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Pakistan is the only Muslim nuclear state – so why is Israel's hysteria reserved for Iran?

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Post by confuzzled dude Thu May 21, 2015 3:51 pm

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry caused a stir recently, when he said in an interview with Israel’s Channel 10 that Israeli critics of the emerging deal with Iran were guilty of “a lot of hysteria.” He has a point. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said the Lausanne deal would “endanger Israel – big time” and  “make the world a much more dangerous place.”  

Yet in March, Pakistan test-fired a nuclear-capable ballistic missile, the Shaheen III, which Pakistani officials said can reach Israel. This event was barely noticed in Jerusalem.

In view of the disturbing nuclear developments in Pakistan as well as in North Korea and Russia, the hysteria expressed by prominent Israeli politicians and journalists over the recent draft agreement with Iran is unwarranted. The threat posed to India, South Korea, Poland and the Baltic states from their nuclear-armed neighbors is arguably at least as great as that which Israel is facing from Iran.  

Regular warnings are sounded in Israel about the dangers facing the world from nuclear terrorism once Iran obtains a nuclear weapon, but is this not a case of locking the stable door after the horse has bolted? The threat of nuclear terrorism has existed since the collapse of the Soviet Union and has grown significantly as Pakistan has cemented its status as a nuclear weapons state.

Indeed, one could argue that Islamabad poses more of a threat to Israel than Tehran does. After all, we cannot be certain that Iran will take the next step and acquire a nuclear weapon, but Pakistan already possesses over 100 nuclear warheads.

It is understandable why this is rarely discussed in Israel: Though Pakistan is the first Muslim state with a nuclear weapons program, it does not call for Israel’s destruction or sponsor terror attacks against Israel. A nuclear Iran, by contrast, would receive cover to step up its hegemonic ambitions in the region and intensify its support for terrorism against the Jewish state.

In addition, Pakistan has taken measures in recent years to strengthen oversight for its nuclear facilities and has dismantled proliferation networks. And even if Pakistan were to disintegrate tomorrow, it would be India, not Israel, that would be first in line to face Islamabad’s nuclear warheads, whereas Israel would certainly believe itself to be the first potential target of a nuclear Iran.

But despite Islamabad’s obsession with India, Pakistani officials have also spoken on occasion about the need to deter Israel. And were Pakistan to disintegrate, it could pose an imminent threat not only to India but also to the Middle East, including Israel.

During his first term in office, U.S. President Barack Obama reportedly told his staff that the possible breakup of Pakistan and the subsequent danger of a scramble for nuclear weapons was his greatest national security concern. Indeed, terrorists have tried on several occasions to assassinate the former president of Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf. In such circumstances, Pakistan’s nuclear weapons could be stolen or smuggled out of the country, with the possibility of rogue elements targeting Israel.

U.S. intelligence officials have long warned of the danger of jihadists infiltrating Pakistan’s laboratories. In the past, senior scientists working on Pakistan’s nuclear program have shared expertise with terrorist organizations such as Al-Qaida. Abdul Qadeer Khan, widely viewed as the father of Islamabad’s nuclear program, developed a multinational network during the 1980s and 1990s for the packaging and sale of nuclear technology and know-how to Iran, as well as to Libya and North Korea.

And then there is the close relationship between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Islamabad has reportedly shared its nuclear secrets with Riyadh, but prominent intelligence experts think Pakistan is unlikely to transfer nuclear weapons to the Saudis (though the probability could increase significantly if Iran goes nuclear).

While Israel's attention has focused on Iran, let's not forget North Korea, which claimed this month to have test-fired a ballistic missile from a submarine. According to some Chinese experts, North Korea may already have up to 20 nuclear warheads. In view of the paranoid and unpredictable nature of the regime in Pyongyang, this is a source of profound concern for South Korea and Japan, and it should worry us all.

And then there is Russian President Vladimir Putin’s increasingly dangerous emphasis on nuclear weapons as a guarantor of Moscow’s international prestige, at a time of greater Russian assertiveness in Europe. Britain’s defense secretary, Michael Fallon, voiced concern in February that Russia may have lowered the threshold for its use of nuclear weapons, and NATO is believed to be reviving its Cold War emergency hotline with Moscow as the dangers of unintended escalation have increased. Poland and the Baltic States are understandably worried about their neighbor’s intentions in the wake of its actions in Ukraine.

Distinguished Israeli observers, among them former Mossad director Efraim Halevy and Yair Evron, an expert on nuclear proliferation, have argued that while the draft agreement drawn up in Lausanne with Iran is flawed, Tehran has been forced to agree to far-reaching restrictions on its nuclear program, including unprecedented international supervision and monitoring of its nuclear facilities. Many in India, East Asia and Eastern Europe may be looking on enviously and wishing that their nuclear-armed neighbors had been subject to similar restrictions
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.657319
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Post by Hellsangel Thu May 21, 2015 3:59 pm

You naively answered your own question by posting the article, Comrade. And bravo, you even subscribe to lefty publications in your favorite punching bag. 

Lots of coulds and mights in the article on what may or may not happen to Pakistan's nukes.


It is understandable why this is rarely discussed in Israel: Though Pakistan is the first Muslim state with a nuclear weapons program, it does not call for Israel’s destruction or sponsor terror attacks against Israel. A nuclear Iran, by contrast, would receive cover to step up its hegemonic ambitions in the region and intensify its support for terrorism against the Jewish state.

In addition, Pakistan has taken measures in recent years to strengthen oversight for its nuclear facilities and has dismantled proliferation networks. And even if Pakistan were to disintegrate tomorrow, it would be India, not Israel, that would be first in line to face Islamabad’s nuclear warheads, whereas Israel would certainly believe itself to be the first potential target of a nuclear Iran.


PS: Let us not forget your friends in the Hezbollah backed by your friends in Iran.
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Post by confuzzled dude Thu May 21, 2015 4:07 pm

Hellsangel wrote:You naively answered your own question by posting the article, Comrade. And bravo, you even subscribe to lefty publications in your favorite punching bag. 

Lots of coulds and mights in the article on what may or may not happen to Pakistan's nukes.


It is understandable why this is rarely discussed in Israel: Though Pakistan is the first Muslim state with a nuclear weapons program, it does not call for Israel’s destruction or sponsor terror attacks against Israel. A nuclear Iran, by contrast, would receive cover to step up its hegemonic ambitions in the region and intensify its support for terrorism against the Jewish state.

In addition, Pakistan has taken measures in recent years to strengthen oversight for its nuclear facilities and has dismantled proliferation networks. And even if Pakistan were to disintegrate tomorrow, it would be India, not Israel, that would be first in line to face Islamabad’s nuclear warheads, whereas Israel would certainly believe itself to be the first potential target of a nuclear Iran.
Unlike Israel, India hasn't been peeing in her/its pants.

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Post by Hellsangel Thu May 21, 2015 4:12 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:You naively answered your own question by posting the article, Comrade. And bravo, you even subscribe to lefty publications in your favorite punching bag. 

Lots of coulds and mights in the article on what may or may not happen to Pakistan's nukes.


It is understandable why this is rarely discussed in Israel: Though Pakistan is the first Muslim state with a nuclear weapons program, it does not call for Israel’s destruction or sponsor terror attacks against Israel. A nuclear Iran, by contrast, would receive cover to step up its hegemonic ambitions in the region and intensify its support for terrorism against the Jewish state.

In addition, Pakistan has taken measures in recent years to strengthen oversight for its nuclear facilities and has dismantled proliferation networks. And even if Pakistan were to disintegrate tomorrow, it would be India, not Israel, that would be first in line to face Islamabad’s nuclear warheads, whereas Israel would certainly believe itself to be the first potential target of a nuclear Iran.
Unlike Israel, India hasn't been peeing in her/its pants.
Unlike the case with India, the ISAF went ahead and blew up nuclear installations in Iran.

Unlike the case with India, the Mossad has been held responsible for the mysterious death of Iranian nuclear scientists. 

Unlike the case with India, the US Congress actually took the initiative to monitor the nuclear deal with Iran that Obama is so desperate to make his legacy.
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Post by confuzzled dude Thu May 21, 2015 4:17 pm

Diplomacy is transactional. Successful diplomacy means striking the right balance between give and get. However belatedly, the Obama administration recognizes that when it comes to Israel and Saudi Arabia, the United States has done too much giving and too little getting while paying too high a price. Obama aims to fix that.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-bacevich-middle-east-saudis-israel-20150513-story.html

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Post by confuzzled dude Thu May 21, 2015 4:23 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:You naively answered your own question by posting the article, Comrade. And bravo, you even subscribe to lefty publications in your favorite punching bag. 

Lots of coulds and mights in the article on what may or may not happen to Pakistan's nukes.


It is understandable why this is rarely discussed in Israel: Though Pakistan is the first Muslim state with a nuclear weapons program, it does not call for Israel’s destruction or sponsor terror attacks against Israel. A nuclear Iran, by contrast, would receive cover to step up its hegemonic ambitions in the region and intensify its support for terrorism against the Jewish state.

In addition, Pakistan has taken measures in recent years to strengthen oversight for its nuclear facilities and has dismantled proliferation networks. And even if Pakistan were to disintegrate tomorrow, it would be India, not Israel, that would be first in line to face Islamabad’s nuclear warheads, whereas Israel would certainly believe itself to be the first potential target of a nuclear Iran.
Unlike Israel, India hasn't been peeing in her/its pants.
Unlike the case with India, the ISAF went ahead and blew up nuclear installations in Iran.

Unlike the case with India, the Mossad has been held responsible for the mysterious death of Iranian nuclear scientists. 

Unlike the case with India, the US Congress actually took the initiative to monitor the nuclear deal with Iran that Obama is so desperate to make his legacy.
What did all those hysterical moves achieve? zilch.

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Post by Hellsangel Thu May 21, 2015 4:25 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:You naively answered your own question by posting the article, Comrade. And bravo, you even subscribe to lefty publications in your favorite punching bag. 

Lots of coulds and mights in the article on what may or may not happen to Pakistan's nukes.


It is understandable why this is rarely discussed in Israel: Though Pakistan is the first Muslim state with a nuclear weapons program, it does not call for Israel’s destruction or sponsor terror attacks against Israel. A nuclear Iran, by contrast, would receive cover to step up its hegemonic ambitions in the region and intensify its support for terrorism against the Jewish state.

In addition, Pakistan has taken measures in recent years to strengthen oversight for its nuclear facilities and has dismantled proliferation networks. And even if Pakistan were to disintegrate tomorrow, it would be India, not Israel, that would be first in line to face Islamabad’s nuclear warheads, whereas Israel would certainly believe itself to be the first potential target of a nuclear Iran.
Unlike Israel, India hasn't been peeing in her/its pants.
Unlike the case with India, the ISAF went ahead and blew up nuclear installations in Iran.

Unlike the case with India, the Mossad has been held responsible for the mysterious death of Iranian nuclear scientists. 

Unlike the case with India, the US Congress actually took the initiative to monitor the nuclear deal with Iran that Obama is so desperate to make his legacy.
What did all those hysterical moves achieve? zilch.
That's your wishful thinking, Comrade.
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Post by ashdoc Thu May 21, 2015 4:55 pm

back in the 80s israel had offered indira gandhi the option to let india use its territory to base israeli f 16 fighters that would destroy pak's nuclear weapons manufacturing capabilities by surgical strikes . but indira gandhi refuse to give bases to those fighters . 

the f 16 or any israeli fighter does not have the range ( actually called combat radius ) to attack pakistan directly from israeli soil .

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Post by Hellsangel Thu May 21, 2015 8:04 pm

Indira Gandhi kowtowed well to the Soviets.

An interesting documentary:

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Post by Hellsangel Thu May 21, 2015 8:36 pm

Another viewpoint that talks about how Indira Gandhi used the Soviets:

http://www.csmonitor.com/1983/1129/112929.html
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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu May 21, 2015 11:20 pm



it is only a matter of time before this barbaric ISIS islamists get hold of nuke - through Saudi, Paki military, taleban or north korea - and play havoc with the security of the region and Israel, and to US and India.

Iraq cannot stand and even Bashar caanot stand up to ISIS now.

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