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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:16 pm

Most children in Hyderabad, India, are expected to follow a STEM career path. But a startup called LearnEd encourages them to explore all their options.

“A large number of middle- and high-income families in Hyderabad come from the agricultural belt and are first-generation earners,” Gupta explains. “They witnessed the success of the city’s engineers in India and abroad, especially the U.S., and so they continue to push their children towards it.” Young people are steered toward both “core” engineering (civil, mechanical, and electrical) and computer engineering.

As of October 2013, there were 6,214 engineering and technical institutes in India, with 2.9 million students enrolled. The region around Hyderabad has the highest concentration of these institutes, thanks in part to Naidu, who pushed to make Hyderabad a rival to Bangalore, India’s Silicon Valley. The quality of teaching at the institutes is uneven, and graduates who don’t speak good English or have the right skills are at a major hiring disadvantage.

A nationwide study points to worrisome results. While 97 percent of engineering graduates seek jobs in the field, only 3 percent of them are estimated to be employable in software roles, with another 7 percent in core engineering roles.
Alva says career counseling in Hyderabad has become almost obsolete, as it “simply directs students towards a stream of engineering, based on job opportunities, or to a technical university in the United States.” This is especially true for young men. “Seldom are tenth graders encouraged to study arts or commerce,” adds Alva, who is an engineering graduate himself.
http://www.citylab.com/work/2015/10/growing-up-in-city-where-everyone-goes-into-engineering/409198/

If only 3% are deemed employable it is an issue with the education system not the students. Wonder what percentage of college graduates in the US are employable.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:28 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Most children in Hyderabad, India, are expected to follow a STEM career path. But a startup called LearnEd encourages them to explore all their options.

“A large number of middle- and high-income families in Hyderabad come from the agricultural belt and are first-generation earners,” Gupta explains. “They witnessed the success of the city’s engineers in India and abroad, especially the U.S., and so they continue to push their children towards it.” Young people are steered toward both “core” engineering (civil, mechanical, and electrical) and computer engineering.

As of October 2013, there were 6,214 engineering and technical institutes in India, with 2.9 million students enrolled. The region around Hyderabad has the highest concentration of these institutes, thanks in part to Naidu, who pushed to make Hyderabad a rival to Bangalore, India’s Silicon Valley. The quality of teaching at the institutes is uneven, and graduates who don’t speak good English or have the right skills are at a major hiring disadvantage.

A nationwide study points to worrisome results. While 97 percent of engineering graduates seek jobs in the field, only 3 percent of them are estimated to be employable in software roles, with another 7 percent in core engineering roles.
Alva says career counseling in Hyderabad has become almost obsolete, as it “simply directs students towards a stream of engineering, based on job opportunities, or to a technical university in the United States.” This is especially true for young men. “Seldom are tenth graders encouraged to study arts or commerce,” adds Alva, who is an engineering graduate himself.
http://www.citylab.com/work/2015/10/growing-up-in-city-where-everyone-goes-into-engineering/409198/

If only 3% are deemed employable it is an issue with the education system not the students. Wonder what percentage of college graduates in the US are employable.

If the graduates get jobs in engineering or something they like then they are employable. While in the US almost all engineers get jobs, same is not true in India. the bottom half of India's graduates can't write 2 sentences correctly (theirs is worse than mine) nor can they speak 5 sentences on a given topic when asked.

Tis is not just engineering but also all fields. I came across a Dentist from India who is trying to get into residency. Luckily she got invited to a very good residency program. She wanted to know "what documents she she should take with her, what questions they will ask, how long will the questioning be, what kind of subjects she should study for the interview..She wanted to make sure she gets the residency as there were 200 interviewees for 15 positions. I have seen such questions ROUTINELY from Indian graduates of any field.

...How did these people get a "professional education" with absolutely no knowledge/information outside of their books.

I thought ...arre Allah..

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:56 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Most children in Hyderabad, India, are expected to follow a STEM career path. But a startup called LearnEd encourages them to explore all their options.

“A large number of middle- and high-income families in Hyderabad come from the agricultural belt and are first-generation earners,” Gupta explains. “They witnessed the success of the city’s engineers in India and abroad, especially the U.S., and so they continue to push their children towards it.” Young people are steered toward both “core” engineering (civil, mechanical, and electrical) and computer engineering.

As of October 2013, there were 6,214 engineering and technical institutes in India, with 2.9 million students enrolled. The region around Hyderabad has the highest concentration of these institutes, thanks in part to Naidu, who pushed to make Hyderabad a rival to Bangalore, India’s Silicon Valley. The quality of teaching at the institutes is uneven, and graduates who don’t speak good English or have the right skills are at a major hiring disadvantage.

A nationwide study points to worrisome results. While 97 percent of engineering graduates seek jobs in the field, only 3 percent of them are estimated to be employable in software roles, with another 7 percent in core engineering roles.
Alva says career counseling in Hyderabad has become almost obsolete, as it “simply directs students towards a stream of engineering, based on job opportunities, or to a technical university in the United States.” This is especially true for young men. “Seldom are tenth graders encouraged to study arts or commerce,” adds Alva, who is an engineering graduate himself.
http://www.citylab.com/work/2015/10/growing-up-in-city-where-everyone-goes-into-engineering/409198/

If only 3% are deemed employable it is an issue with the education system not the students. Wonder what percentage of college graduates in the US are employable.

If the graduates get jobs in engineering or something they like then they are employable. While in the US almost all engineers get jobs, same is not true in India. the bottom half of India's graduates can't write 2 sentences correctly (theirs is worse than mine) nor can they speak 5 sentences on a given topic when asked.

Tis is not just engineering but also all fields.  I came across a Dentist from India who is trying to get into residency. Luckily she got invited to a very good residency program. She wanted to know "what documents she she should take with her, what questions they will ask, how long will the questioning be, what kind of subjects she should study for the interview..She wanted to make sure she gets the residency as there were 200 interviewees for 15 positions.  I have seen such questions ROUTINELY from Indian graduates of any field.

...How did these people get a "professional education" with absolutely no knowledge/information outside of their books.

It's seems like a universal problem. Look at a Swami whose website claims him having attended the IIT KGP and received a B.Tech or M.Tech (?) shows him in the following (in italics) to have mastered many Hindu scriptures and the "four" Vedas, even though in reality there are only three genuine Vedas according to the Bhagavad Gita and other scriptures and great Acharyas (Adi Sankara et al.),


"Guruji possesses exceptional knowledge of 27 different kinds of theories of Astrology,Vedic Scriptures and Epics : In-depth knowledge of Vedas, Ramayana, Gita, Upanishad, Puran, Aagam, and various Hindu and Jain Scriptures. He can recite four vedas by memory."  (http://www.desi.com.au/mag-corner/brahamrishi-swami-guruvanand-ji-visits-australia/)
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