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Hmm.. aren't all Mosques & Dargahs open to everyone unlike Hindu temples.
Hmm.. aren't all Mosques & Dargahs open to everyone unlike Hindu temples.
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Cd
unlike Hindu temples?
which Hindu temple check your religion?
unlike Hindu temples?
which Hindu temple check your religion?
truthbetold- Posts : 6799
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truthbetold wrote:Cd
unlike Hindu temples?
which Hindu temple check your religion?
Isn't this topic discussed every 6 months on SuCH. Latest such discussion took place, as I recall, was when CM Kirankumar Reddy & his wife visited TTD. Isn't Puri temple popular for such practices e.g. not letting Indira inside?
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Are mosques open to women?
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YesHellsangel wrote:Are mosques open to women?
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In India?confuzzled dude wrote:YesHellsangel wrote:Are mosques open to women?
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Puri temple has certain rules and so does ttd . i am sure they are other temples like that. but they do not characterize all the temples.
all Hindu temples in usa are open to anyone who wants to come in. that includes women and people of faith. that reflects the current thought process of Hindus in general.
so do not pick old examples and distort facts.
but in any case, wwhich right thinking person wants join a religion like Islam with its reputation for breeding intolerance and terrorism? who wants to.go back to medieval l stupidity and ignorant arrogance?
all Hindu temples in usa are open to anyone who wants to come in. that includes women and people of faith. that reflects the current thought process of Hindus in general.
so do not pick old examples and distort facts.
but in any case, wwhich right thinking person wants join a religion like Islam with its reputation for breeding intolerance and terrorism? who wants to.go back to medieval l stupidity and ignorant arrogance?
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truthbetold wrote:Puri temple has certain rules and so does ttd . i am sure they are other temples like that. but they do not characterize all the temples.
all Hindu temples in usa are open to anyone who wants to come in. that includes women and people of faith. that reflects the current thought process of Hindus in general.
so do not pick old examples and distort facts.
but in any case, wwhich right thinking person wants join a religion like Islam with its reputation for breeding intolerance and terrorism? who wants to.go back to medieval l stupidity and ignorant arrogance?
Careful now! You don't want Comrade CD issuing a fatwa against you. Or rather getting his Kebab dinner-mates to do it.
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Hellsangel wrote:truthbetold wrote:Puri temple has certain rules and so does ttd . i am sure they are other temples like that. but they do not characterize all the temples.
all Hindu temples in usa are open to anyone who wants to come in. that includes women and people of faith. that reflects the current thought process of Hindus in general.
so do not pick old examples and distort facts.
but in any case, wwhich right thinking person wants join a religion like Islam with its reputation for breeding intolerance and terrorism? who wants to.go back to medieval l stupidity and ignorant arrogance?
Careful now! You don't want Comrade CD issuing a fatwa against you. Or rather getting his Kebab dinner-mates to do it.
Every now and then I have this urge to cane L'angelo on his bum.
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Rashmun wrote:
Every now and then I have this urge to cane L'angelo on his bum.
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bw wrote:Rashmun wrote:
Every now and then I have this urge to cane L'angelo on his bum.
I have been at the receiving end of being called Mullah or something similar on numerous occasions just because I had a different perspective or point of view. This has happened so often that I am fairly intolerant of this tactic even if it is used on another person.
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Rashmun wrote:bw wrote:Rashmun wrote:
Every now and then I have this urge to cane L'angelo on his bum.
I have been at the receiving end of being called Mullah or something similar on numerous occasions just because I had a different perspective or point of view. This has happened so often that I am fairly intolerant of this tactic even if it is used on another person.
ayyo, rashmun, desire to spank on the bum can be viewed as a kinky fetish.
eta: name calling is puerile.
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Main purpose of posting this topic was to help Uppili overcome Islamophobia.Rashmun wrote:bw wrote:Rashmun wrote:
Every now and then I have this urge to cane L'angelo on his bum.
I have been at the receiving end of being called Mullah or something similar on numerous occasions just because I had a different perspective or point of view. This has happened so often that I am fairly intolerant of this tactic even if it is used on another person.
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confuzzled dude wrote:Main purpose of posting this topic was to help Uppili overcome Islamophobia.Rashmun wrote:bw wrote:Rashmun wrote:
Every now and then I have this urge to cane L'angelo on his bum.
I have been at the receiving end of being called Mullah or something similar on numerous occasions just because I had a different perspective or point of view. This has happened so often that I am fairly intolerant of this tactic even if it is used on another person.
a very noble objective but you are wrong on your facts. the vast majority of hindu temples are open to everyone--there are very few 'only for hindu' temples. with respect to mosques, you are wrong to the best of my knowledge. as far as i know, all mosques in india and pakistan do not permit women inside the mosque. this is true for the vast majority of mosques in the world.
However, it is true that anyone from any religion and any sex can do darshan in a sufi dargah. but the ambience in a sufi dargah is reminiscent of a hindu temple. even the sufi qawaalis are somewhat reminiscent of hindu bhajans since many of these sufi songs praise hindu gods and hindu pilgrim places. both hindus and muslims visit and pray in sufi dargahs. in that sense sufi dargahs are unique places of worship.
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as a student in Canada i had a pakistani muslim friend. he used to pray together with other muslims from different countries. i once told him that i wanted to pray with him and his friends just for the experience. After all anyone should be allowed to join in a prayer to God. He said he would ask his friends and get back to me. Later he told me that his friends had said 'No' to my request. To be fair to them, maybe they thought i was a spy.
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Not really, low class Hindus (leave alone non-hindus) are not allowed inside the temples in many villages, it is getting better but not completely eliminated.Rashmun wrote:
a very noble objective but you are wrong on your facts. the vast majority of hindu temples are open to everyone--there are very few 'only for hindu' temples. with respect to mosques, you are wrong to the best of my knowledge. as far as i know, all mosques in india and pakistan do not permit women inside the mosque. this is true for the vast majority of mosques in the world.
However, it is true that anyone from any religion and any sex can do darshan in a sufi dargah. but the ambience in a sufi dargah is reminiscent of a hindu temple. even the sufi qawaalis are somewhat reminiscent of hindu bhajans since many of these sufi songs praise hindu gods and hindu pilgrim places. both hindus and muslims visit and pray in sufi dargahs. in that sense sufi dargahs are unique places of worship.
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confuzzled dude wrote:Not really, low class Hindus (leave alone non-hindus) are not allowed inside the temples in many villages, it is getting better but not completely eliminated.Rashmun wrote:
a very noble objective but you are wrong on your facts. the vast majority of hindu temples are open to everyone--there are very few 'only for hindu' temples. with respect to mosques, you are wrong to the best of my knowledge. as far as i know, all mosques in india and pakistan do not permit women inside the mosque. this is true for the vast majority of mosques in the world.
However, it is true that anyone from any religion and any sex can do darshan in a sufi dargah. but the ambience in a sufi dargah is reminiscent of a hindu temple. even the sufi qawaalis are somewhat reminiscent of hindu bhajans since many of these sufi songs praise hindu gods and hindu pilgrim places. both hindus and muslims visit and pray in sufi dargahs. in that sense sufi dargahs are unique places of worship.
this might be true in some remote village. for the most part the problem, i think, has been eliminated.
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Rashmun wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:Not really, low class Hindus (leave alone non-hindus) are not allowed inside the temples in many villages, it is getting better but not completely eliminated.Rashmun wrote:
a very noble objective but you are wrong on your facts. the vast majority of hindu temples are open to everyone--there are very few 'only for hindu' temples. with respect to mosques, you are wrong to the best of my knowledge. as far as i know, all mosques in india and pakistan do not permit women inside the mosque. this is true for the vast majority of mosques in the world.
However, it is true that anyone from any religion and any sex can do darshan in a sufi dargah. but the ambience in a sufi dargah is reminiscent of a hindu temple. even the sufi qawaalis are somewhat reminiscent of hindu bhajans since many of these sufi songs praise hindu gods and hindu pilgrim places. both hindus and muslims visit and pray in sufi dargahs. in that sense sufi dargahs are unique places of worship.
this might be true in some remote village. for the most part the problem, i think, has been eliminated.
it should also be appreciated that reforms took place in Hinduism. for instance reforms with respect to sati and widow remarriage, and also reforms about injustices in the caste system through the bhakti movement in medieval India whose proponents preached equality before God.
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>>>That room for change is definitely a big + for Hinduism. We *have* come a long way in the past couple of generations.Rashmun wrote:Rashmun wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:Not really, low class Hindus (leave alone non-hindus) are not allowed inside the temples in many villages, it is getting better but not completely eliminated.Rashmun wrote:
a very noble objective but you are wrong on your facts. the vast majority of hindu temples are open to everyone--there are very few 'only for hindu' temples. with respect to mosques, you are wrong to the best of my knowledge. as far as i know, all mosques in india and pakistan do not permit women inside the mosque. this is true for the vast majority of mosques in the world.
However, it is true that anyone from any religion and any sex can do darshan in a sufi dargah. but the ambience in a sufi dargah is reminiscent of a hindu temple. even the sufi qawaalis are somewhat reminiscent of hindu bhajans since many of these sufi songs praise hindu gods and hindu pilgrim places. both hindus and muslims visit and pray in sufi dargahs. in that sense sufi dargahs are unique places of worship.
this might be true in some remote village. for the most part the problem, i think, has been eliminated.
it should also be appreciated that reforms took place in Hinduism. for instance reforms with respect to sati and widow remarriage, and also reforms about injustices in the caste system through the bhakti movement in medieval India whose proponents preached equality before God.
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doesn't sabarimala still prohibit women from entering?
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bw wrote:doesn't sabarimala still prohibit women from entering?
if a woman is of an age where she is capable of menstruation then she is prohibited from entering Sabarimala. But this is clearly an aberration; i have never heard of this in any other temple. i know of at least one hanuman temple (in Khuldabad, Maharashtra) where women are prohibited from doing darshan from the sanctum sanctorum of the temple and the reason given is that in this temple the Hanuman idol is lying in a supine position and of course Hanuman is a brahmachari. But this is clearly an aberration as well and i know of at least one other temple (in Uttar Pradesh) where the Hanuman idol is also in a supine position but where women are permitted to pray from the sanctum sanctorum.
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Good point. Also, not to mention the menstrual period restriction which many women religiously adhere to, even today.bw wrote:doesn't sabarimala still prohibit women from entering?
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confuzzled dude wrote:Good point. Also, not to mention the menstrual period restriction which many women religiously adhere to, even today.bw wrote:doesn't sabarimala still prohibit women from entering?
why nitpick on aberrations?
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Many black Americans did; Yousouf Youhana did and, Around 5,000 British people convert to Islam every year – and most of them are women. Six of them talk about prejudice, peace and praying in car parks;Conversely how many convert to Hinduism.truthbetold wrote:Puri temple has certain rules and so does ttd . i am sure they are other temples like that. but they do not characterize all the temples.
all Hindu temples in usa are open to anyone who wants to come in. that includes women and people of faith. that reflects the current thought process of Hindus in general.
so do not pick old examples and distort facts.
but in any case, wwhich right thinking person wants join a religion like Islam with its reputation for breeding intolerance and terrorism? who wants to.go back to medieval l stupidity and ignorant arrogance?
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confuzzled dude wrote:Many black Americans did; Yousouf Youhana did and, Around 5,000 British people convert to Islam every year – and most of them are women. Six of them talk about prejudice, peace and praying in car parks;Conversely how many convert to Hinduism.truthbetold wrote:Puri temple has certain rules and so does ttd . i am sure they are other temples like that. but they do not characterize all the temples.
all Hindu temples in usa are open to anyone who wants to come in. that includes women and people of faith. that reflects the current thought process of Hindus in general.
so do not pick old examples and distort facts.
but in any case, wwhich right thinking person wants join a religion like Islam with its reputation for breeding intolerance and terrorism? who wants to.go back to medieval l stupidity and ignorant arrogance?
just go to any hare krishna temple in america. typically at least 50% of the the devotees will be converts to Hinduism.
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This is not an aberration, majority of Indian women follow this custom they don't perform pooja even in their house during that period.Rashmun wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:Good point. Also, not to mention the menstrual period restriction which many women religiously adhere to, even today.bw wrote:doesn't sabarimala still prohibit women from entering?
why nitpick on aberrations?
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confuzzled dude wrote:This is not an aberration, majority of Indian women follow this custom they don't perform pooja even in their house during that period.Rashmun wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:Good point. Also, not to mention the menstrual period restriction which many women religiously adhere to, even today.bw wrote:doesn't sabarimala still prohibit women from entering?
why nitpick on aberrations?
i am a north indian from uttar pradesh which is the most populous state in India. i have never heard of any woman in Uttar Pradesh following the custom that you speak of.
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confuzzled dude wrote:Many black Americans did; Yousouf Youhana did and, Around 5,000 British people convert to Islam every year – and most of them are women. Six of them talk about prejudice, peace and praying in car parks;Conversely how many convert to Hinduism.truthbetold wrote:Puri temple has certain rules and so does ttd . i am sure they are other temples like that. but they do not characterize all the temples.
all Hindu temples in usa are open to anyone who wants to come in. that includes women and people of faith. that reflects the current thought process of Hindus in general.
so do not pick old examples and distort facts.
but in any case, wwhich right thinking person wants join a religion like Islam with its reputation for breeding intolerance and terrorism? who wants to.go back to medieval l stupidity and ignorant arrogance?
AR Rahman too.
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Rashmun wrote:bw wrote:doesn't sabarimala still prohibit women from entering?
if a woman is of an age where she is capable of menstruation then she is prohibited from entering Sabarimala. But this is clearly an aberration; i have never heard of this in any other temple. i know of at least one hanuman temple (in Khuldabad, Maharashtra) where women are prohibited from doing darshan from the sanctum sanctorum of the temple and the reason given is that in this temple the Hanuman idol is lying in a supine position and of course Hanuman is a brahmachari. But this is clearly an aberration as well and i know of at least one other temple (in Uttar Pradesh) where the Hanuman idol is also in a supine position but where women are permitted to pray from the sanctum sanctorum.
Maulana ji: Women who are having their HA days are never allowed in any temple. However, there is no way to find out and women themselves - out of fear of incurring the gods wrath - stay out during those days (will not even enter the temple premise). Hanuman or no hanuman.
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Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Rashmun wrote:bw wrote:doesn't sabarimala still prohibit women from entering?
if a woman is of an age where she is capable of menstruation then she is prohibited from entering Sabarimala. But this is clearly an aberration; i have never heard of this in any other temple. i know of at least one hanuman temple (in Khuldabad, Maharashtra) where women are prohibited from doing darshan from the sanctum sanctorum of the temple and the reason given is that in this temple the Hanuman idol is lying in a supine position and of course Hanuman is a brahmachari. But this is clearly an aberration as well and i know of at least one other temple (in Uttar Pradesh) where the Hanuman idol is also in a supine position but where women are permitted to pray from the sanctum sanctorum.
Maulana ji: Women who are having their HA days are never allowed in any temple. However, there is no way to find out and women themselves - out of fear of incurring the gods wrath - stay out during those days (will not even enter the temple premise). Hanuman or no hanuman.
Uppili the Poopili, what you are saying may hold true for Gounder women, but it does not hold true for UP women. But i will get this confirmed. On another note, how is your pooping disorder treating your these days?
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Rashmun wrote:Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Rashmun wrote:bw wrote:doesn't sabarimala still prohibit women from entering?
if a woman is of an age where she is capable of menstruation then she is prohibited from entering Sabarimala. But this is clearly an aberration; i have never heard of this in any other temple. i know of at least one hanuman temple (in Khuldabad, Maharashtra) where women are prohibited from doing darshan from the sanctum sanctorum of the temple and the reason given is that in this temple the Hanuman idol is lying in a supine position and of course Hanuman is a brahmachari. But this is clearly an aberration as well and i know of at least one other temple (in Uttar Pradesh) where the Hanuman idol is also in a supine position but where women are permitted to pray from the sanctum sanctorum.
Maulana ji: Women who are having their HA days are never allowed in any temple. However, there is no way to find out and women themselves - out of fear of incurring the gods wrath - stay out during those days (will not even enter the temple premise). Hanuman or no hanuman.
Uppili the Poopili, what you are saying may hold true for Gounder women, but it does not hold true for UP women. But i will get this confirmed. On another note, how is your pooping disorder treating your these days?
Naarthie temples are duplicates of long last original temples, and whatever is practiced in these temples are not the original and traditional practices. You need to go south of the vindhyas to see the original and real hinduism that was practiced 2000 years ago.
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Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Rashmun wrote:Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Rashmun wrote:bw wrote:doesn't sabarimala still prohibit women from entering?
if a woman is of an age where she is capable of menstruation then she is prohibited from entering Sabarimala. But this is clearly an aberration; i have never heard of this in any other temple. i know of at least one hanuman temple (in Khuldabad, Maharashtra) where women are prohibited from doing darshan from the sanctum sanctorum of the temple and the reason given is that in this temple the Hanuman idol is lying in a supine position and of course Hanuman is a brahmachari. But this is clearly an aberration as well and i know of at least one other temple (in Uttar Pradesh) where the Hanuman idol is also in a supine position but where women are permitted to pray from the sanctum sanctorum.
Maulana ji: Women who are having their HA days are never allowed in any temple. However, there is no way to find out and women themselves - out of fear of incurring the gods wrath - stay out during those days (will not even enter the temple premise). Hanuman or no hanuman.
Uppili the Poopili, what you are saying may hold true for Gounder women, but it does not hold true for UP women. But i will get this confirmed. On another note, how is your pooping disorder treating your these days?
Naarthie temples are duplicates of long last original temples, and whatever is practiced in these temples are not the original and traditional practices. You need to go south of the vindhyas to see the original and real hinduism that was practiced 2000 years ago.
is that why Tamilians throng to the Kashi Vishwanath temple and take a dip in the Ganges at Benaras and Prayag? Is that why Vaisnava Tamils throng to the temples of Mathura and Vrindavan? Is that why a practicing south indian hindu like sandilya (Vakavaka) took the ashes of his father to immerse in the Ganges in North India? Just ask Vakavaka where is the best place in India for a hindu to do shraadha of his ancestors? the place he will tell you is in North India. (I know because he and I discussed this long ago.)
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confuzzled dude wrote:Many black Americans did; Yousouf Youhana did and, Around 5,000 British people convert to Islam every year – and most of them are women. Six of them talk about prejudice, peace and praying in car parks;Conversely how many convert to Hinduism.truthbetold wrote:Puri temple has certain rules and so does ttd . i am sure they are other temples like that. but they do not characterize all the temples.
all Hindu temples in usa are open to anyone who wants to come in. that includes women and people of faith. that reflects the current thought process of Hindus in general.
so do not pick old examples and distort facts.
but in any case, wwhich right thinking person wants join a religion like Islam with its reputation for breeding intolerance and terrorism? who wants to.go back to medieval l stupidity and ignorant arrogance?
>>>If they are converting to an ideology of 'my way or the highway (to hell)' and 'anyone who doesn't believe as I do is an infidel', they cannot be categorized as right-thinking. People convert for many reasons. Blacks in the US do/did to give themselves a new identity, one that is different from the one that was given to them during slavery. We cannot really classify that as being purely motivated by an attraction to a philosophy. I can see that somewhat in the case of people embracing sufi-ism or the ba'hai faith, but not mainstream Islam as we see it today. The comparison with Hinduism is a difficult one because Hindus are not looking to propagate their faith. In terms of people who do embrace Hindu modes of living (yoga, meditation etc) in the West, you will find that there is a much higher direct correlation with educational levels than the Islamic converts you are referring to.
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Rashmun wrote:Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Rashmun wrote:Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Rashmun wrote:
if a woman is of an age where she is capable of menstruation then she is prohibited from entering Sabarimala. But this is clearly an aberration; i have never heard of this in any other temple. i know of at least one hanuman temple (in Khuldabad, Maharashtra) where women are prohibited from doing darshan from the sanctum sanctorum of the temple and the reason given is that in this temple the Hanuman idol is lying in a supine position and of course Hanuman is a brahmachari. But this is clearly an aberration as well and i know of at least one other temple (in Uttar Pradesh) where the Hanuman idol is also in a supine position but where women are permitted to pray from the sanctum sanctorum.
Maulana ji: Women who are having their HA days are never allowed in any temple. However, there is no way to find out and women themselves - out of fear of incurring the gods wrath - stay out during those days (will not even enter the temple premise). Hanuman or no hanuman.
Uppili the Poopili, what you are saying may hold true for Gounder women, but it does not hold true for UP women. But i will get this confirmed. On another note, how is your pooping disorder treating your these days?
Naarthie temples are duplicates of long last original temples, and whatever is practiced in these temples are not the original and traditional practices. You need to go south of the vindhyas to see the original and real hinduism that was practiced 2000 years ago.
is that why Tamilians throng to the Kashi Vishwanath temple and take a dip in the Ganges at Benaras and Prayag? Is that why Vaisnava Tamils throng to the temples of Mathura and Vrindavan? Is that why a practicing south indian hindu like sandilya (Vakavaka) took the ashes of his father to immerse in the Ganges in North India? Just ask Vakavaka where is the best place in India for a hindu to do shraadha of his ancestors? the place he will tell you is in North India. (I know because he and I discussed this long ago.)
ok i just checked and it turns out that a menstruating hindu woman is not permitted to do pooja or go to temple, etc. even in north india. however, sabarimala is an exception in the following sense:
if a woman is not menstruating at a particular point of time, but she is of an age in which she does experience menstrual cycles every month, then she is not permitted to enter the temple. in other words, only a very young girl or and older woman is ordinarily permitted to enter Sabarimala.
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rashMarathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Rashmun wrote:bw wrote:doesn't sabarimala still prohibit women from entering?
if a woman is of an age where she is capable of menstruation then she is prohibited from entering Sabarimala. But this is clearly an aberration; i have never heard of this in any other temple. i know of at least one hanuman temple (in Khuldabad, Maharashtra) where women are prohibited from doing darshan from the sanctum sanctorum of the temple and the reason given is that in this temple the Hanuman idol is lying in a supine position and of course Hanuman is a brahmachari. But this is clearly an aberration as well and i know of at least one other temple (in Uttar Pradesh) where the Hanuman idol is also in a supine position but where women are permitted to pray from the sanctum sanctorum.
Maulana ji: Women who are having their HA days are never allowed in any temple. However, there is no way to find out and women themselves - out of fear of incurring the gods wrath - stay out during those days (will not even enter the temple premise). Hanuman or no hanuman.
uppili was factual. that is a widely practiced belief.
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cdconfuzzled dude wrote:Many black Americans did; Yousouf Youhana did and, Around 5,000 British people convert to Islam every year – and most of them are women. Six of them talk about prejudice, peace and praying in car parks;Conversely how many convert to Hinduism.truthbetold wrote:Puri temple has certain rules and so does ttd . i am sure they are other temples like that. but they do not characterize all the temples.
all Hindu temples in usa are open to anyone who wants to come in. that includes women and people of faith. that reflects the current thought process of Hindus in general.
so do not pick old examples and distort facts.
but in any case, wwhich right thinking person wants join a religion like Islam with its reputation for breeding intolerance and terrorism? who wants to.go back to medieval l stupidity and ignorant arrogance?
read my post carefully. i said "right thinking person". people followed pol pot of.Cambodia and Hitler of Germany. that proves nothing. if anything that says they are some gullible who can be manipulated by extreme philosophies to cause immense harm to humanity.
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Kris wrote:
>>>If they are converting to an ideology of 'my way or the highway (to hell)' and 'anyone who doesn't believe as I do is an infidel', they cannot be categorized as right-thinking. People convert for many reasons. Blacks in the US do/did to give themselves a new identity, one that is different from the one that was given to them during slavery. We cannot really classify that as being purely motivated by an attraction to a philosophy. I can see that somewhat in the case of people embracing sufi-ism or the ba'hai faith, but not mainstream Islam as we see it today. The comparison with Hinduism is a difficult one because Hindus are not looking to propagate their faith. In terms of people who do embrace Hindu modes of living (yoga, meditation etc) in the West, you will find that there is a much higher direct correlation with educational levels than the Islamic converts you are referring to.
I'm afraid we're painting it with a broad brush. An average Muslim is no different than an average Hindu or Christian. I don't think he is any more or less radical than any person of other faith.
As for Hinduism, we always like to take pride by bringing up proselytization angle but forget to add that many Hindus (lower class in particular) chose to leave because of the mistreatment meted out to them.
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What's the definition of this "right thinking" trait? I hope you don't mean RIGHT thinking as in conservative thinking Do you think Yousuf Youhana & AR Rahaman are both gullible and radical?truthbetold wrote:
cd
read my post carefully. i said "right thinking person". people followed pol pot of.Cambodia and Hitler of Germany. that proves nothing. if anything that says they are some gullible who can be manipulated by extreme philosophies to cause immense harm to humanity.
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confuzzled dude wrote:What's the definition of this "right thinking" trait? I hotruthbetold wrote:
cd
read my post carefully. i said "right thinking person". people followed pol pot of.Cambodia and Hitler of Germany. that proves nothing. if anything that says they are some gullible who can be manipulated by extreme philosophies to cause immense harm to humanity.
pe you don't mean RIGHT thinking as in conservative thinking Do you think Yousuf Youhana & AR Rahaman are both gullible and radical?
right thinking person is one who can identify rahul is incompetent and a cleric who incites violence is dangerous and common sense like that.
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Rahul did not incite anything nor he acted like a cleric. In his defense, Rahul tried his best to avoid that question but Arnab kept on pushing him for an answer he wanted to hear.truthbetold wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:What's the definition of this "right thinking" trait? I hotruthbetold wrote:
cd
read my post carefully. i said "right thinking person". people followed pol pot of.Cambodia and Hitler of Germany. that proves nothing. if anything that says they are some gullible who can be manipulated by extreme philosophies to cause immense harm to humanity.
pe you don't mean RIGHT thinking as in conservative thinking Do you think Yousuf Youhana & AR Rahaman are both gullible and radical?
right thinking person is one who can identify rahul is incompetent and a cleric who incites violence is dangerous and common sense like that.
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Rahul showed his inexperience and immaturity in the interview. I was surprised that the family couldn't provide him with a better set of intellectual faculties than he exhibited. He has gone through a lot but the least I would have expected is a careful shielding of 'entitlements' in his childhood, allowing him to absorb and internalize the history of his family and the forces he will deal with, in his adulthood. Indira did a good job of it with Rajiv, not so much with Sanjay. Unfortunately Sonia, displaced as she was from her culture and trying her best to fit into the complex tapestry of India, has failed with Rahul. It must be difficult in the 'house of mirrors' that Congress is, and Rahul speaking about the 'system' just makes us say, 'that's rich, coming from you!'
He could've said, "I think Modi is morally culpable for the riots...the courts may have cleared him and we can argue about the technicalities and legal interpretations, but in my mind and the minds of a large majority of Indians, he stands indicted" - for him to weasel out of such a straight answer showed he was being an amateur politician and not a leader.
He could've said, "I think Modi is morally culpable for the riots...the courts may have cleared him and we can argue about the technicalities and legal interpretations, but in my mind and the minds of a large majority of Indians, he stands indicted" - for him to weasel out of such a straight answer showed he was being an amateur politician and not a leader.
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Cd
I am a little puzzled. one does not need the additional proof of arnab's interview to recognize rahul's incompetence.
I am a little puzzled. one does not need the additional proof of arnab's interview to recognize rahul's incompetence.
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truthbetold wrote:Cd
I am a little puzzled. one does not need the additional proof of arnab's interview to recognize rahul's incompetence.
From now on I am thinking of supporting Rahul.
He is an innocent and ignorant idiot and incapable of any wrong doing.
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cdconfuzzled dude wrote:What's the definition of this "right thinking" trait? I hope you don't mean RIGHT thinking as in conservative thinking Do you think Yousuf Youhana & AR Rahaman are both gullible and radical?truthbetold wrote:
cd
read my post carefully. i said "right thinking person". people followed pol pot of.Cambodia and Hitler of Germany. that proves nothing. if anything that says they are some gullible who can be manipulated by extreme philosophies to cause immense harm to humanity.
any person who beliefs in a religion is gullible. any person who thinks changing his religion brings him closer to god.or other similar logic is not the sharpest brain around.
religion is a man made tool. It is closely intertwined with the culture of the group. Islamic culture is a reflection of static middle eastern societies. extreme elements came to dominate it and cause damage to rest of the human civilization. it doesn't mean all followers of islam are extremists . it is just that at this point in history we observed 40 to.50 years of domination of extremist element with medieval obscurantist philosophy. it causes physical and economic damage to.rest of the world.
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confuzzled dude wrote:http://www.deccanchronicle.com/131210/lifestyle-travel/gallery/mosques-open-non-muslims
Hmm.. aren't all Mosques & Dargahs open to everyone unlike Hindu temples.
....And Allah alone gives success.
Allah has spoken and you better go for a refresher training under Maulana Rashmunullah and Maulana Gaywala.
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It means you are allowed to enter the mosque as long as you don't engage in activities like distributing Hindutva flyers in there.Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:http://www.deccanchronicle.com/131210/lifestyle-travel/gallery/mosques-open-non-muslims
Hmm.. aren't all Mosques & Dargahs open to everyone unlike Hindu temples.
....And Allah alone gives success.
Allah has spoken and you better go for a refresher training under Maulana Rashmunullah and Maulana Gaywala.
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confuzzled dude wrote:It means you are allowed to enter the mosque as long as you don't engage in activities like distributing Hindutva flyers in there.Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:http://www.deccanchronicle.com/131210/lifestyle-travel/gallery/mosques-open-non-muslims
Hmm.. aren't all Mosques & Dargahs open to everyone unlike Hindu temples.
....And Allah alone gives success.
Allah has spoken and you better go for a refresher training under Maulana Rashmunullah and Maulana Gaywala.
Correct! Only flyers to blow up the Great Satan can be distributed at mosques.
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Does this logic apply to those wingnuts happen to be Christians that go around shooting people randomly in schools & malls in America. Pray tell me, how many bomb attacks occurred in America in last decade and how many were killed due to those, in comparison to the folks killed by the guns. By your logic, extreme elements have been dominating Christianity in the USA and causing damage to the civilization more than any other religion.truthbetold wrote:cdconfuzzled dude wrote:What's the definition of this "right thinking" trait? I hope you don't mean RIGHT thinking as in conservative thinking Do you think Yousuf Youhana & AR Rahaman are both gullible and radical?truthbetold wrote:
cd
read my post carefully. i said "right thinking person". people followed pol pot of.Cambodia and Hitler of Germany. that proves nothing. if anything that says they are some gullible who can be manipulated by extreme philosophies to cause immense harm to humanity.
any person who beliefs in a religion is gullible. any person who thinks changing his religion brings him closer to god.or other similar logic is not the sharpest brain around.
religion is a man made tool. It is closely intertwined with the culture of the group. Islamic culture is a reflection of static middle eastern societies. extreme elements came to dominate it and cause damage to rest of the human civilization. it doesn't mean all followers of islam are extremists . it is just that at this point in history we observed 40 to.50 years of domination of extremist element with medieval obscurantist philosophy. it causes physical and economic damage to.rest of the world.
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confuzzled dude wrote:Does this logic apply to those wingnuts happen to be Christians that go around shooting people randomly in schools & malls in America. Pray tell me, how many bomb attacks occurred in America in last decade and how many were killed due to those, in comparison to the folks killed by the guns. By your logic, extreme elements have been dominating Christianity in the USA and causing damage to the civilization more than any other religion.truthbetold wrote:cdconfuzzled dude wrote:What's the definition of this "right thinking" trait? I hope you don't mean RIGHT thinking as in conservative thinking Do you think Yousuf Youhana & AR Rahaman are both gullible and radical?truthbetold wrote:
cd
read my post carefully. i said "right thinking person". people followed pol pot of.Cambodia and Hitler of Germany. that proves nothing. if anything that says they are some gullible who can be manipulated by extreme philosophies to cause immense harm to humanity.
any person who beliefs in a religion is gullible. any person who thinks changing his religion brings him closer to god.or other similar logic is not the sharpest brain around.
religion is a man made tool. It is closely intertwined with the culture of the group. Islamic culture is a reflection of static middle eastern societies. extreme elements came to dominate it and cause damage to rest of the human civilization. it doesn't mean all followers of islam are extremists . it is just that at this point in history we observed 40 to.50 years of domination of extremist element with medieval obscurantist philosophy. it causes physical and economic damage to.rest of the world.
The single largest massacre in the United States happened on 9/11/2001 and it was carried out by Islamic extremists.
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