ashdoc wrote:Question is---will the slumbering hindu masses awaken to the fact that the country is slowly slipping out of their control , or will they continue to indulge in caste politics till one day the ground has slipped beneath their feet ?? 


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Census-2011s-religion-data-to-be-made-public-next-week/articleshow/45960870.cms


One wonders what would have happened if UPA had won another election ?? Permanent blocking of religion based data release ??

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/upa-sat-on-it-nda-plans-to-release-religious-data-of-census-2011/

Incidentally, the data was collated and compiled by the census authorities by early 2014, but reportedly held back by UPA government in the wake of upcoming general election. It is believed that the data points to significant growth in Muslim population in districts along the eastern and even Indo-Nepal border, which forced the UPA to postpone its publication.

In the normal course, religion data is released within three years of enumeration. For the 2001 census, the figures were out in 2004. Even this time, the data was reportedly compiled by March 2014. Incidentally, while the UPA sat on it until being voted out in the April-May 2014 general election, the BJP government too was preoccupied with other priorities in the last few months.

Hellsangel wrote:Why postpone it? What advantage would it have given them?

Incidentally, the data was collated and compiled by the census authorities by early 2014, but reportedly held back by UPA government in the wake of upcoming general election. It is believed that the data points to significant growth in Muslim population in districts along the eastern and even Indo-Nepal border, which forced the UPA to postpone its publication.

In the normal course, religion data is released within three years of enumeration. For the 2001 census, the figures were out in 2004. Even this time, the data was reportedly compiled by March 2014. Incidentally, while the UPA sat on it until being voted out in the April-May 2014 general election, the BJP government too was preoccupied with other priorities in the last few months.

truthbetold wrote:Cd
What is the leap forward? Religious data was published by census in the past. Upa illegally  suppressed the data political reasons. Present govt is just getting back to normal process. Why is that a problem? You got to have your head examined.

smArtha wrote:24% rise in the Muslim population between 2001 and 2011, with the community's share of total population rising from 13.4% to 14.2% over the 10-year period.

While the growth rate of the Muslim population has slowed from around 29% between 1991 and 2001, it is still higher than the national average of 18% for the decade

Assam and West Bengal at the forefront of such growth. 

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Muslim-population-grows-24-slower-than-previous-decade/articleshow/45972687.cms

truthbetold wrote:Cd 
I did not understand the question. I am merely pointing that nda govt restored normal govt procedure . Suppression of census data is illegal and leads to mistrust in govt. your reaction to nda action is purely political.

Will nda govt use that data for a political purpose? Your guess is as good as mine. But publishing census data is not subject to censorship.

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:Cd 
I did not understand the question. I am merely pointing that nda govt restored normal govt procedure . Suppression of census data is illegal and leads to mistrust in govt. your reaction to nda action is purely political.

Will nda govt use that data for a political purpose? Your guess is as good as mine. But publishing census data is not subject to censorship.

This move proves that India has been freed from the iron fists of previous authoritarian regime, that in itself is equivalent taking country forward by a couple of decades, don't you think so? I think the current administrator has overachieved already, accomplished more in 8 months than all the previous administrations accomplishments in previous 67 years.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Btw why did the TOI spin the news in a different direction ... "24 slower than previous decade" instead of the more relevant "24 higher than the national 18"?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Btw why did the TOI spin the news in a different direction ... "24 slower than previous decade" instead of the more relevant "24 higher than the national 18"?

Spin? It is more of apples to apples comparison. BTW, the key stat that is missing is the child mortality rate, which is nearly 20% less for Muslim children under 5 compared to their Hindu counterparts. If you take that into account the gap will narrow further.

smArtha wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Btw why did the TOI spin the news in a different direction ... "24 slower than previous decade" instead of the more relevant "24 higher than the national 18"?

Spin? It is more of apples to apples comparison. BTW, the key stat that is missing is the child mortality rate, which is nearly 20% less for Muslim children under 5 compared to their Hindu counterparts. If you take that into account the gap will narrow further.

So Child mortality rate is now along religious lines and the supposedly backward, less educated and hence oppressed minority sections somehow mastered the art and science of protecting their infants/toddlers. And not just that those of this group particularly in Assam and Bengal have done a superior job over other states. And this is the most straight forward and logical conclusion over the potential increase due to illegal migration from Bangladesh.

I'm tempted to ask.. how can you be consistently so 'distinct and original'? Were you made this way or groomed to this?

confuzzled dude wrote:

smArtha wrote:


So Child mortality rate is now along religious lines and the supposedly backward, less educated and hence oppressed minority sections somehow mastered the art and science of protecting their infants/toddlers. And not just that those of this group particularly in Assam and Bengal have done a superior job over other states. And this is the most straight forward and logical conclusion over the potential increase due to illegal migration from Bangladesh.

I'm tempted to ask.. how can you be consistently so 'distinct and original'? Were you made this way or groomed to this?

I would do some research before jumping to conclusions and calling others names. This also busts over-breeding-muslims myth propagated by chaddies.

By age five, the Muslim survival advantage over Hindus is as high as 2.31%- points, which is about 17% of baseline mortality risk amongst Hindus. Restricting the comparison to upper-caste Hindus, who enjoy unambiguously higher social status than Muslims, the differential is 1.30%-points, or about 10% of baseline mortality risk. Based on the total number of births recorded in 2000 (Census of India 2001), and on the proportions of high- and low-caste children born that year (obtained from representative survey data used in this paper), this differential translates into an annual 127,955 (244,535) excess under-5 deaths amongst high-caste (low-caste) Hindus. To put the size of this differential in perspective, consider that the more widely discussed gender differential in under-5 mortality is 0.30%-points. Also, the average annual rate of decrease in under-5 mortality risk between 1960 and 2001 in India was 0.61%-points p.a., which is about half the differential be tween Muslims and high-caste Hindus. The Muslim-Hindu survival differential is not a new or an isolated phenomenon. It is evident for most of the last half century.

smArtha wrote:

I'm tempted to ask.. how can you be consistently so 'distinct and original'? Were you made this way or groomed to this?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Btw why did the TOI spin the news in a different direction ... "24 slower than previous decade" instead of the more relevant "24 higher than the national 18"?

Spin? It is more of apples to apples comparison. BTW, the key stat that is missing is the child mortality rate, which is nearly 20% less for Muslim children under 5 compared to their Hindu counterparts. If you take that into account the gap will narrow further.

confuzzled dude wrote:

By age five, the Muslim survival advantage over Hindus is as high as 2.31%- points, which is about 17% of baseline mortality risk amongst Hindus. Restricting the comparison to upper-caste Hindus, who enjoy unambiguously higher social status than Muslims, the differential is 1.30%-points, or about 10% of baseline mortality risk. Based on the total number of births recorded in 2000 (Census of India 2001), and on the proportions of high- and low-caste children born that year (obtained from representative survey data used in this paper), this differential translates into an annual 127,955 (244,535) excess under-5 deaths amongst high-caste (low-caste) Hindus. To put the size of this differential in perspective, consider that the more widely discussed gender differential in under-5 mortality is 0.30%-points. Also, the average annual rate of decrease in under-5 mortality risk between 1960 and 2001 in India was 0.61%-points p.a., which is about half the differential be tween Muslims and high-caste Hindus. The Muslim-Hindu survival differential is not a new or an isolated phenomenon. It is evident for most of the last half century.

http://ftp.iza.org/dp4009.pdf

smArtha wrote:
So when the religious census numbers come out the above hypotheses should translate to 
- All of the differential increase in Muslim population from 2001 to 2011 should be in the <10 year old ones (birth and low infant mortality)
- And this should be more true about Assam and West Bengal (because illegal immigration is not at all an issue)

If you can validate with those numbers on the religious census then we can take the above hypotheses to be true.

SomeProfile wrote:This is not so original. You can see abundance of this phenomenon when you talk to Pakis.