.....The PiSS memebrs will be elated. Congrats Maulana Merlot, Maulana Rashmunullah, Flimmy Iyer, CD, MAXE, Idefix and other ISP fellows.

On behalf of merlot ,
uppili aunty did you notice the paper's name?
Hindustan times.
what do you expect from such a Hindu right wing paper?
In coming days articles showing how modi and bjp are responsible for these atrocities on kishtwar Muslims will be published. that should teach chaddis a lesson.

J&K Minister quits over Kishtwar violence

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/jk-minister-quits-over-kishtwar-violence/article5015347.ece

Few excerpts from the link above:

"Sources said the Congress high command too didn’t want the BJP to exploit a communal strife ahead of the 2014 Lok Sabha election"

Meanwhile, Mr. Abdullah, who was the MoS External Affairs in the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government, took potshots at the BJP. “Would [Arun] Jaitley be so kind as to inform Parliament whether the Gujarat Home Minister or MoS Home resigned or even offered to in 2002!” he tweeted. On the Kishtwar riots, he said: “3 unfortunate deaths — 1 Hindu, 2 Muslim & we’ve a judicial inquiry with my Minister resigning. Would the BJP care to recount 2002 response [in Gujarat]?”

confuzzled dude wrote:J&K Minister quits over Kishtwar violence

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/jk-minister-quits-over-kishtwar-violence/article5015347.ece

Few excerpts from the link above:

"Sources said the Congress high command too didn’t want the BJP to exploit a communal strife ahead of the 2014 Lok Sabha election"

Meanwhile, Mr. Abdullah, who was the MoS External Affairs in the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government, took potshots at the BJP. “Would [Arun] Jaitley be so kind as to inform Parliament whether the Gujarat Home Minister or MoS Home resigned or even offered to in 2002!” he tweeted. On the Kishtwar riots, he said: “3 unfortunate deaths — 1 Hindu, 2 Muslim & we’ve a judicial inquiry with my Minister resigning. Would the BJP care to recount 2002 response [in Gujarat]?”

CD:

Thank you for standing up to the Chaddi fanatics. These hindu minorites are becoming belligerant. First they leave Kashmir for better jobs and blame the pieceful Muslims of driving them out, and now this accusation against the helpless muslims.

Please invite all your friends to rally support to the hapless Kishtwar muslims.

confuzzled dude wrote:J&K Minister quits over Kishtwar violence

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/jk-minister-quits-over-kishtwar-violence/article5015347.ece

Few excerpts from the link above:

"Sources said the Congress high command too didn’t want the BJP to exploit a communal strife ahead of the 2014 Lok Sabha election"

Meanwhile, Mr. Abdullah, who was the MoS External Affairs in the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government, took potshots at the BJP. “Would [Arun] Jaitley be so kind as to inform Parliament whether the Gujarat Home Minister or MoS Home resigned or even offered to in 2002!” he tweeted. On the Kishtwar riots, he said: “3 unfortunate deaths — 1 Hindu, 2 Muslim & we’ve a judicial inquiry with my Minister resigning. Would the BJP care to recount 2002 response [in Gujarat]?”

Shush sir. Uppili Aunty and her latest companion, TBT, are in the middle of a frenzied, limp-wristed breast-beating over how those scary Islamis are killing all the Hindus and seceding to PakiSatan. Please don't interrupt this extremely pleasurable activity with your mundane details and boring facts.

Merlot saruvadu,
Your logical contortions to divert the issue and your pathetic attempts at humour are so predictable, one can write the script without you. Your Islamic gang gets caught with their hand in cookie jar, yet the only excuses you can come up with are age old cliches uppili aunty and Modi and 2002.

You are incapable of understanding contradictions such as
Muslims can be victims in Gujarat and be butchers of people in kishtawar.
Modi can be a religious zealot and a successful cm of a state.

You try to bend truth to fit your myopic view of world. But reality confuses you as much as it confounds chaddis.

truthbetold wrote:Merlot saruvadu,
Your logical contortions to divert the issue and your pathetic attempts at humour are so predictable, one can write the script without you. Your Islamic gang gets caught with their hand in cookie jar,  yet the only excuses you can come up with are age old cliches uppili aunty and Modi and 2002.

You are incapable of understanding contradictions such as
Muslims can be victims in Gujarat and be butchers of people in kishtawar.
Modi can be a religious zealot and a successful cm of a state.

You try to bend truth to fit your myopic view of world. But reality confuses you as much as it confounds chaddis.

Ok Shaktiman. You win the argument.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

truthbetold wrote:Merlot saruvadu,
Your logical contortions to divert the issue and your pathetic attempts at humour are so predictable, one can write the script without you. Your Islamic gang gets caught with their hand in cookie jar,  yet the only excuses you can come up with are age old cliches uppili aunty and Modi and 2002.

You are incapable of understanding contradictions such as
Muslims can be victims in Gujarat and be butchers of people in kishtawar.
Modi can be a religious zealot and a successful cm of a state.

You try to bend truth to fit your myopic view of world. But reality confuses you as much as it confounds chaddis.

Ok Shaktiman. You win the argument.

Ooops...this is ominous... This means only one thing....Maulana is planning something big for Ganesh Chaturthi...

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

truthbetold wrote:Merlot saruvadu,
Your logical contortions to divert the issue and your pathetic attempts at humour are so predictable, one can write the script without you. Your Islamic gang gets caught with their hand in cookie jar,  yet the only excuses you can come up with are age old cliches uppili aunty and Modi and 2002.

You are incapable of understanding contradictions such as
Muslims can be victims in Gujarat and be butchers of people in kishtawar.
Modi can be a religious zealot and a successful cm of a state.

You try to bend truth to fit your myopic view of world. But reality confuses you as much as it confounds chaddis.

Ok Shaktiman. You win the argument.

Ooops...this is ominous...   This means only one thing....Maulana is planning something big for Ganesh Chaturthi...

 lol

confuzzled dude wrote:J&K Minister quits over Kishtwar violence

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/jk-minister-quits-over-kishtwar-violence/article5015347.ece

Few excerpts from the link above:

"Sources said the Congress high command too didn’t want the BJP to exploit a communal strife ahead of the 2014 Lok Sabha election"

Meanwhile, Mr. Abdullah, who was the MoS External Affairs in the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government, took potshots at the BJP. “Would [Arun] Jaitley be so kind as to inform Parliament whether the Gujarat Home Minister or MoS Home resigned or even offered to in 2002!” he tweeted. On the Kishtwar riots, he said: “3 unfortunate deaths — 1 Hindu, 2 Muslim & we’ve a judicial inquiry with my Minister resigning. Would the BJP care to recount 2002 response [in Gujarat]?”

This sounds like a government-supported pogrom. A minister, that too in the Home ministry, is accused of inciting violence. I am glad he was forced to resign, but that doesn't let the government off the hook.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.....The PiSS memebrs will be elated. Congrats Maulana Merlot, Maulana Rashmunullah, Flimmy Iyer, CD, MAXE, Idefix and other ISP fellows.

You sound very happy that this violence is going on. Are you trying to establish your secular credentials with your glee at the killing of Hindus? If so, your notion of secularism is all wrong.

Idéfix wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.....The PiSS memebrs will be elated. Congrats Maulana Merlot, Maulana Rashmunullah, Flimmy Iyer, CD, MAXE, Idefix and other ISP fellows.

You sound very happy that this violence is going on. Are you trying to establish your secular credentials with your glee at the killing of Hindus? If so, your notion of secularism is all wrong.

I agree...no one should be happy about the killing of innocent hindus. They should wait - just like the PiSS and ISP members - until the all the hindus move to outside Jammu & Kashmir, encourage iSlamic majority in Jammu, and actively participate in Azad for the Entire J & K.

I will wait for comments and expert views from other PiSS members and ISP fellows.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.....The PiSS memebrs will be elated. Congrats Maulana Merlot, Maulana Rashmunullah, Flimmy Iyer, CD, MAXE, Idefix and other ISP fellows.

You sound very happy that this violence is going on. Are you trying to establish your secular credentials with your glee at the killing of Hindus? If so, your notion of secularism is all wrong.

I agree...no one should be happy about the killing of innocent hindus. They should wait - just like the PiSS and ISP members - until the all the hindus move to outside Jammu & Kashmir, encourage iSlamic majority in Jammu, and actively participate in Azad for the Entire J & K.  

I will wait for comments and expert views from other PiSS members and ISP fellows.

 On behalf of PiSS scholars, I condemn the BJP communals for instigating the riots and violence in Kishtwar. Insha Allah, soon there will be piece in J&K.

God is, indeed, great.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Shush sir. Uppili Aunty and her latest companion, TBT, are in the middle of a frenzied, limp-wristed breast-beating over how those scary Islamis are killing all the Hindus and seceding to PakiSatan. Please don't interrupt this extremely pleasurable activity with your mundane details and boring facts.

Thank you for relieving SaamiYaar of insufferable agony. I was worried lack of responses from PS gang may cause him to slip into severe depression, he was getting all emotional cantillating "nee begane baaro" restlessly.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Shush sir. Uppili Aunty and her latest companion, TBT, are in the middle of a frenzied, limp-wristed breast-beating over how those scary Islamis are killing all the Hindus and seceding to PakiSatan. Please don't interrupt this extremely pleasurable activity with your mundane details and boring facts.

Thank you for relieving SaamiYaar of insufferable agony. I was worried lack of responses from PS gang may cause him to slip into severe depression, he was getting all emotional cantillating "nee begane baaro" restlessly.

Jaiiiiiing Jak.... 

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.....The PiSS memebrs will be elated. Congrats Maulana Merlot, Maulana Rashmunullah, Flimmy Iyer, CD, MAXE, Idefix and other ISP fellows.

You sound very happy that this violence is going on. Are you trying to establish your secular credentials with your glee at the killing of Hindus? If so, your notion of secularism is all wrong.

I agree...no one should be happy about the killing of innocent hindus. They should wait - just like the PiSS and ISP members - until the all the hindus move to outside Jammu & Kashmir, encourage iSlamic majority in Jammu, and actively participate in Azad for the Entire J & K.  

I will wait for comments and expert views from other PiSS members and ISP fellows.

I know your persecution complex is beyond any hope of treatment, so carry on. But on the off chance that numbers make a difference, these are the percentages of population of different religious communities in the state of Jammu and Kashmir. All numbers are from the Census of India in the year indicated.


Numbers from the 2011 census by district and religion are expected to be released in the next couple of months.

PS: There was no census in the state in 1951 or 1991 due to ongoing insurgency / political unrest.

Idéfix wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.....The PiSS memebrs will be elated. Congrats Maulana Merlot, Maulana Rashmunullah, Flimmy Iyer, CD, MAXE, Idefix and other ISP fellows.

You sound very happy that this violence is going on. Are you trying to establish your secular credentials with your glee at the killing of Hindus? If so, your notion of secularism is all wrong.

I agree...no one should be happy about the killing of innocent hindus. They should wait - just like the PiSS and ISP members - until the all the hindus move to outside Jammu & Kashmir, encourage iSlamic majority in Jammu, and actively participate in Azad for the Entire J & K.  

I will wait for comments and expert views from other PiSS members and ISP fellows.

I know your persecution complex is beyond any hope of treatment, so carry on. But on the off chance that numbers make a difference, these are the percentages of population of different religious communities in the state of Jammu and Kashmir. All numbers are from the Census of India in the year indicated.


Numbers from the 2011 census by district and religion are expected to be released in the next couple of months.

PS: There was no census in the state in 1951 or 1991 due to ongoing insurgency / political unrest.

Well...since your Denial D/O has no cure and hence did not see some numbers I posted 3,4 days back, I am reposting for your enlightenment and skewed analysis:

Division Population % Muslim % Hindu % Sikh % Buddhist and other
Kashmir (53.9%) 5,476,970 97.16% 1.84% 0.88% 0.11%
Jammu (43.7%) 4,430,191 30.69% 65.23% 3.57% 0.51%
Ladakh (2.3%) 236,539 47.40% 6.22% – 45.87%
Jammu and Kashmir 10,143,700 66.97% 29.63% 2.03% 1.36%
Statistics calculated from the 2001 Census India District Profiles
There are roughly 1.5 million refugees from Indian Administered Kashmir in Pakistan Administered Kashmir and other parts of Pakistan.[49] An estimated 50–100,000 Kashmiri Muslims[50][51] and 150–300,000 Kashmiri Pandits have been internally displaced due to militancy.[48][52]

So...by your graph, you are implying that the Kashmiri Pandits really did not move out of Kashmir or even J & K.

P.S. from wiki and you can look at the references shown.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Well...since your Denial D/O has no cure and hence did not see some numbers I posted 3,4 days back, I am reposting for your enlightenment and skewed analysis:

Division     Population % Muslim % Hindu % Sikh % Buddhist and other
Kashmir (53.9%) 5,476,970 97.16% 1.84% 0.88% 0.11%
Jammu (43.7%) 4,430,191 30.69% 65.23% 3.57% 0.51%
Ladakh (2.3%) 236,539 47.40% 6.22% – 45.87%
Jammu and Kashmir 10,143,700 66.97% 29.63% 2.03% 1.36%
Statistics calculated from the 2001 Census India District Profiles
There are roughly 1.5 million refugees from Indian Administered Kashmir in Pakistan Administered Kashmir and other parts of Pakistan.[49] An estimated 50–100,000 Kashmiri Muslims[50][51] and 150–300,000 Kashmiri Pandits have been internally displaced due to militancy.[48][52]

Those are the exact same numbers I showed in my chart for 2001: 67% Muslims, 30% Hindus, and 3% of other religions!

Idéfix wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Well...since your Denial D/O has no cure and hence did not see some numbers I posted 3,4 days back, I am reposting for your enlightenment and skewed analysis:

Division     Population % Muslim % Hindu % Sikh % Buddhist and other
Kashmir (53.9%) 5,476,970 97.16% 1.84% 0.88% 0.11%
Jammu (43.7%) 4,430,191 30.69% 65.23% 3.57% 0.51%
Ladakh (2.3%) 236,539 47.40% 6.22% – 45.87%
Jammu and Kashmir 10,143,700 66.97% 29.63% 2.03% 1.36%
Statistics calculated from the 2001 Census India District Profiles
There are roughly 1.5 million refugees from Indian Administered Kashmir in Pakistan Administered Kashmir and other parts of Pakistan.[49] An estimated 50–100,000 Kashmiri Muslims[50][51] and 150–300,000 Kashmiri Pandits have been internally displaced due to militancy.[48][52]

Those are the exact same numbers I showed in my chart for 2001: 67% Muslims, 30% Hindus, and 3% of other religions!

I know you posted the current numbers and I was referring to the % of muslims in Kashmir and now in Jammu.... and of course, you "conveniently" did not comment on that...

Are you saying that there was no Kashmiri Pandit movement out of Kashmir in 1991, a fear that is recurring now regarding hindu cleansing from Jammu region?

The Kashmiri Pandits had stably constituted approximately 14 to 15 per cent of the population of the valley during Dogra rule (1846–1947). 20 per cent of them had left the Kashmir valley as a consequence of the 1948 Muslim riots and 1950 land reforms,[15] By 1981 the Pandit population amounted to 5 per cent of the total.[16] They began to leave in much greater numbers in the 1990s. According to a number of authors, approximately 100,000 of the total Kashmiri Pandit population of 140,000 left the valley during that decade.[17] Other authors have suggested a higher figure for the exodus, ranging from the entire population of over 150,000,[18] to 190,000 of a total Pandit population of 200,000,[19] to a number as high as 350,000.[20] The Pandits were subjected to numerous indignities and brutalities[21] before they were driven out of Kashmir by militants who reportedly were able to do so with the patronization of the ISI.[21][22] Many of the refugee Kashmiri Pandits have been living in abject conditions in refugee camps of Jammu.[21] The government has reported on the terrorist threats to Pandits still living in the Kashmir region.[22][23]

In 2010, the Government of Jammu and Kashmir noted that 808 Pandit families, comprising 3,445 people, were still living in the Valley and that financial and other incentives put in place to encourage others to return there had been unsuccessful. 219 members of the community had been killed in the region between 1989 and 2004 but none thereafter.[24]

The exiled community had hoped to return after the situation improved. They have not done so because the situation in the Valley remains unstable and they fear a risk to their lives.[25]

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Since the Pandit population moved only to Jammu, per Idefix and PiSS members, there has been no ethnic cleansing in J & K. Now Ladakh has minority Budhists, and all hindus will be herded to Jammu City and the nearby areas forcing them to develop a sprawling Dharavi, with the rest of the state claiming Muslim majority.

Of course, there is no ethnic cleansing - still. If the J & K is divided into 3 states, then Hindus will get only a piece of J & K or justthe Jammu city.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Well...since your Denial D/O has no cure and hence did not see some numbers I posted 3,4 days back, I am reposting for your enlightenment and skewed analysis:

Division     Population % Muslim % Hindu % Sikh % Buddhist and other
Kashmir (53.9%) 5,476,970 97.16% 1.84% 0.88% 0.11%
Jammu (43.7%) 4,430,191 30.69% 65.23% 3.57% 0.51%
Ladakh (2.3%) 236,539 47.40% 6.22% – 45.87%
Jammu and Kashmir 10,143,700 66.97% 29.63% 2.03% 1.36%
Statistics calculated from the 2001 Census India District Profiles
There are roughly 1.5 million refugees from Indian Administered Kashmir in Pakistan Administered Kashmir and other parts of Pakistan.[49] An estimated 50–100,000 Kashmiri Muslims[50][51] and 150–300,000 Kashmiri Pandits have been internally displaced due to militancy.[48][52]

Those are the exact same numbers I showed in my chart for 2001: 67% Muslims, 30% Hindus, and 3% of other religions!

I know you posted the current numbers and I was referring to the % of muslims in Kashmir and now in Jammu.... and of course, you "conveniently" did not comment on that...

The 2001 numbers you posted by division show that Hindus are 65% of the population of Jammu. You are not showing what that percentage was in previous census years. So you have not presented any data to support your contention of a trend of reducing Hindu population in Jammu.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Are you saying that there was no Kashmiri Pandit movement out of Kashmir in 1991,

Yes, there was ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits in Kashmir Valley, where they were a small minority. People were forced out of their homes, and those who refused were targeted for murder by the separatists.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:a fear that is recurring now regarding hindu cleansing from Jammu region?

This fear is somewhere between nonsensical and wildly overblown, given that Hindus are just under two-thirds of the population of Jammu. Unless you believe that most Hindus are like the NRI Patriots of SuCH and are easily scared away Muslims, or that Muslims are somehow stronger than them, it is hard to imagine how a 30% minority group can remove a group that is more than double its size. So I wonder whether most of your "fear" arises from your self-perception of your own weakness or inadequacy compared to Muslims.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Since the Pandit population moved only to Jammu, per Idefix and PiSS members, there has been no ethnic cleansing in J & K.

This is your own unique brand of nonsense. There absolutely was ethnic cleansing in Kashmir Valley, where the Hindu minority was targeted and forced to move out on the pain of death and rape.

That does not mean that Muslims, who are 30% of the population of Jammu division, can somehow cleanse Jammu of the 65% Hindu population. There was about one Hindu for every eight Muslims in Kashmir valley when the ethnic cleansing Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

Idéfix wrote:The 2001 numbers you posted by division show that Hindus are 65% of the population of Jammu. You are not showing what that percentage was in previous census years. So you have not presented any data to support your contention of a trend of reducing Hindu population in Jammu.

I found the 1981 census numbers for percentage of Hindus and Muslims in Jammu division.

Here is how the numbers compare:

Community	1981	2001
Muslims	30%	30%
Hindus	66%	67%
Others	4%	3%

That's right; the percentage of Hindus in Jammu division increased marginally by less than one percentage point between the 1981 and 2001 census years. We will find out in the next few months what has happened since. The source of the 1981 numbers is a Kashmiri Pandit website.

http://www.kashmir-information.com/crescent/chapter5.html

Idéfix wrote:There was about one Hindu for every eight Muslims in Kashmir valley when the ethnic cleansing Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

I was wrong when I said this earlier. Per the data you posted yourself, the correct math is:

There was about one Hindu for every eight nineteen Muslims in Kashmir vallley when the ethnic cleansing of Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

Idéfix wrote:

Idéfix wrote:There was about one Hindu for every eight Muslims in Kashmir valley when the ethnic cleansing Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

I was wrong when I said this earlier. Per the data you posted yourself, the correct math is:

There was about one Hindu for every eight nineteen Muslims in Kashmir vallley when the ethnic cleansing of Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

Here is an interesting read that I posted the other day, discusses politics behind census collection in  J & K, a decade old article

http://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1721/17210360.htm

Idéfix wrote:

Idéfix wrote:There was about one Hindu for every eight Muslims in Kashmir valley when the ethnic cleansing Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

I was wrong when I said this earlier. Per the data you posted yourself, the correct math is:

There was about one Hindu for every eight nineteen Muslims in Kashmir vallley when the ethnic cleansing of Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

Either you don't realize you are comparing apples and oranges or you think no one will notice the difference between them.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

Idéfix wrote:There was about one Hindu for every eight Muslims in Kashmir valley when the ethnic cleansing Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

I was wrong when I said this earlier. Per the data you posted yourself, the correct math is:

There was about one Hindu for every eight nineteen Muslims in Kashmir vallley when the ethnic cleansing of Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

Either you don't realize you are comparing apples and oranges or you think no one will notice the difference between them.

Nice job ignoring this!

Community	1981	2001
Muslims	30%	30%
Hindus	66%	67%
Others	4%	3%

confuzzled dude wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

Idéfix wrote:There was about one Hindu for every eight Muslims in Kashmir valley when the ethnic cleansing Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

I was wrong when I said this earlier. Per the data you posted yourself, the correct math is:

There was about one Hindu for every eight nineteen Muslims in Kashmir vallley when the ethnic cleansing of Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

Here is an interesting read that I posted the other day, discusses politics behind census collection in  J & K, a decade old article

http://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1721/17210360.htm

Thanks, that is a good article. It would be great to see a similar story on the 2001 and 2011 census operations and findings.

Idéfix wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

Idéfix wrote:There was about one Hindu for every eight Muslims in Kashmir valley when the ethnic cleansing Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

I was wrong when I said this earlier. Per the data you posted yourself, the correct math is:

There was about one Hindu for every eight nineteen Muslims in Kashmir vallley when the ethnic cleansing of Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

Either you don't realize you are comparing apples and oranges or you think no one will notice the difference between them.

Nice job ignoring this!

Community	1981	2001
Muslims	30%	30%
Hindus	66%	67%
Others	4%	3%

You STILL did not get it. You are talkng about the J & K (I know the population of Hindus is still around 30%), but what I am saying is hindus have been driven away from Kashmir REGION (down from 15% to 2.9% now), and the iSlamis are working on clearing swaths of region within the JAMMU segment. That way they can claim an EXPANDED Kashmir region to merge with PakiSatan.

You know exactly what I said and saying but just kept ignoring.

You were fear mongering about ethnic cleansing in Jammu region and I showed data that makes that claim implausible. It is impossible for a 30% minority to forcibly displace a group more than double their size without government or military support.

The table above is not for the whole state. It shows the Jammu region.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:The Kashmiri Pandits had stably constituted approximately 14 to 15 per cent of the population of the valley during Dogra rule (1846–1947). 20 per cent of them had left the Kashmir valley as a consequence of the 1948 Muslim riots and 1950 land reforms,[15] By 1981 the Pandit population amounted to 5 per cent of the total.[16] They began to leave in much greater numbers in the 1990s.

Weren't many of the Pandits feudal landlords that alienated Muslims for the most part. I'm not trying to justify what transpired later in the '80s but we can draw parallels with Telangana feudal lords and their wars with Naxalites though ISI backed Mujaheddins probably are 100 times or more dangerous.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:The Kashmiri Pandits had stably constituted approximately 14 to 15 per cent of the population of the valley during Dogra rule (1846–1947). 20 per cent of them had left the Kashmir valley as a consequence of the 1948 Muslim riots and 1950 land reforms,[15] By 1981 the Pandit population amounted to 5 per cent of the total.[16] They began to leave in much greater numbers in the 1990s.

Weren't many of the Pandits feudal landlords that alienated Muslims for the most part. I'm not trying to justify what transpired later in the '80s but we can draw parallels with Telangana feudal lords and their wars with Naxalites though ISI backed Mujaheddins probably are 100 times or more dangerous.

So significant Pandits were thrown out in 1948... and what did Pandit Nehru do ? pandered to Muslims. Then they carried out Phase 2 in 1980, then in 1990, now they are expanding it to Jammu region. Isn't it the iSlamic way ? little by little, hammering the nail until the last nail in the coffin ?

So ??? Weren't mostof the muslims alienated hindus ? why are they not being given the same treatment as the Kashmiri Pandits?

Idéfix wrote:

Idéfix wrote:There was about one Hindu for every eight Muslims in Kashmir valley when the ethnic cleansing Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

I was wrong when I said this earlier. Per the data you posted yourself, the correct math is:

There was about one Hindu for every eight nineteen Muslims in Kashmir vallley when the ethnic cleansing of Pandits happened. The ratio in Jammu now is more than two Hindus for every one Muslim.

 I wonder how many of the fleeing Pandits moved to Jammu. If a significant number did, the 67/30 might suggest that the local Muslim men were busy removing the burkas to maintain their 30%!  My biased conclusion he he he.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
So significant Pandits were thrown out in 1948... and what did Pandit Nehru do ? pandered to Muslims. Then they carried out Phase 2 in 1980, then in 1990, now they are expanding it to Jammu region. Isn't it the iSlamic way ? little by little, hammering the nail until the  last nail in the coffin ?

If I were to hazard a guess majority of them that left the valley in '50s because of land reforms, less to do with riots.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
So ??? Weren't mostof the muslims alienated hindus ? why are they not being given the same treatment as the Kashmiri Pandits?

There is no doubt Indian govt failed to protect Kashmir Pundits despite deploying 100s of thousands of military.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
So significant Pandits were thrown out in 1948... and what did Pandit Nehru do ? pandered to Muslims. Then they carried out Phase 2 in 1980, then in 1990, now they are expanding it to Jammu region. Isn't it the iSlamic way ? little by little, hammering the nail until the  last nail in the coffin ?

If I were to hazard a guess majority of them that left the valley in '50s because of land reforms, less to do with riots.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
So ??? Weren't mostof the muslims alienated hindus ? why are they not being given the same treatment as the Kashmiri Pandits?

There is no doubt Indian govt failed to protect Kashmir Pundits despite deploying 100s of thousands of military.

Yes..but how about giving them incentives and land and jobs to go back to the Valley - once the rioting ended?

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
So significant Pandits were thrown out in 1948... and what did Pandit Nehru do ? pandered to Muslims. Then they carried out Phase 2 in 1980, then in 1990, now they are expanding it to Jammu region. Isn't it the iSlamic way ? little by little, hammering the nail until the  last nail in the coffin ?

If I were to hazard a guess majority of them that left the valley in '50s because of land reforms, less to do with riots.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
So ??? Weren't mostof the muslims alienated hindus ? why are they not being given the same treatment as the Kashmiri Pandits?

There is no doubt Indian govt failed to protect Kashmir Pundits despite deploying 100s of thousands of military.

Yes..but how about giving them incentives and land and jobs to go back to the Valley - once the rioting ended?

Good question, you should pose this to BJP govt and blame them

a. for not showing similar enthusiasm to protect pundits as shown in kargil war
b. for not bifurcating J & K

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
So significant Pandits were thrown out in 1948... and what did Pandit Nehru do ? pandered to Muslims. Then they carried out Phase 2 in 1980, then in 1990, now they are expanding it to Jammu region. Isn't it the iSlamic way ? little by little, hammering the nail until the  last nail in the coffin ?

If I were to hazard a guess majority of them that left the valley in '50s because of land reforms, less to do with riots.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
So ??? Weren't mostof the muslims alienated hindus ? why are they not being given the same treatment as the Kashmiri Pandits?

There is no doubt Indian govt failed to protect Kashmir Pundits despite deploying 100s of thousands of military.

Yes..but how about giving them incentives and land and jobs to go back to the Valley - once the rioting ended?

Good question, you should pose this to BJP govt and blame them

a. for not showing similar enthusiasm to protect pundits as shown in kargil war
b. for not bifurcating J & K

Great PiSSy response

confuzzled dude wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Shush sir. Uppili Aunty and her latest companion, TBT, are in the middle of a frenzied, limp-wristed breast-beating over how those scary Islamis are killing all the Hindus and seceding to PakiSatan. Please don't interrupt this extremely pleasurable activity with your mundane details and boring facts.

Thank you for relieving SaamiYaar of insufferable agony. I was worried lack of responses from PS gang may cause him to slip into severe depression, he was getting all emotional cantillating "nee begane baaro" restlessly.

Lol. I have a soft corner for Upps Aunty. It breaks my heart to see her forlornly awaiting some response to her trolling attempts and an acknowledgment of her sorry existence. I'm glad for her that this thread of hers eventually blossomed so well, thanks to PiSS benevolence. Must have provided many minutes of distraction from the painful daily grind that poor conquered woman lives through.