Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

....have posted some pics earlier.

But, this webpage-blog is phenomenal...pics, maps, drawings from 1750, 1800, 1900, and 1950.  It even has a map of Madras from 1750s showing CLEARLY the two towns "Madarasa Patnam AND Chenna Patnam". And of course, 1900 map of Madras...

Madarasapatnam is the area of Fort station, high court, Parrys Corner upto the current beach Station.  

Chennaptnam is to the north Vyasarpadi, Mint, Washermanpet.

Finally, the mystery Madras/Chennai is solved. This is what I have been insisting all along. Both are legit names.

garam_kuta wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

....have posted some pics earlier.

But, this webpage-blog is phenomenal...pics, maps, drawings from 1750, 1800, 1900, and 1950.  It even has a map of Madras from 1750s showing CLEARLY the two towns "Madarasa Patnam AND Chenna Patnam". And of course, 1900 map of Madras...

Madarasapatnam is the area of Fort station, high court, Parrys Corner upto the current beach Station.  

Chennaptnam is to the north Vyasarpadi, Mint, Washermanpet.

Finally, the mystery Madras/Chennai is solved. This is what I have been insisting all along. Both are legit names.

wow..really.."  CHENNAI[ORIGINATED]FROM'CHINA- patnam'-there was a Chinese merchants town in ancient times ;according to 19 th century book by English man...

were they uprooted and gone without a trace- these chinese merchants ??

so saamiyar.. you prefer madras or chennai

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Here is more for Uppili:

http://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/vignettes-of-villages-the-making-of-madras/article5261251.ece?homepage=true

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Here is more for Uppili:

http://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/vignettes-of-villages-the-making-of-madras/article5261251.ece?homepage=true

it is sort of sad that very very few people in Madras or even those living and working around Mylapore/Triplicane even realize the ancient history of these two institutions. Although not religious and barely a theist, I go to all these temples and look at the main deities as the only things that relate our present to our eternal past and ancestors with a sense of permanency.

My grandfather used to describe his life and everything about Madras.  The streets and houses built and in general its development. The only grandchild who did not find it boring and listened to every word of his. Then followed descriptions and development of the city by my father, and then as witnessed by myself...A sort of continuity and when I see streets, buildings, and other shops and structures, these descriptions run through my mind like a movie.

So in short when I see these towns and cities these days, it is always with a +/- mix of feelings.

Kris wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Here is more for Uppili:

http://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/vignettes-of-villages-the-making-of-madras/article5261251.ece?homepage=true

it is sort of sad that very very few people in Madras or even those living and working around Mylapore/Triplicane even realize the ancient history of these two institutions. Although not religious and barely a theist, I go to all these temples and look at the main deities as the only things that relate our present to our eternal past and ancestors with a sense of permanency.

My grandfather used to describe his life and everything about Madras.  The streets and houses built and in general its development. The only grandchild who did not find it boring and listened to every word of his. Then followed descriptions and development of the city by my father, and then as witnessed by myself...A sort of continuity and when I see streets, buildings, and other shops and structures, these descriptions run through my mind like a movie.

So in short when I see these towns and cities these days, it is always with a +/- mix of feelings.

>>>I imagine the old Madras started giving way to the new Madras, with the advent of flats in the 70s(?). Certain pockets probably held out a little longer, maybe Mylapore. It is still a sore point in our family that my maternal grandfather sold his house in Usman road in T.Nagar in the late 50s, thereby missing out on a windfall that would come within two generations. My father and some of the older folks in the family used to talk about riding the trams, for very nominal fares. Even when I was a kid, we could see remnants of those tracks here and there in Usman road.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Kris wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Here is more for Uppili:

http://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/vignettes-of-villages-the-making-of-madras/article5261251.ece?homepage=true

it is sort of sad that very very few people in Madras or even those living and working around Mylapore/Triplicane even realize the ancient history of these two institutions. Although not religious and barely a theist, I go to all these temples and look at the main deities as the only things that relate our present to our eternal past and ancestors with a sense of permanency.

My grandfather used to describe his life and everything about Madras.  The streets and houses built and in general its development. The only grandchild who did not find it boring and listened to every word of his. Then followed descriptions and development of the city by my father, and then as witnessed by myself...A sort of continuity and when I see streets, buildings, and other shops and structures, these descriptions run through my mind like a movie.

So in short when I see these towns and cities these days, it is always with a +/- mix of feelings.

>>>I imagine the old Madras started giving way to the new Madras, with the advent of flats in the 70s(?). Certain pockets probably held out a little longer, maybe Mylapore. It is still a sore point in our family that my maternal grandfather sold his house in Usman road in T.Nagar in the late 50s, thereby missing out on a windfall that would come within two generations. My father and some of the older folks in the family used to talk about riding the trams, for very nominal fares. Even when I was a kid, we could see remnants of those tracks here and there in Usman road.

Not in Usman Road...but rather Mount Road. They covered it up in the 70s. The flats started coming mid to late 80s. In the 90s the owners started selling empty grounds infront of the houses. Then the houses themselves. There were NO SHOPS on Ramanathan st, Mangesh Street, Motilal Street, etc...in the 80s.by 90s things changed. There was a long gap of 9 years that I did not go to India in mid 90s to early 2000s. EVERYTHING had transformed in that period, a time when Netscape also showed up. I still have a couple of uncles who might fill me in with more details.  The tall shops on Usman Road started coming up in late 90s.