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Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Sat May 05, 2012 10:52 pm

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36 ... θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya
37 tuvam kā xšāyaθiya hya aparam āhy hacā draugā daršam
38 patipayauvā martiya hya draujana ahatiy avam ufraštam parsā yadiy
39 avaθā maniyāhaiy dahyāušmaiy duruvā ahatiy
40 θātiy Dārayavauš xsāyaθiya ima tya adam akunavam
41 vašnā Auramazdāha hamahyāyā θarda akunavam tuvam kā hya
42 aparam imām dipim patiparsāhy tya manā kartam varnavatām
43 θuvām mātya draugam maniyāhay θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya
44 Auramazdāha ragam vartaiyaiy yaθā ima hašiyam naiy duruxtam
45 adam akunavam hamahyāyā θarda ...


50 ... θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya tyaiy
51 paruvā xšāyaθiyā yātā āha avaišām avā naiy astiy kartam
52 yaθā manā vašnā Auramazdāha hamahyāyā θarda kartam θātiy
53 Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya nūram θuvām varnavatām tya manā
54 kartam avaθā kārahyā rādiy mā apagaudaya yadiy imām
55 hadugām naiy apagaudayāhy kārahyā θāhy Auramazdā θuvām
56 dauštā biyā utātaiy taumā vasiy biyā utā dargam jīvā
57 θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya yadiy imām hadugām apagaudayāhy
58 naiy θāhy kārahyā Auramazdātay jatā biyā utātaiy taumā
59 mā biyā θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya ima tya adam akunavam
60 hamahyāya θarda vašnā Auramazdāha akunavam Auramazdāmaiy upastām
61 abara utā aniyāha bagāha tyaiy hatiy θātiy Dārayavauš
62 xšāyaθiya avahyarādiy Auramazdā upastām abara utā aniyāha
63 bagāha tyaiy hatiy yaθā naiy arika āham naiy draujana āham naiy
64 zūrakara āham naiy adam naimaiy taumā upariy arštām upariyāyam
65 naiy škaurim naiy tunuvatam zūra akunavam martiya hya hamataxšatā
66 manā viθiyā avam ubartam abaram hya viyanāθaya avam ufraštam
67 aparsam θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya tuvam kā xšāyaθiya
68 hya aparam āhy martiya hya draujana ahatiy hyavā zūrakara ahatiy
69 avaiy mā dauštā biyā ufraštādiy parsā ...

a bit of phonetic guidance for yoru reading:
θ = th
ā = A; as in part
xš = ksh
š = sh

where do you think the copy-pasted text is from?




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Re: without googling try figuring out what language this is

Post by Guest on Sat May 05, 2012 10:54 pm

is it avestan?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:<blockquote>
36 ... θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya
37 tuvam kā xšāyaθiya hya aparam āhy hacā draugā daršam
38 patipayauvā martiya hya draujana ahatiy avam ufraštam parsā yadiy
39 avaθā maniyāhaiy dahyāušmaiy duruvā ahatiy
40 θātiy Dārayavauš xsāyaθiya ima tya adam akunavam
41 vašnā Auramazdāha hamahyāyā θarda akunavam tuvam kā hya
42 aparam imām dipim patiparsāhy tya manā kartam varnavatām
43 θuvām mātya draugam maniyāhay θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya
44 Auramazdāha ragam vartaiyaiy yaθā ima hašiyam naiy duruxtam
45 adam akunavam hamahyāyā θarda ...


50 ... θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya tyaiy
51 paruvā xšāyaθiyā yātā āha avaišām avā naiy astiy kartam
52 yaθā manā vašnā Auramazdāha hamahyāyā θarda kartam θātiy
53 Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya nūram θuvām varnavatām tya manā
54 kartam avaθā kārahyā rādiy mā apagaudaya yadiy imām
55 hadugām naiy apagaudayāhy kārahyā θāhy Auramazdā θuvām
56 dauštā biyā utātaiy taumā vasiy biyā utā dargam jīvā
57 θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya yadiy imām hadugām apagaudayāhy
58 naiy θāhy kārahyā Auramazdātay jatā biyā utātaiy taumā
59 mā biyā θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya ima tya adam akunavam
60 hamahyāya θarda vašnā Auramazdāha akunavam Auramazdāmaiy upastām
61 abara utā aniyāha bagāha tyaiy hatiy θātiy Dārayavauš
62 xšāyaθiya avahyarādiy Auramazdā upastām abara utā aniyāha
63 bagāha tyaiy hatiy yaθā naiy arika āham naiy draujana āham naiy
64 zūrakara āham naiy adam naimaiy taumā upariy arštām upariyāyam
65 naiy škaurim naiy tunuvatam zūra akunavam martiya hya hamataxšatā
66 manā viθiyā avam ubartam abaram hya viyanāθaya avam ufraštam
67 aparsam θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya tuvam kā xšāyaθiya
68 hya aparam āhy martiya hya draujana ahatiy hyavā zūrakara ahatiy
69 avaiy mā dauštā biyā ufraštādiy parsā ...

a bit of phonetic guidance for yoru reading:
θ = th
ā = A; as in part
xš = ksh
š = sh

where do you think the copy-pasted text is from?




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Re: without googling try figuring out what language this is

Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Sat May 05, 2012 10:54 pm

Rashmun wrote:is it avestan?


very close. almost.

with some phonetic changes and a good sanskrit dictionary and a lot of time you can probably figure out the meaning of the passage. amazing.
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Re: without googling try figuring out what language this is

Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Sat May 05, 2012 11:06 pm

anyway rashmun it is officially listed as old persian although if you put it in front of me i'd have guessed avestan too. when you read it out loud it definitely sounds like avestan what with the references to king daryush and ahura mazda.

for those with an interest in PIE, an interesting website:

http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/iedocctr/ie.html
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Re: without googling try figuring out what language this is

Post by Rashmun on Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:25 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:anyway rashmun it is officially listed as old persian although if you put it in front of me i'd have guessed avestan too. when you read it out loud it definitely sounds like avestan what with the references to king daryush and ahura mazda.

for those with an interest in PIE, an interesting website:

http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/iedocctr/ie.html

Max, i thought avestan and old persian meant the same thing. what is the difference between the two?

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Re: without googling try figuring out what language this is

Post by pravalika nanda on Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:48 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:<blockquote>
36 ... θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya
37 tuvam kā xšāyaθiya hya aparam āhy hacā draugā daršam
38 patipayauvā martiya hya draujana ahatiy avam ufraštam parsā yadiy
39 avaθā maniyāhaiy dahyāušmaiy duruvā ahatiy
40 θātiy Dārayavauš xsāyaθiya ima tya adam akunavam
41 vašnā Auramazdāha hamahyāyā θarda akunavam tuvam kā hya
42 aparam imām dipim patiparsāhy tya manā kartam varnavatām
43 θuvām mātya draugam maniyāhay θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya
44 Auramazdāha ragam vartaiyaiy yaθā ima hašiyam naiy duruxtam
45 adam akunavam hamahyāyā θarda ...


50 ... θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya tyaiy
51 paruvā xšāyaθiyā yātā āha avaišām avā naiy astiy kartam
52 yaθā manā vašnā Auramazdāha hamahyāyā θarda kartam θātiy
53 Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya nūram θuvām varnavatām tya manā
54 kartam avaθā kārahyā rādiy mā apagaudaya yadiy imām
55 hadugām naiy apagaudayāhy kārahyā θāhy Auramazdā θuvām
56 dauštā biyā utātaiy taumā vasiy biyā utā dargam jīvā
57 θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya yadiy imām hadugām apagaudayāhy
58 naiy θāhy kārahyā Auramazdātay jatā biyā utātaiy taumā
59 mā biyā θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya ima tya adam akunavam
60 hamahyāya θarda vašnā Auramazdāha akunavam Auramazdāmaiy upastām
61 abara utā aniyāha bagāha tyaiy hatiy θātiy Dārayavauš
62 xšāyaθiya avahyarādiy Auramazdā upastām abara utā aniyāha
63 bagāha tyaiy hatiy yaθā naiy arika āham naiy draujana āham naiy
64 zūrakara āham naiy adam naimaiy taumā upariy arštām upariyāyam
65 naiy škaurim naiy tunuvatam zūra akunavam martiya hya hamataxšatā
66 manā viθiyā avam ubartam abaram hya viyanāθaya avam ufraštam
67 aparsam θātiy Dārayavauš xšāyaθiya tuvam kā xšāyaθiya
68 hya aparam āhy martiya hya draujana ahatiy hyavā zūrakara ahatiy
69 avaiy mā dauštā biyā ufraštādiy parsā ...

a bit of phonetic guidance for yoru reading:
θ = th
ā = A; as in part
xš = ksh
š = sh

where do you think the copy-pasted text is from?




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dude, i think it's avestan

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Re: without googling try figuring out what language this is

Post by Seva Lamberdar on Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:16 am

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:anyway rashmun it is officially listed as old persian although if you put it in front of me i'd have guessed avestan too. when you read it out loud it definitely sounds like avestan what with the references to king daryush and ahura mazda.

for those with an interest in PIE, an interesting website:

http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/iedocctr/ie.html

Max, i thought avestan and old persian meant the same thing. what is the difference between the two? 
Don't you know?  Old Persian is Avestan and the new Persian is Farsi which (the latter) itself has many Avestan / Sanskrit words and their derivatives.

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Re: without googling try figuring out what language this is

Post by Rashmun on Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:26 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:anyway rashmun it is officially listed as old persian although if you put it in front of me i'd have guessed avestan too. when you read it out loud it definitely sounds like avestan what with the references to king daryush and ahura mazda.

for those with an interest in PIE, an interesting website:

http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/iedocctr/ie.html

Max, i thought avestan and old persian meant the same thing. what is the difference between the two? 
Don't you know?  Old Persian is Avestan and the new Persian is Farsi which (the latter) itself has many Avestan / Sanskrit words and their derivatives.

thats what i thought as well.

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Re: without googling try figuring out what language this is

Post by MaxEntropy_Man on Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:28 am

Could be, I don't know. Wiki seemed to suggest that there are some differences. I just find this subject fascinating although can't say I have any first hand insight, since I barely know Sanskrit, let alone Avestan.
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