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Post by Seva Lamberdar Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:23 am

Genetic testing issues in the study of ancient population migrations in India:

http://education.sulekha.com/genetic-testing-issues-in-the-study-of-ancient-population-migrations-in-india_594422_blog
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Post by Guest Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:31 am

So.

South Indians <=> middle easterners and
North Indians <=> Europeans.

Hmm.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:54 am

Natalia Romanova wrote:So.
South Indians <=> middle easterners and
North Indians <=> Europeans.
Hmm.

No, there is no evidence of that according to the above essay.

Anyway, as explained further in the following comment (to the blog), there is little in terms of outside influences.

As pointed out in the essay, because of the practical, scientific and statistical issues, there are serious problems in “calling” South Indians’ genes as African genes or calling North Indians’ genes as European / Central Asian genes.

Even if one believes in the Out of Africa hypothesis (which might or might not be valid and is based on a few accidental findings of very old human skeletal remains in Africa), the chances of South Indians exclusively having the African / Middle Eastern gene and North Indians exclusively having the European / Central Asian gene are very small.

There is no proper explanation so far as to why did the genes traveling a long distance from Africa into South India (via the Middle East) suddenly stop at the puny Vindhyas without spilling over and spreading in North India significantly (in large percentage of population, as much as in south India) initially or in the subsequent thousands of years?

Similarly, there is no proper explanation so far as to why did the genes traveling a long distance (even after crossing the high, rugged and treacherous Himalayas) from Europe / Central Asia into North India suddenly stop at the puny Vindhyas without spilling over and spreading in South India significantly (in large percentage of population, as much as in North India) initially or in the subsequent thousands of years?

The above (genetic discontinuity across the puny Vindhyas, almost the inconspicuous North India – South India divide) indicates that South Indians sharing any genetic markers with people in the Middle East (Africa) which are absent (or present only in small quantity) in North Indians, and North Indians sharing any genetic markers with people in Europe / Central Asia which are absent (or present only in small quantity) in South Indians, has probably little to do with migrations to India from the Middle East and Europe etc. or from India to Europe and Middle East etc.

Conversely, while taking into consideration the inability of genetic markers to cross over the puny Vindhyas (in spite of travelling over thousands of rugged and treacherous miles), the similarity in a few genetic markers of people in the Middle East and South India, and in Europe / Central Asia and North India, seems to be the result of long term similar environments and lifestyles for people in the Middle East and South India, and Europe / Central Asia and North India.

Moreover, what some people consider the presence of an African gene in South Indians, that in reality might be the “environmental” gene (due to the effect of similar climatic conditions on people in Africa and South India over the millennia) rather than “migrational” gene (people migrating thousands of years ago from Africa to South India or the other way around).

Incidentally, the presence of this “environmental” gene in Africans and South Indians is quite apparent and visually noticeable by their “darkish” skin color. To put it differently, the presence of this gene, reflecting also the darkish complexion in Africans and South Indians, is a sign of similar environments over the millennia in these places rather than migrations of people between these places millennia ago.
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Post by southindian Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:02 am

Natalia Romanova wrote:So.

South Indians <=> middle easterners and
North Indians <=> Europeans.

Hmm.

No wonder Keralites love to visit Gulf for jobs.

So now, the dude born on 8 June 632 AD in Mecca, be tagged with southindians?
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Post by Petrichor Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:52 am

Seva ji - What do you understand from

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/09/rolloff-analysis-of-south-indian.html

and the comments sections, esp. those by bmdriver?

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:28 pm

atcg wrote:Seva ji - What do you understand from

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/09/rolloff-analysis-of-south-indian.html

and the comments sections, esp. those by bmdriver?



Atcg,

This whole thing involving the genetics and genetic testing (which has questionable justification and relevance to population variations in India) should be considered in the light of "Timeline of Vedas..", the link / post I made earlier..

https://such.forumotion.com/t9095-timeline-for-the-vedas#69748



There is not much use for genetic test results, as indicated in the present blog.
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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:15 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Genetic testing issues in the study of ancient population migrations in India:

http://education.sulekha.com/genetic-testing-issues-in-the-study-of-ancient-population-migrations-in-india_594422_blog

How do you explain Rashmun's love for Tamil and Moghuls? What gene pool does he belong to?

How about PP? He is a Telanganite who doesn't think much of Nizam. He loves Tamil-, Bengali- & Bhaiyya- music.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:39 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote: How do you explain Rashmun's love for Tamil and Moghuls? What gene pool does he belong to?

How about PP? He is a Telanganite who doesn't think much of Nizam. He loves Tamil-, Bengali- & Bhaiyya- music.

Very confusing, Sandilya.
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