Andhra Pradesh: 'Hindi played a key role in the freedom struggle'

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:20 pm

Andhra Pradesh - Kadapa

Importance of Hindi stressed

Special Correspondent
KADAPA: Hindi played a key role in the freedom movement by acting as a link between people of various States, G. Padmaja Devi, Head of Department of Hindi in Sri Venkateswara University, Tirupati, said on Monday.

Addressing the valedictory function of the Hindi fortnight in the LIC divisional office here, she said Mahatma Gandhi advocated wearing of khadi clothes, spinning the charkha and learning of Hindi language during the freedom movement. Telugu-speaking persons could learn Hindi without much difficulty as 75 per cent of the dialects were similar. LIC was conducting its office correspondence in Hindi ever since the language was recognised as national language on September 14, 1950, she said.

LIC senior divisional manager A.V.N. Kumar presided and personnel manager R. Satyanarayana and official language officer H.R. Rehman also spoke. LIC Employees Union leader B.V.S. Raju participated. Prizes were given away to winners of Hindi poetry, essay writing and elocution, translation, quiz, typing, singing and joke reciting competitions conducted by LIC.

http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/30/stories/2008093050860200.htm

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:31 pm

Padmaja Devi is the Head of the department of HINDI. If she says that bhaiyyas are backward, the grants to her department will evaporate.

It is a myth that Hindi-speaking people are solely responsible for India's independence (NIs think that they and not SIs participated in the independence movement - cowbelt GARBAGE talk).

Currently, there is more need for bhaiyyas to learn Marati, Tamil, Telugu and Kannada than for SIs to learn any cowbelt language.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:37 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Padmaja Devi is the Head of the department of HINDI. If she says that bhaiyyas are backward, the grants to her department will evaporate.

It is a myth that Hindi-speaking people are solely responsible for India's independence (NIs think that they and not SIs participated in the independence movement - cowbelt GARBAGE talk).

Currently, there is more need for bhaiyyas to learn Marati, Tamil, Telugu and Kannada than for SIs to learn any cowbelt language.

The point she is making is that we need a link language in India, and Hindi functioned as that link language (enabling people in different states to communicate with each other) during the freedom struggle.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:40 pm

Andhra Pradesh - Tirupati

Importance of Hindi underscored

By Our Staff Reporter

TIRUPATI, MARCH 25. Scientists who had at the Inter-Centre Technical Hindi Seminar-2005 at the National MST Radar Facility (NMRF) in Gadanki near here recently collectively termed Hindi as a powerful medium to reach the commonman, more so in communicating the results of scientific and technological developments in the country. The speakers also highlighted the need for scientists and linguists to join hands for the purpose.

Participating in a seminar on "The challenges of 21st century and Space Science and Technology," Shankar Subramaniyan, Controller, Satish Dhawan Space Centre (SDSC-SHAR), Sriharikota, observed that the Department of Space (DoS) always encouraged Hindi implementation and technical writing in Hindi by holding several programmes, while B.D. Acharya, advisor to the Department of Science and Technology (DST), wanted Hindi implementation more as a campaign, rather than as constitutional requirement.

The NMRF Director, D.Narayana Rao, presided, while I.N. Chandrasekhar Reddy of SV University Hindi Department spoke. N. Ramachandra Rao, NMRF Administrative Officer welcomed while Hindi translator, Maheshwar Ghankot, proposed a vote of thanks.

http://www.hindu.com/2005/03/26/stories/2005032605310300.htm

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:44 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Padmaja Devi is the Head of the department of HINDI. If she says that bhaiyyas are backward, the grants to her department will evaporate.

It is a myth that Hindi-speaking people are solely responsible for India's independence (NIs think that they and not SIs participated in the independence movement - cowbelt GARBAGE talk).

Currently, there is more need for bhaiyyas to learn Marati, Tamil, Telugu and Kannada than for SIs to learn any cowbelt language.

The point she is making is that we need a link language in India, and Hindi functioned as that link language (enabling people in different states to communicate with each other) during the freedom struggle.

Hindi-speaking people are selfish to impose their language on SIs. It is better if they spend their efforts on pulling themselves out of their BimarU condition. May be they can learn a thing or two from SIs.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:49 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Padmaja Devi is the Head of the department of HINDI. If she says that bhaiyyas are backward, the grants to her department will evaporate.

It is a myth that Hindi-speaking people are solely responsible for India's independence (NIs think that they and not SIs participated in the independence movement - cowbelt GARBAGE talk).

Currently, there is more need for bhaiyyas to learn Marati, Tamil, Telugu and Kannada than for SIs to learn any cowbelt language.

The point she is making is that we need a link language in India, and Hindi functioned as that link language (enabling people in different states to communicate with each other) during the freedom struggle.

Hindi-speaking people are selfish to impose their language on SIs. It is better if they spend their efforts on pulling themselves out of their BimarU condition. May be they can learn a thing or two from SIs.

The reason Hindi cannot be considered an NI language is because not only is it widely spoken and understood is NI, but because also there is the existence of its variant Dakhini in SI. SI's will be spurning their own culture if they fail to cherish the Dakhini language. (Dakhini itself has variants like Hyderabadi and Bangalori, etc.)

by Hellsangel Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:55 pm

What was the role of of Elvish during the struggle for freedom by the peoples of Middle Earth?

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:59 pm

Hellsangel wrote:What was the role of of Elvish during the struggle for freedom by the peoples of Middle Earth?

I have not seen the movie nor read the book.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:45 pm

Speakers at a function held to release the Hindi translation of the Telugu book on the former Chief Minister K. Rosaiah underscored the importance of learning Hindi to succeed at the national level.

The original work in Telugu by Press Academy of Andhra Pradesh chairman Tirumalagiri Surender was translated into Hindi-Telugu Sanskritikee Ujwal Prateek Sri Konijeti Rosaiah – by D. Satyalatha of the city.

Founder of Loknayak Foundation Yarlagadda Lakshmi Prasad, who brought out the book, said though Andhra Pradesh produced several great leaders like Tanguturi Prakasam Panthulu and Acharya N.G. Ranga, they were not known up-country. Sadguru K. Sivanandamurthy, who released the book as well as Mr. Rosaiah, who was present, and other speakers agreed with the view. GITAM University president and former MP M.V.V.S. Murthy presided. Former ministers Bhattam Sriramamuthy and Mandali Buddha Prasad, former Vice-Chancellor of Acharya Nagarjuna University V. Balamohan Das, Mr. Surender and Dr. Satyalatha spoke.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/hindi-book-on-rosaiah-released/article1104763.ece

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:46 pm

CHENNAI: Efforts need to be taken to strengthen Hindi as a common language across India, even as many languages continue to flourish unhindered, said Tamil Nadu Governor K Rosaiah said. Speaking at the World Hindi Day celebrations at a function at the Raj Bhavan, Rosaiah said the bond of national unity could be strengthened only through a common language.

“When we see the history of the evolution of Indian languages, all letters belong to two families. One is the Aryan family and the other is the Dravidian family. Each and every language plays its own role in the composite culture of our country and there should be no competition between languages,” said the Governor. “Along with the growth of regional language, we need a common language for facilitating free and easy inter communication,” he added.

“The spirit of human feeling is one and it is the same in any language it is expressed. We need to strengthen this bond of unity. The unity of India lies in the art, music, drama and in languages of our country,” Rosaiah said.

The sixth World Hindi Day celebrations were organised by the Tamil Nadu Hindi Academy in association with the Dharmamurthi Rao Bahadur Calavala Cunnan Chetty Hindu College. Even as the programme was conducted entirely in Hindi, it stuck to protocol and began with the Tamil Thaai Vazhthu, with many of the Hindi scholars present singing the official State song.

Rosaiah, who is known to be fluent in a number of languages, chose to address the gathering in English, instead of Hindi.

“More and more people are learning Hindi in the South. This is especially true in Tamil Nadu. Hindi is growing. It is now taught in 165 universities around the world,” noted Balashowri Reddy, president of the Tamil Nadu Hindi Academy.

A Kanagaraj, chairman of the Jaya Group of Institutions, called on Hindi institutions and scholars to abandon their strong urban bias and look towards rural India. The depth of language and its understanding in rural India must not be underestimated, he said, offering his institution’s support for any rural programmes for language development.

DRBCCC Hindu College principal S Kalpana Bai, TNHA senior patron MK Mohan and TNHA working president RM Srinivasan were among those who took part in the function, in which a number of scholars of Hindi as well as those of other languages were felicitated by the Governor.

http://expressbuzz.com/topic/bond-of-national-unity-could-be-strengthened/352064.html

by Hellsangel Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:48 pm

Ai ai ai! The multiple postings have started.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:50 pm

Andhra Pradesh: 'Hindi played a key role in the freedom struggle' K-rosaiah_3

The scholarly K.Rosaiah

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:22 pm

Rashmun wrote:Hindi functioned as that link language (enabling people in different states to communicate with each other) during the freedom struggle.

Hahaha. I suppose that is why the Indian National Congress passed its most important resolutions (e.g. Lahore Resolution, Quit India Resolution) in English!

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:23 pm

panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Hindi functioned as that link language (enabling people in different states to communicate with each other) during the freedom struggle.
Hahaha. I suppose that is why the Indian National Congress passed its most important resolutions (e.g. Lahore Resolution, Quit India Resolution) in English!

The reason for the resolutions being in english is because they wanted to communicate what they had decided jointly to the British rulers.

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:27 pm

Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Hindi functioned as that link language (enabling people in different states to communicate with each other) during the freedom struggle.
Hahaha. I suppose that is why the Indian National Congress passed its most important resolutions (e.g. Lahore Resolution, Quit India Resolution) in English!

The reason for the resolutions being in english is because they wanted to communicate what they had decided jointly to the British rulers.

And all the committees, including the Congress Working Committee, conducted its business in English. Was that just in case someone from Britain was spying and they didn't want to inconvenience those spies?

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:31 pm

panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Hindi functioned as that link language (enabling people in different states to communicate with each other) during the freedom struggle.
Hahaha. I suppose that is why the Indian National Congress passed its most important resolutions (e.g. Lahore Resolution, Quit India Resolution) in English!

The reason for the resolutions being in english is because they wanted to communicate what they had decided jointly to the British rulers.
And all the committees, including the Congress Working Committee, conducted its business in English. Was that just in case someone from Britain was spying and they didn't want to inconvenience those spies?

This is not true.

by Hellsangel Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:34 pm

Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Hindi functioned as that link language (enabling people in different states to communicate with each other) during the freedom struggle.
Hahaha. I suppose that is why the Indian National Congress passed its most important resolutions (e.g. Lahore Resolution, Quit India Resolution) in English!

The reason for the resolutions being in english is because they wanted to communicate what they had decided jointly to the British rulers.
And all the committees, including the Congress Working Committee, conducted its business in English. Was that just in case someone from Britain was spying and they didn't want to inconvenience those spies?

This is not true.

Coz you said so?

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:37 pm

Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Hindi functioned as that link language (enabling people in different states to communicate with each other) during the freedom struggle.
Hahaha. I suppose that is why the Indian National Congress passed its most important resolutions (e.g. Lahore Resolution, Quit India Resolution) in English!

The reason for the resolutions being in english is because they wanted to communicate what they had decided jointly to the British rulers.
And all the committees, including the Congress Working Committee, conducted its business in English. Was that just in case someone from Britain was spying and they didn't want to inconvenience those spies?

This is not true.

It is true. You are welcome to produce any resolutions or working documents of the INC or CWC from before 1947 that are in any language other than English. There is a reason the Constituent Assembly had a long and winding debate about Hindi vs. Sanskrit for official language; it is because Hindi was not the official language of the Indian National Congress prior to independence. English was the language in which INC conducted its business. English was the link language between the people of India during the freedom struggle, not Hindi.

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:42 pm

Another interesting thing: all of the debates in the Constituent Assembly about the future official language of India took place in -- wait for it -- English. Again, English was the link language in the Constituent Assembly. Hindi was busy at the time, resting from all the linking it had done in pre-independence years.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:43 pm

panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:Hahaha. I suppose that is why the Indian National Congress passed its most important resolutions (e.g. Lahore Resolution, Quit India Resolution) in English!

The reason for the resolutions being in english is because they wanted to communicate what they had decided jointly to the British rulers.
And all the committees, including the Congress Working Committee, conducted its business in English. Was that just in case someone from Britain was spying and they didn't want to inconvenience those spies?

This is not true.
It is true. You are welcome to produce any resolutions or working documents of the INC or CWC from before 1947 that are in any language other than English. There is a reason the Constituent Assembly had a long and winding debate about Hindi vs. Sanskrit for official language; it is because Hindi was not the official language of the Indian National Congress prior to independence. English was the language in which INC conducted its business. English was the link language between the people of India during the freedom struggle, not Hindi.

The reason English could not possibly be the link language of the people of India during the freedom struggle was because Indians having adequate knowledge of english at that time was less than one percent. Additionally since you are making the assertion which i am disputing it is up to you to provide some evidence for your claim.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:45 pm

panini press wrote:Another interesting thing: all of the debates in the Constituent Assembly about the future official language of India took place in -- wait for it -- English. Again, English was the link language in the Constituent Assembly. Hindi was busy at the time, resting from all the linking it had done in pre-independence years.

The Constituent Assembly debates did take place in english. But these debates took place among some of the Indian elites who together comprised less than 1 percent of the Indian population. English before and after independence remains a language of the elites in India. Something like 5 percent of Indians speak english (good enough so as to communicate with others) as of today.

by goodcitizn Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:47 pm

Its sad that north indians regard tamilians as anti-hindi when all that they had rebelled against was the "imposition" of Hindi ever since 1966. If the government had spent as much money promoting Konkani through tax-payers' money in the form of Konkani prachar sabhas, there would be more Konkani-speaking people across India today. Link language is just an excuse. IMO Most non Hindi-speaking rural areas are better off learning English over Hindi in widening their communication network.

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:51 pm

Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:And all the committees, including the Congress Working Committee, conducted its business in English....

This is not true.
...
Additionally since you are making the assertion which i am disputing it is up to you to provide some evidence for your claim.

Hahaha. Great cop-out!

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:52 pm

goodcitizn wrote:Its sad that north indians regard tamilians as anti-hindi when all that they had rebelled against was the "imposition" of Hindi ever since 1966. If the government had spent as much money promoting Konkani through tax-payers' money in the form of Konkani prachar sabhas, there would be more Konkani-speaking people across India today. Link language is just an excuse. IMO Most non Hindi-speaking rural areas are better off learning English over Hindi in widening their communication network.

it is a myth that hindi is a north indian language. the existence of the south indian language Dakhini, which is a variant of hindi, disproves the myth. Since the largest number of people in India are hindi speakers there is a case to be made for Hindi to be the link language of India which in fact it is already.

There is one qualification: All across India, including South India, Hindi functions as at least one of the link languages in urban India i.e. in the cities.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:53 pm

panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:And all the committees, including the Congress Working Committee, conducted its business in English....

This is not true.
...
Additionally since you are making the assertion which i am disputing it is up to you to provide some evidence for your claim.

Hahaha. Great cop-out!

I agree. Great cop-out by you. Whenever asked for evidence to support your bizarre claims you conveniently start making excuses.

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:55 pm

Rashmun wrote:The Constituent Assembly debates did take place in english. But these debates took place among some of the Indian elites who together comprised less than 1 percent of the Indian population. English before and after independence remains a language of the elites in India. Something like 5 percent of Indians speak english (good enough so as to communicate with others) as of today.

The Constituent Assembly was elected by the people of India. If Hindi could not "link" the elected representatives of the people of India, it is stupid to argue that it linked the people of India -- most of whom did not know Hindi!

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:57 pm

panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:The Constituent Assembly debates did take place in english. But these debates took place among some of the Indian elites who together comprised less than 1 percent of the Indian population. English before and after independence remains a language of the elites in India. Something like 5 percent of Indians speak english (good enough so as to communicate with others) as of today.
The Constituent Assembly was elected by the people of India. If Hindi could not "link" the elected representatives of the people of India, it is stupid to argue that it linked the people of India -- most of whom did not know Hindi!

A distinction has to be made between freedom fighters and the people who participated in the Constituent Assembly debates. Your claim that most people who participated in the Constituent Assembly debates did not know hindi is laughable.

by goodcitizn Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:02 pm

That is due to the imposition of Hindi for over 46 years spending tax-payers' money in promoting it via prachar sabhas, door darshan etc and making it mandatory to get central govt jobs, among other strategies. Some people are born speaking Hindi, some people pick up Hindi, and some people have Hindi thrust upon them. Urban India has gone through it which is in evidence; not so in many rural areas still.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:02 pm

goodcitizn wrote:That is due to the imposition of Hindi for over 46 years spending tax-payers' money in promoting it via prachar sabhas, door darshan etc and making it mandatory to get central govt jobs, among other strategies. Some people are born speaking Hindi, some people pick up Hindi, and some people have Hindi thrust upon them. Urban India has gone through it which is in evidence; not so in many rural areas still.

Are you familiar with the existence of the South Indian language Dakhini which is a variant of Hindustani (the Hindi spoken across cities in India)?

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:05 pm

Rashmun wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:That is due to the imposition of Hindi for over 46 years spending tax-payers' money in promoting it via prachar sabhas, door darshan etc and making it mandatory to get central govt jobs, among other strategies. Some people are born speaking Hindi, some people pick up Hindi, and some people have Hindi thrust upon them. Urban India has gone through it which is in evidence; not so in many rural areas still.

Are you familiar with the existence of the South Indian language Dakhini which is a variant of Hindustani (the Hindi spoken across cities in India)?

http://www.bangalorenotes.com/dakhni.htm

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:08 pm

Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:it is stupid to argue that [Hindi] linked the people of India -- most of whom did not know Hindi!
Your claim that most people who participated in the Constituent Assembly debates did not know hindi is laughable.

Read carefully. And then respond!

PS: You are welcome to make whatever distinctions you need to make. Fact is, English was the language of the Indian National Congress, and English was the language that linked freedom fighters from different parts of India. When Gandhi and Nehru spoke to people in Madras presidency, they addressed the crowd in English, and interpreters were on hand to translate it into Telugu or Tamil. Hindi played no role in this.

by Hellsangel Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:10 pm

Why did Gandhi and Nehru author their books in English and not Hindi?

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:11 pm

Hellsangel wrote:Why did Gandhi and Nehru author their books in English and not Hindi?

They wanted to give Hindi some rest from all the hard work of linking Indians.

by goodcitizn Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:13 pm

Dakhini is foreign to Tamil.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:14 pm

panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:it is stupid to argue that [Hindi] linked the people of India -- most of whom did not know Hindi!
Your claim that most people who participated in the Constituent Assembly debates did not know hindi is laughable.
Read carefully. And then respond!

PS: You are welcome to make whatever distinctions you need to make. Fact is, English was the language of the Indian National Congress, and English was the language that linked freedom fighters from different parts of India. When Gandhi and Nehru spoke to people in Madras presidency, they addressed the crowd in English, and interpreters were on hand to translate it into Telugu or Tamil. Hindi played no role in this.

Freedom fighters came from all sections of society the vast majority of whom did not know english. Those who spoke in the Constituent Assembly debates came from amongst the elite in India who all knew english. Hence the distinction. It is bizarre to imagine that English, a language spoken by less than 1 percent of Indians at the time, was working as a link language across India amongst freedom fighters. In contrast, the much widely spoken Hindi served as the link language for freedom fighters in different states as the telugu professor of hindi correctly pointed out.

by goodcitizn Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:14 pm

panini press wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:Why did Gandhi and Nehru author their books in English and not Hindi?
They wanted to give Hindi some rest from all the hard work of linking Indians.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:15 pm

goodcitizn wrote:Dakhini is foreign to Tamil.

good to see you getting an education about the fowl language of south india.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:17 pm

Hellsangel wrote:Why did Gandhi and Nehru author their books in English and not Hindi?

They presumably wanted to communicate their thoughts and experiences to the whole world. They knew that translations of their book in various languages including hindi would quickly become available. Gandhiji, being a Gujarati, set up the Dakshin Bharat Prachar Sabha to propagate Hindi in South India.

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:18 pm

Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
panini press wrote:it is stupid to argue that [Hindi] linked the people of India -- most of whom did not know Hindi!
Your claim that most people who participated in the Constituent Assembly debates did not know hindi is laughable.
Read carefully. And then respond!

PS: You are welcome to make whatever distinctions you need to make. Fact is, English was the language of the Indian National Congress, and English was the language that linked freedom fighters from different parts of India. When Gandhi and Nehru spoke to people in Madras presidency, they addressed the crowd in English, and interpreters were on hand to translate it into Telugu or Tamil. Hindi played no role in this.

Freedom fighters came from all sections of society the vast majority of whom did not know english. Those who spoke in the Constituent Assembly debates came from amongst the elite in India who all knew english. Hence the distinction. It is bizarre to imagine that English, a language spoken by less than 1 percent of Indians at the time, was working as a link language across India amongst freedom fighters. In contrast, the much widely spoken Hindi served as the link language for freedom fighters in different states as the telugu professor of hindi correctly pointed out.

Yes, that's why Gandhi and Nehru spoke in English on their trips to the south, and why they wrote their books in English. They were elitists. They didn't want their message to go beyond the 1%.

by Hellsangel Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:19 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:Dakhini is foreign to Tamil.

good to see you getting an education about the fowl language of south india.

Il Professore, you sadist, you!

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:21 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:Why did Gandhi and Nehru author their books in English and not Hindi?

They presumably wanted to communicate their thoughts and experiences to the whole world. They knew that translations of their book in various languages including hindi would quickly become available.

Are you suggesting that if they had written the books in Hindi, they could not possibly have been translated into English and other languages for the whole world to read?

Gandhi's newspaper was called Young India. It was in English. I suppose he wrote that in English in order to inspire the whole world to fight for India's independence.

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:21 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:Dakhini is foreign to Tamil.

good to see you getting an education about the fowl language of south india.

Duckini-cluckini forever!

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:22 pm

goodcitizn wrote:Dakhini is foreign to Tamil.

No it is not. Tamil has many words of hindustani/dakhini origin (like the word 'shabaash'). That is why people like Max wish to purge all such words from Tamil to obtain some kind of a 'Pure Tamil' language.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:24 pm

panini press wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:Dakhini is foreign to Tamil.

good to see you getting an education about the fowl language of south india.
Duckini-cluckini forever!

We all know that Charvaka is not a genuine Hyderabadi. He is a wannabe Hyderabadi i.e. a fake Hyderabadi who enjoys eating Hyderabadi food but would like to see Telugu replace Hyderabadi Dakhini as the lingua franca of Hyderabad.

by Idéfix Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:24 pm

I speak both Hyderabadi and Telugu; you do neither. And I am the fake!

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:26 pm

panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:Why did Gandhi and Nehru author their books in English and not Hindi?

They presumably wanted to communicate their thoughts and experiences to the whole world. They knew that translations of their book in various languages including hindi would quickly become available.
Are you suggesting that if they had written the books in Hindi, they could not possibly have been translated into English and other languages for the whole world to read?

Gandhi's newspaper was called Young India. It was in English. I suppose he wrote that in English in order to inspire the whole world to fight for India's independence.

Gandhiji wanted to inspire and educate the educated elite who already knew english. But he realized that english can never serve as the link language of India. That is why he set up the Dakshin Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha to propagate and spread Hindi throughout South India.

by goodcitizn Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:28 pm

panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:Why did Gandhi and Nehru author their books in English and not Hindi?

They presumably wanted to communicate their thoughts and experiences to the whole world. They knew that translations of their book in various languages including hindi would quickly become available.
Are you suggesting that if they had written the books in Hindi, they could not possibly have been translated into English and other languages for the whole world to read?

Gandhi's newspaper was called Young India. It was in English. I suppose he wrote that in English in order to inspire the whole world to fight for India's independence.

While in prison, in addition to having the thread-making wheel next to him, Gandhiji only had an English typewriter which explains why he experimented with truth in English.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:28 pm

panini press wrote:I speak both Hyderabadi and Telugu; you do neither. And I am the fake!

You also know Hindi, which is a variant of Hyderabadi, and yet your emotional attachment is neither for Hyderabadi Dakhini nor for Hindi but for Telugu. Only a fake person would insult and abuse the lingua franca of Hyderabad. So yes, you are not a genuine Hyderabadi.

Also, Hyderabadi is a very minor variation of Hindi. The variation is so minor that i can claim to be a Hyderabadi (i.e. Hyderabadi Dakhini) speaker myself.

by Guest Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:29 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
panini press wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:Why did Gandhi and Nehru author their books in English and not Hindi?

They presumably wanted to communicate their thoughts and experiences to the whole world. They knew that translations of their book in various languages including hindi would quickly become available.
Are you suggesting that if they had written the books in Hindi, they could not possibly have been translated into English and other languages for the whole world to read?

Gandhi's newspaper was called Young India. It was in English. I suppose he wrote that in English in order to inspire the whole world to fight for India's independence.

While in prison, in addition to having the thread-making wheel next to him, Gandhiji only had an English typewriter which explains why he experimented with truth in English.

Gandhiji may have been more comfortable with english than with hindi. But bottomline is that he set up the Dakshin Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha to spread and propagate Hindi in South India.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:31 pm

we have all tilted at this particular windmill to no avail. however, what i always find galling is not that rashmun pushes the hindi agenda (under other guises like the fowl language which he discovered some two years ago); that is something many of his ilk tend to do. no, what i really find galling is his incessant, noxious, and noisy flatulence about languages he has no clue about - tamil, telugu, and even persian. most people who argue with him about lingustic issues can speak at least one language more than he can, often two. many know more sanskrit in fact than he has ever cared to learn. and yet he feels no shame in spouting off. in this regard he is no different from that other tenuous connectionist from sulekha.

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