2nd ODI - India vs SA

by confuzzled dude Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:27 pm

"Green pitch, overcast skies await India"

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/current/story/697995.html

-> Well, overcast will help Indian seamers as well.

by truthbetold Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:57 pm

India knew they will be tested.outside India. the young team stumbled. and my thinking is that they will lose the odi series 3-0. they should focus on getting good match practice rather than winning.
except for kohli and dhoni Indian batting displayed same old vulnerabilities. they should include pujara and vijay in the side and bat first. score 250 to 275. if bowlers click fine otherwise they lose but got practice.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:01 am

truthbetold wrote:India knew they will be tested.outside India. the young team stumbled. and my thinking is that they will lose the odi series 3-0. they should focus on gettinggood match practice rather than winning.
except for kohl and dhoni Indian batting displayed same old vulnerabilities. they should include pujara and vijay in the side and bat first. score 250 to 275. if boilers click fine otherwise they like but got practice.

Steyn was right. I saw Raina move away from the line and THEN stretch out the bat to hit towards cover. Clearly scared and moved out of line assuming it would be a bouncer.

Yuvraj and Raina are weak on REAL technique. They should be given a Sehwag treatment.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:08 am

truthbetold wrote:India knew they will be tested.outside India. the young team stumbled. and my thinking is that they will lose the odi series 3-0. they should focus on getting good match practice rather than winning.
except for kohli and dhoni Indian batting displayed same old vulnerabilities. they should include pujara and vijay in the side and bat first. score 250 to 275. if bowlers click fine otherwise they lose but got practice.

didn't realize international ODI matches are considered practice these days. practice for what? winning against west indies and nepal?

by goodcitizn Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:22 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
truthbetold wrote:India knew they will be tested.outside India. the young team stumbled. and my thinking is that they will lose the odi series 3-0. they should focus on gettinggood match practice rather than winning.
except for kohl and dhoni Indian batting displayed same old vulnerabilities. they should include pujara and vijay in the side and bat first. score 250 to 275. if boilers click fine otherwise they like but got practice.
Steyn was right. I saw Raina move away from the line and THEN stretch out the bat to hit towards cover. Clearly scared and moved out of line assuming it would be a bouncer.

Yuvraj and Raina are weak on REAL technique. They should be given a Sehwag treatment.

I don't think Yuvaraj justifies as an extra bowler. He has been in miserable batting form. Raina is undependable. Our bowling attack is nothing at all for SA. That is our biggest problem in containing runs. In the first ODI their opening pair went on to have over a hundred run partnership at a high RR. We ended up looking bad. Too bad both Rohit and Raina were run out. Dhawan has to be more cautious and not go for big runs all the time. I withdraw my prediction that India will win the test. Right now a draw is a big win for India, much to my regret.

by truthbetold Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:57 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:India knew they will be tested.outside India. the young team stumbled. and my thinking is that they will lose the odi series 3-0. they should focus on getting good match practice rather than winning.
except for kohli and dhoni Indian batting displayed same old vulnerabilities. they should include pujara and vijay in the side and bat first. score 250 to 275. if bowlers click fine otherwise they lose but got practice.
didn't realize international ODI matches are considered practice these days. practice for what? winning against west indies and nepal?

Max
Now that you know enjoy the rest of the series.

by truthbetold Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:00 am

Indian bowling used the conditions after the opening pair. Considering the way the ball iscoming onto the bat this is a good score for sa. But it is also somewhat familiar to Indian batsmen. They could make a match of it.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:26 am

dhawan practicing (TBT's description of what india is trying to do in SA) well, i.e. giving catching practice to SA. let's see how well kohli practices.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:33 am

kohli practiced well too.

by truthbetold Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:37 am

Max,

You can wear your blinkers and enjoy the sun in Boston winter.
Indian team regrouped in last year or so by limiting to Indian soil for most of that time. Indian batsmen and howlers regained home advantage.
other than kohli and dhoni, none of the Indian batsmen scored runs abroad consistently. It is not a surprise that they falter on sa's fast pitches with unfamiliar bounce. They need practice and they will get it through staying in the middle.
Indian selectors could have opted for ghambhir and d karthick who played ok in sa and England respectively. They decided to allow the new team to grow through failures.
Indian bowling is even worse than batting. No penetration. That is a bigger longer term problem.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:43 am

kohli is neither young nor inexperienced. he is expected to score under all conditions and all bowlers.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:44 am

LOVE steyn's aggression.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:52 am

crumbling. i like it when this happens from time to time. brings these bozos down and gives them a good injection of reality which they sorely need.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:59 am

can't keep it down when they try to pull and feet nowhere close to the ball when they try to cut. no chance of dealing with the bounce for these flat trackers. if this is a sign of things to come in the test "series" (the two test matches that they're calling a series that is), i am most comfortable with my 2-0 prediction. they were right to only play two test matches to limit the embarrassment. good call.

rahane may feel hard done by the umpire, but there's no excuse for that shot. reckless.

just go back to vizag, meerut, and cochin and play your stupid gully cricket with the skimpily dressed dancers gyrating to bolly songs. that's all you're good for.

by truthbetold Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:46 am

Cook failed miserably in last three innings. He could not negotiate jhonson. So one of the beet batsmen becomes a chimp by mac's boxed in logic.
Kohli scored runs against all attacks in his brief career so far. He will be one of the best Indian batsmen. He may even be among of the best of the world at least for few years.
You are allowed to be snotty and stupid in your assessments as long as Indians falter outside India. They (indians) have to provide the answers on the field.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:41 am

kohli's ODI career can hardly be termed brief.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:46 am

that ab devilliers catch reminded me of some of the catches that are taken in the outfield near the green moster at fenway. brilliant.

by truthbetold Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:29 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:kohli's ODI career can hardly be t
ermed brief.

and kohli is among the best the best in the world.
Just because he got out once does not prove anything. Kallis got out twice for low score. cricket is a game of percentages. top order take more chances against a ball that seams a lot. you cannot judge kohl from one inning. he is not the problem. Go run down some one else.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:31 am

but you said his career was brief.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:33 am

truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:kohli's ODI career can hardly be t
ermed brief.
and kohli is among the best the best in the world.
Just because he got out once does not prove anything. Kallis got out twice for low score. cricket is a game of percentages. top order take more chances against a ball that seams a lot. you cannot judge kohl from one inning. he is not the problem. Go run down some one else.

Your defense of the Indian team is like rashmun's defense of the Dynasty.

by truthbetold Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:44 am

Uppili
go back and reread instead of writing staid old irrelevent comments. Show me what constitutes defence of Indian cricket team?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:46 am

naturally kohli is going to be criticized because after the departure of the stalwarts from the prior generation he has been termed at various times the next coming someone or the other. if you want to aspire to such titles, better perform at the same levels.

by nevada Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:49 am

Another match, another thumping. But I still think this team can put in a decent performance or two in this series. Yes, these thrashings can serve as practice for the upcoming test matches - if the team can learn from these humbling losses and play competitively hereafter.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:53 am

nobody is going to be the next tendulkar, dravid, laxman or for that matter even ganguly. these are kids who've been brought up on a steady diet of cricket of the gaudy variety involving skimpy clothed bollywood dancers imported from europe. we may at best get a sehwag or a gambhir from this lot. they'll be gladiators in the subcontinent and crumble outside of it. their best bet is to arrange more and more games with the windies, zimbabwe, bangladesh, and nepal so they can pad their resumes.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:24 pm

truthbetold wrote:Uppili
go back and reread instead of writing staid old irrelevent comments. Show me what constitutes defence of Indian cricket team?

Kholi has scored 15 centuries and played ODI for long, and of all people he should be scoring. Dhawan I can understand.

I would have played Pujara and Vijay - mainly bcz these guys have prior exposure to SA. Even if they had scored 40 or 50 runs in "test fashion" other newbies could have learnt from them. If Amla can play ODI why not pujara.

This is a totally raw team overconfident based on flat track performance againt Windies. They moved from the easiest and most favorable condition/environment to the most hostile and unfavorable condition they are ever likely to face. They might have done better if this team had played Australian and/or NZ before touring SA. Don't know what the BCCI was thinking when it arranged and agreed at the last minute for this 2-test series. What this team needs to build is cohesion, confidence and skills and this sequence of tours is bad.

by truthbetold Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:28 pm

Winning at home.and crumbling outside seems to be true.of.all teams. look at Australia in England ( early part.of the series) , England in Australia.

Kohl deserves criticism for failing to save the team but so did. viv Richards against lilee and thomo had horrible.time.

by confuzzled dude Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:56 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Uppili
go back and reread instead of writing staid old irrelevent comments. Show me what constitutes defence of Indian cricket team?
Kholi has scored 15 centuries and played ODI for long, and of all people he should be scoring. Dhawan I can understand.

I would have played Pujara and Vijay - mainly bcz these guys have prior exposure to SA. Even if they had scored 40 or 50 runs in "test fashion" other newbies could have learnt from them. If Amla can play ODI why not pujara.

This is a totally raw team overconfident based on flat track performance againt Windies. They moved from the easiest and most favorable condition/environment to the most hostile and unfavorable condition they are ever likely to face. They might have done better if this team had played Australian and/or NZ before touring SA. Don't know what the BCCI was thinking when it arranged and agreed at the last minute for this 2-test series. What this team needs to build is cohesion, confidence and skills and this sequence of tours is bad.

I guess another whitewash is on the cards no wonder Sachin rushed his retirement after all he didn't want to be remembered as a member of three consecutive away white washes.

What are Pujara & Vijay practicing staying back in J'burg.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:07 pm

all in all good practice was had by one and all.

by confuzzled dude Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:12 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:all in all good practice was had by one and all.

We're keeping up the tradition; India has never won at this venue. We also continued another tradition, Amla sucked at his home till he played India :)WHo is that Kock guy scored two successive hundreds

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:54 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:all in all good practice was had by one and all.
We're keeping up the tradition; India has never won at this venue. We also continued another tradition, Amla sucked at his home till he played India :)WHo is that Kock guy scored two successive hundreds

Oh well... These SA is nothing but full of Grass track bullies. Let them show their talent on India's Flat Tracks... English is good in their own land of Swing Tracks and Aussies in their backyard of Bouncing tracks...And India is the king of flat tracks (well....sort of...)

by bw Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:20 am

i watched the game just for steyn.

nothing to worry. just another ODI and a couple of tests and the hit&giggle heroes will be back home fighting alongside the bollywood stars for the much coveted IPL trophy.

other observations:

kohli seems one big bandha. suresh raina hasn't stopped being the hug monster. shikar dhawan will hopefully deliver smthing - all that twirling of his murukku meesai can't go on for too long without some runs.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:09 am

bw wrote:i watched the game just for steyn.

nothing to worry. just another ODI and a couple of tests and the hit&giggle heroes will be back home fighting alongside the bollywood stars for the much coveted IPL trophy.

other observations:

kohli seems one big bandha. suresh raina hasn't stopped being the hug monster. shikar dhawan will hopefully deliver smthing - all that twirling of his murukku meesai can't go on for too long without some runs.

They should include Pujara (and probably Vijay) - hopefully the rest can learn the technique of handling the SA trio before the test. with the ODI specialists not even crossing double digits why ignore Pujara saying he is a TEST specialist. People forget RD had a great run in ODI.

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