fast becoming industrialised and in becoming so, plenty of job opportunities are being created. The students to get employed there, will do well to have a mastery of the language.”


http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/30/stories/2009063054900500.htm

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Post by chameli Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:34 am

Rashmun,

i believe in one common language for the country however diverse

learning ones own language of course is necessay and does factor into it .

yes Hindi should be "shoved "down the throats of all Indians ..

we should be proud of it

English taught side by side of course

one of the reasons why Indians havent progressed as well as china and japan is this ..a lack of a language binding us together

and please don't say like idiot Max does "Why not Tamil then as common language ? "
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Post by Propagandhi711 Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:40 am

Hellsangel wrote:
chameli wrote:what exactly does this dope max say ?

teach ur children ur language .. ? which language is that ?Hindi continues to be the spoken language in major parts of India

it's time the South learnt it

Nice. Glad your granny bf is willing to overlook this. He must be really starved for company.

the virile granny is maintaining strategic silence on this item keeping in mind future possibilities of an e-sexual nature with an e-tranny.

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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:44 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
chameli wrote:what exactly does this dope max say ?

teach ur children ur language .. ? which language is that ?Hindi continues to be the spoken language in major parts of India

it's time the South learnt it

Nice. Glad your granny bf is willing to overlook this. He must be really starved for company.

the virile granny is maintaining strategic silence on this item keeping in mind future possibilities of an e-sexual nature with an e-tranny.

Even after i responded to that post of Chameli,

Loony Gultis keep on doing Ulti.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:46 am

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:of all the million priorities you could be focusing on, teaching hindi to chennaivasis is what you want to spend your time and resources doing! no wonder your region of the country is so f*ed up.

in order to progress we need to perform multiple tasks in parallel instead of doing so sequentially.

when you have a tsunami, the first thing you need to do is to get out of the way, not plant carrots in your vegetable garden.

once total literacy is obtained in places like uttar pradesh, would you approve of govt. institutes in chennai teaching hindi to chennaivasis on the basis of no profit-no loss?

100% literacy in all states including TN. TN is doing only a little better at 80% literacy. free high quality K-12 education for all indians in their own language is of the highest priority. equally important is 100% adult literacy. pushing specific languages is not a role for the central government. the marketplace will take care of that.
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chameli wrote:Rashmun,

i believe in one common language for the country however diverse

learning ones own language of course is necessay and does factor into it .

yes Hindi should be "shoved "down the throats of all Indians ..

we should be proud of it

English taught side by side of course

one of the reasons why Indians havent progressed as well as china and japan is this ..a lack of a language binding us together

and please don't say like idiot Max does "Why not Tamil then as common language ? "

1. i believe that english is the language of the future. all the latest science and technology books and research papers are in english. english will some day be known by all Indians, and indeed by everyone in the world.

2. I do not believe in shoving hindi down the throat of all Indians. It has been tried before. It didn't work. It will never work so long as there is democracy in India. There should never be any force on the language issue.

3. It is wrong to say that South Indians are not taking an interest in Hindi. Former Andhra CM YS Rajashekhar Reddy was a great proponent of promoting hindi in AP. And Chandrababu Naidu personally learnt hindi so that he could give speeches in north india.

The following article is of relevance in this connection. Please take a look at it:

http://www.makarand.com/acad/HindiHainHum.htm

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:03 am

chameli wrote:Rashmun,


one of the reasons why Indians havent progressed as well as china and japan is this ..a lack of a language binding us together

and please don't say like idiot Max does "Why not Tamil then as common language ? "

chameli -- the idiot here is you. the NY times article is about declining fertility rates and the effect on the aging populations around the world. as populations age and birth rates decline, there aren't enough younger workers to pay into the government mandated (i.e. like social security in the US) or traditional support structures (like indians taking care of their aging parents) for the non-working aging population. india is a country that does not have that problem because of the still high fertility rates of northindians. however, low productivity due to lack of education including basic literacy on the part of indians, particularly northindians is going to be a big problem. the solution to this is not hindi pracharing in the south but hindi pracharing in the north.

hope that helps.
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MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
chameli wrote:Rashmun,


one of the reasons why Indians havent progressed as well as china and japan is this ..a lack of a language binding us together

and please don't say like idiot Max does "Why not Tamil then as common language ? "

chameli -- the idiot here is you. the NY times article is about declining fertility rates and the effect on the aging populations around the world. as populations age and birth rates decline, there aren't enough younger workers to pay into the government mandated (i.e. like social security in the US) or traditional support structures (like indians taking care of their aging parents) for the non-working aging population. india is a country that does not have that problem because of the still high fertility rates of northindians. however, low productivity due to lack of education including basic literacy on the part of indians, particularly northindians is going to be a big problem. the solution to this is not hindi pracharing in the south but hindi pracharing in the north.

hope that helps.

in your opinion, should the following organization be scrapped?

http://aphindiacademy.org/e-home.html

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Post by chameli Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:06 am

max idu man

i am not talking about the article although that was ur main thrust . i am talking about Hindi as the common language of India

is it ok i mean ok to veer off the subject ..just because i want to ?
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Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
chameli wrote:Rashmun,


one of the reasons why Indians havent progressed as well as china and japan is this ..a lack of a language binding us together

and please don't say like idiot Max does "Why not Tamil then as common language ? "

chameli -- the idiot here is you. the NY times article is about declining fertility rates and the effect on the aging populations around the world. as populations age and birth rates decline, there aren't enough younger workers to pay into the government mandated (i.e. like social security in the US) or traditional support structures (like indians taking care of their aging parents) for the non-working aging population. india is a country that does not have that problem because of the still high fertility rates of northindians. however, low productivity due to lack of education including basic literacy on the part of indians, particularly northindians is going to be a big problem. the solution to this is not hindi pracharing in the south but hindi pracharing in the north.

hope that helps.

in your opinion, should the following organization be scrapped?

http://aphindiacademy.org/e-home.html

it seems like it has scrapped itself.

Sorry, the page you were looking for could not be found

Showing related results for: http://aphindiacademy.org/e-home.html

which is how it should be if it is central government funded.
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MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
chameli wrote:Rashmun,


one of the reasons why Indians havent progressed as well as china and japan is this ..a lack of a language binding us together

and please don't say like idiot Max does "Why not Tamil then as common language ? "

chameli -- the idiot here is you. the NY times article is about declining fertility rates and the effect on the aging populations around the world. as populations age and birth rates decline, there aren't enough younger workers to pay into the government mandated (i.e. like social security in the US) or traditional support structures (like indians taking care of their aging parents) for the non-working aging population. india is a country that does not have that problem because of the still high fertility rates of northindians. however, low productivity due to lack of education including basic literacy on the part of indians, particularly northindians is going to be a big problem. the solution to this is not hindi pracharing in the south but hindi pracharing in the north.

hope that helps.

in your opinion, should the following organization be scrapped?

http://aphindiacademy.org/e-home.html

it seems like it has scrapped itself.

Sorry, the page you were looking for could not be found

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which is how it should be if it is central government funded.

i am able to open the site from my computer. Anyways, this is what the front page looks like:


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Honorable Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh Dr. Y S Rajashekara Reddy initiated the concept of propaganda of Hindi language.In order to encourage Telugu people to write scripts that would reflect Telugu language, culture in National Level.
Keeping this in view this great concept, Parliamentary Official Language Vice-Chairman – Ex Parliament Chairman – Andhra University Hindi Department Chairman – Acharya Yarlagadda Lakshmi Prasad has re-started Andhra Pradesh Hindi Academy. It was inaugurated by Dr. Y S Rajashekara Reddy.


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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:23 am

rashmun -- i've said what i needed to. just because some southern indian judges and politicians who appear to be addle-headed thinkers support your cause, i'm not going to change my mind. so you can stop cutting and pasting if the reason you are doing so is to change my opinion. in my opinion they have some agenda of their own, or just simply haven't thought through the issue, or are just plain idiots. it doesn't matter to me.
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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:52 am

This thread is proof enough that the Narthies need education. This thread is about uneven population in India and its consequences, and all that Rashmun and Co can talk about are hindi imposition, spreading Hindi, Dhakni, blah, blah, and more blah.

Why would the Southies learn hindi only to become like them?

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Post by chameli Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:15 pm

rashmun,

If we all believed in India and her potential to be number one we would do whatever it takes to bring her forward ( Japan )

this democracy then if it holds us back should be repaired a bit and a benign socialist dictatorship put in its place

that will take care of controlling population for sure ( like china )

which once again we are not able to do because it infringes on the rights of the minority

then we would be able to teach our brethren civic sense and cleanliness ( singapore )

our corruption too would be examined closely and the perpetrators punished to the full extent of the law

our poor would be looked after

one for all and all for one

sir
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Post by charvaka Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:21 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote: addle-headed thinkers ... just simply haven't thought through ...
This certainly seems to be the problem with the latest copy paste. Promoting Telugu language and culture by teaching Telugus other scripts... would be funny if AP had a high literacy rate. When a quarter of your people can't read or write their own script this is truly addle headed thinking.
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Post by charvaka Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:29 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/opinion/brooks-the-fertility-implosion.html


Even the countries with healthier demographics are facing problems.
India, for example, will continue to produce plenty of young workers. By
2030, according to the Vienna Institute of Demography, India will have
100 million relatively educated young men, compared with fewer than 75
million in China.

But India faces a regional challenge. Population growth is high in the
northern parts of the country, where people tend to be poorer and less
educated. Meanwhile, fertility rates in the southern parts of the
country, where people are richer and better educated, are already below
replacement levels.
I can't read the full article on the phone but this extract does not address a fundamental implication for India. As this demographic divide continues the Bimaru states will get more seats in Parliament at the expense of the south over time. This poses a conundrum... fair representation against good policy that rewards good behavior and penalizes bad.

the message for northindians is clear -- teach your children to read and write your own language. it's a colossal waste of your energy and resources to try to prachar hindi to southern indians.[/quote]
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Post by Hellsangel Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:43 pm

Nothing is a more colossal waste of breath than ramming a language down on people who don't speak it.
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:47 pm

it is amazing that despite being bludgeoned on the head with facts, northindians like rashmun (i'll ignore rupaul who seems even more impervious to logic and try to address the most optimistic case) stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that india has first and foremost a literacy problem which has its worst manifestation in the north; and that idiotic projects like subsidized hindi classes to suburban chennaivasis is going to do nothing to solve it and is in fact a distraction. wow!
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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:48 pm

charvaka wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/opinion/brooks-the-fertility-implosion.html


Even the countries with healthier demographics are facing problems.
India, for example, will continue to produce plenty of young workers. By
2030, according to the Vienna Institute of Demography, India will have
100 million relatively educated young men, compared with fewer than 75
million in China.

But India faces a regional challenge. Population growth is high in the
northern parts of the country, where people tend to be poorer and less
educated. Meanwhile, fertility rates in the southern parts of the
country, where people are richer and better educated, are already below
replacement levels.
I can't read the full article on the phone but this extract does not address a fundamental implication for India. As this demographic divide continues the Bimaru states will get more seats in Parliament at the expense of the south over time. This poses a conundrum... fair representation against good policy that rewards good behavior and penalizes bad.

the message for northindians is clear -- teach your children to read and write your own language. it's a colossal waste of your energy and resources to try to prachar hindi to southern indians.
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This issue has already been resolved. UP and Bihar MPs already pointed out that in accordance with the population of UP and Bihar, their proportional representation in Lok Sabha should be increased. MPs of other states (particularly southern states) pointed out that these other states should not be penalized for more effective population control. The magnanimous UP and Bihar MPs agreed.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:50 pm

rashmun if you want to spend extra tax revenue on TN please give it directly to us. we are better off spending it on the 20% tamilians who cannot read or write. they need it more than the suburban chennaivasis who want to learn hindi.
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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:51 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it is amazing that despite being bludgeoned on the head with facts, northindians like rashmun (i'll ignore rupaul who seems even more impervious to logic and try to address the most optimistic case) stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that india has first and foremost a literacy problem which has its worst manifestation in the north; and that idiotic projects like subsidized hindi classes to suburban chennaivasis is going to do nothing to solve it and is in fact a distraction. wow!

No i agree that you are raising an important point. what i am pointing out is that there are south indian judges and politicians who wish to promote hindi in the southern states. Moreover, there are many southerners who are very keen to learn hindi.

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Post by chameli Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:18 pm

idiot max,

why does it have to be "do this first and we will look at the other problem later "?

it is a process all of it .. and needs to be handled side by side

we realize the south is brilliant , we realize the north is dumbo

but we also realize that the country has to come together under a common lanugage

this will improve communication , industry ,education everything

also needs a higher level of thinking a noble level if u will

you are talking pretty much like what i see on chat and forum.

".it is us against them ..are u with us or not ? "
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Post by Guest Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:38 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/opinion/brooks-the-fertility-implosion.html


Even the countries with healthier demographics are facing problems.
India, for example, will continue to produce plenty of young workers. By
2030, according to the Vienna Institute of Demography, India will have
100 million relatively educated young men, compared with fewer than 75
million in China.

But India faces a regional challenge. Population growth is high in the
northern parts of the country, where people tend to be poorer and less
educated. Meanwhile, fertility rates in the southern parts of the
country, where people are richer and better educated, are already below
replacement levels.

the message for northindians is clear -- teach your children to read and write your own language. it's a colossal waste of your energy and resources to try to prachar hindi to southern indians.

you sounded just like i will sound when i say, the message to southindians is clear - - make more babies and increase the total number of rich educated people from india.

lol!

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Post by artood2 Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:18 pm

Oh the professor took into account all the immigration patterns, growth rates, literacy rate improvement etc while coming up with his conclusion.
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Post by Another Brick Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:55 am

before reading this thread - afro

after reading this thread - tearing hair out

this got to be discussed evVVrrrrYYY week. eVVVrrRrrrYY month. evvwwrrYYY year. year after year. forever.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:14 am

Another Brick wrote:before reading this thread - afro

after reading this thread - tearing hair out

this got to be discussed evVVrrrrYYY week. eVVVrrRrrrYY month. evvwwrrYYY year. year after year. forever.


Not to worry....As long as we have the Maulana here, your wish will be fulfilled.

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