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What did she expect?
Jodie Fisher posed for Playboy when she was a student at Texas Tech.
She was later hired by Hewelett Packard to be a hostess. Her job was to accompany Mark Hurd the then CEO of HP to events all around the world.
She is now suing Mark Hurd for sexually harassing her. Her lawer Gloria Allred in a letter to Mark accuses him of treating Jodie as a sex object.
My question is this: why do you expect a man to treat you anything other than a sex object when you had posed naked for Playboy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/30/mark-hurd-sexual-harassment-letter_n_1176144.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/30/business/note-that-led-to-downfall-of-hewlett-chief-surfaces.html?_r=1
She was later hired by Hewelett Packard to be a hostess. Her job was to accompany Mark Hurd the then CEO of HP to events all around the world.
She is now suing Mark Hurd for sexually harassing her. Her lawer Gloria Allred in a letter to Mark accuses him of treating Jodie as a sex object.
My question is this: why do you expect a man to treat you anything other than a sex object when you had posed naked for Playboy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/30/mark-hurd-sexual-harassment-letter_n_1176144.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/30/business/note-that-led-to-downfall-of-hewlett-chief-surfaces.html?_r=1
MulaiAzhagi- Posts : 1254
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CEO having a hostess???
for what ? open the door? pack the bags ? why not hire a matron or a 60 yr wal-mart oldie?
Of course both parties "knew" what the position involved... Suddenly the girl is all playing holy?
for what ? open the door? pack the bags ? why not hire a matron or a 60 yr wal-mart oldie?
Of course both parties "knew" what the position involved... Suddenly the girl is all playing holy?
Marathadi-Saamiyaar- Posts : 17675
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So if a woman poses for playboy, does it automatically give license to men to sexaully harass her? Ridiculous!
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kinnera wrote:So if a woman poses for playboy, does it automatically give license to men to sexaully harass her? Ridiculous!
If only women are clearcut with a yes or no, instead of expecting men to "understand" a woman's feelings, men's behavior will never be construed as harassment.
Take for ex our own Pottyman: what he says is construed as harassment by some women while some other women consider that cute and giggly... with such confused mindset exhibited by gthe female species what do you expect men to do.
Marathadi-Saamiyaar- Posts : 17675
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Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:kinnera wrote:So if a woman poses for playboy, does it automatically give license to men to sexaully harass her? Ridiculous!
If only women are clearcut with a yes or no, instead of expecting men to "understand" a woman's feelings, men's behavior will never be construed as harassment.
Take for ex our own Pottyman: what he says is construed as harassment by some women while some other women consider that cute and giggly... with such confused mindset exhibited by gthe female species what do you expect men to do.
On the pretext of showing her some documents for China’s vice premier, the letter says, Mr. Hurd invited Ms. Fisher to his room at the Ritz-Carlton, where Mr. Hurd propositioned her.
“Ms. Fisher was horrified,” the letter says, and after an hour of refusals, she eventually left. “You told her that no one had ever rejected you before and were clearly miffed.” After describing several such encounters in detail, the letter says that Ms. Fisher’s employment with H.P. ended.
The woman seems to have said a clear no. We don't know the whole story. Anyway, that doesn't have anything to do with u guys going, 'well..she's was a playboy model. what does she expect'. That was my contention.
btw, she was hired as an 'event hostess' for HP.
wrt, bittu, ya..we have some women who have mood swings with bittu over here. They gotta decide clearly whether he's a harasser or an entertainer and act accordingly.
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this dork couldnt get a younger, more pliable model to harass? making 30+ mil a year and going after this dried out prune of an exhooker. he deserves to be kicked out for bad judgement. his new boss ellison coulda given him pointers on that. jackpot payday for this fading old 'beauty'.
Propagandhi711- Posts : 6941
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mulaiazhagi,
a very askanced look at a woman ..from you
Jodie coud be posing nude for any and every magazine for all we know that gives nobody a license to harass her sexually .
what did she expect ? a decent employer for sure
a very askanced look at a woman ..from you
Jodie coud be posing nude for any and every magazine for all we know that gives nobody a license to harass her sexually .
what did she expect ? a decent employer for sure
chameli- Posts : 1073
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propa,
if it were upto you you woukd go for a 15 year old virigin but that would be against the law and you would be deep shit in trouble
what is it about you and your upbringing that insults mature women time and time again ?
if it were upto you you woukd go for a 15 year old virigin but that would be against the law and you would be deep shit in trouble
what is it about you and your upbringing that insults mature women time and time again ?
chameli- Posts : 1073
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Re: What did she expect?
Chameli,
A woman who strips, spreads her legs apart and poses for a magazine for money really knows what she is doing. What exactly was she thinking? She perfectly knew that a lot of men would be looking at her picture with lustful eyes and some in fact may post her picture on their bathroom walls and do unspeakable things.
And now she is behaving as if she had been a nun so far. If she wanted to be treated with respect then she should have carried herself exuding self -respect.
Women with even an iota of self-respect will never do what she did.
A woman who strips, spreads her legs apart and poses for a magazine for money really knows what she is doing. What exactly was she thinking? She perfectly knew that a lot of men would be looking at her picture with lustful eyes and some in fact may post her picture on their bathroom walls and do unspeakable things.
And now she is behaving as if she had been a nun so far. If she wanted to be treated with respect then she should have carried herself exuding self -respect.
Women with even an iota of self-respect will never do what she did.
MulaiAzhagi- Posts : 1254
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mulai
its play boy magazine some decent girls have appeared on its center spread including famed feminist gloria steinem
its not as if it is Hustler .
the same goes for girls who dress loosely or go to bars late at night .
they are liable to be harassed according to you they should be raped .
Even if a pretty sexy girl is covered head to toe men will lust after her
take my word for it
its play boy magazine some decent girls have appeared on its center spread including famed feminist gloria steinem
its not as if it is Hustler .
the same goes for girls who dress loosely or go to bars late at night .
they are liable to be harassed according to you they should be raped .
Even if a pretty sexy girl is covered head to toe men will lust after her
take my word for it
chameli- Posts : 1073
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Propagandhi711 wrote:this dork couldnt get a younger, more pliable model to harass? making 30+ mil a year and going after this dried out prune of an exhooker. he deserves to be kicked out for bad judgement. his new boss ellison coulda given him pointers on that. jackpot payday for this fading old 'beauty'.
Totally agree with you...a 52-yr old croc lady is all he can get and turned down?
No wonder HP is such deep shyt with such idiots.
Marathadi-Saamiyaar- Posts : 17675
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Nonsense. If a woman has posed naked in Playboy, that doesn't give creepy unkils like Hurd the right to sexually harass her.MulaiAzhagi wrote:A woman who strips, spreads her legs apart and poses for a magazine for money really knows what she is doing. What exactly was she thinking? She perfectly knew that a lot of men would be looking at her picture with lustful eyes and some in fact may post her picture on their bathroom walls and do unspeakable things.
Thankfully, the law on sexual harassment at the workplace wasn't written by you. The law as it stands does not say, "you can harass a woman if she is not a nun" or "you can harass a woman if she didn't carry herself exuding self-respect."MulaiAzhagi wrote:And now she is behaving as if she had been a nun so far. If she wanted to be treated with respect then she should have carried herself exuding self -respect.
And men with an iota of self-respect will never do what Hurd did... trying to abuse his position as CEO to get an employee into bed. As it appears, in this case, it was the man who broke the law.MulaiAzhagi wrote:Women with even an iota of self-respect will never do what she did.
charvaka- Posts : 4347
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Re: What did she expect?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0167546/
===> Intimate obsession and body influence?
===> Intimate obsession and body influence?
MulaiAzhagi- Posts : 1254
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MulaiAzhagi wrote:http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0167546/
===> Intimate obsession and body influence?
The CEO guy shld've had some sense. He is the one to be blamed.
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i wonder if the total failure to grasp american notions of personal space, propriety in behavior with women, and more importanly sexual harassment laws in the workplace of the kind displayed by sara boji here is what leads some new indian immigrants to the US into trouble with the law. what's surprising is that sara boji is hardly a new immigrant.
MaxEntropy_Man- Posts : 14702
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Max,
1. I did not support anyone sexually harassing women in the workplace. I do not condone Max Hurd's behavior of groping her without her permission.
2. Max Hurd who "harassed" her is not an immigrant from India either.
3. My point is this woman by her past behavior has "signalled" that she would do anything for money. That is why the former CEO of HP took her to an ATM, printed out his checking account balance and showed it to impress her and then asked her to sleep with him.
4. If you behave like a slut, you will be treated like a slut.
5. She can sue him for all the money she wants and she may get it because of the man's unlawful behavior.
6. My original question stands: what did she expect? Did she expect him to treat her with great respect?
7. Talking about impropreity, do you think posing naked for hundreds of millions of men to see her uncovered vagina is an act of propreity? We are not talking about a woman visiting a male gynecologist for pre-natal check up here.
8. Anita Hill carried herself far more admirably than Jodie Fisher. That is why she had so many women in America sympathising with her when she told the world about how she was harassed her in the work place.
9. Forget about new Indian immigrants, why do you think so many American men get into trouble in the workplace with women?
1. I did not support anyone sexually harassing women in the workplace. I do not condone Max Hurd's behavior of groping her without her permission.
2. Max Hurd who "harassed" her is not an immigrant from India either.
3. My point is this woman by her past behavior has "signalled" that she would do anything for money. That is why the former CEO of HP took her to an ATM, printed out his checking account balance and showed it to impress her and then asked her to sleep with him.
4. If you behave like a slut, you will be treated like a slut.
5. She can sue him for all the money she wants and she may get it because of the man's unlawful behavior.
6. My original question stands: what did she expect? Did she expect him to treat her with great respect?
7. Talking about impropreity, do you think posing naked for hundreds of millions of men to see her uncovered vagina is an act of propreity? We are not talking about a woman visiting a male gynecologist for pre-natal check up here.
8. Anita Hill carried herself far more admirably than Jodie Fisher. That is why she had so many women in America sympathising with her when she told the world about how she was harassed her in the work place.
9. Forget about new Indian immigrants, why do you think so many American men get into trouble in the workplace with women?
MulaiAzhagi- Posts : 1254
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/cannes_do_jodie_films_raunchy_romp_IseayPVE8dcHD9vXv24OJN
===> Modern day Sita Devi AKA Jodie Fisher
===> Modern day Sita Devi AKA Jodie Fisher
MulaiAzhagi- Posts : 1254
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The laws against workplace harassment apply not just to Sita but to all employees regardless of what they do outside work.MulaiAzhagi wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/cannes_do_jodie_films_raunchy_romp_IseayPVE8dcHD9vXv24OJN
===> Modern day Sita Devi AKA Jodie Fisher
charvaka- Posts : 4347
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Re: What did she expect?
she just expected to know the bank balance so she knows what she should sue for.
artood2- Posts : 1321
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MulaiAzhagi wrote:Jodie Fisher posed for Playboy when she was a student at Texas Tech.
She was later hired by Hewelett Packard to be a hostess. Her job was to accompany Mark Hurd the then CEO of HP to events all around the world.
She is now suing Mark Hurd for sexually harassing her. Her lawer Gloria Allred in a letter to Mark accuses him of treating Jodie as a sex object.
My question is this: why do you expect a man to treat you anything other than a sex object when you had posed naked for Playboy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/30/mark-hurd-sexual-harassment-letter_n_1176144.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/30/business/note-that-led-to-downfall-of-hewlett-chief-surfaces.html?_r=1
>>>> I think you are missing the point here. If Hurd had met her in a bar and propositioned her, your question would have some validity. In this case, she was an HP employee and with that comes certain rights, be she Mother Theresa or an erstwhile Hollywood streetwalker. Hurd is an idiot.
Kris- Posts : 5460
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Kris wrote:MulaiAzhagi wrote:Jodie Fisher posed for Playboy when she was a student at Texas Tech.
She was later hired by Hewelett Packard to be a hostess. Her job was to accompany Mark Hurd the then CEO of HP to events all around the world.
She is now suing Mark Hurd for sexually harassing her. Her lawer Gloria Allred in a letter to Mark accuses him of treating Jodie as a sex object.
My question is this: why do you expect a man to treat you anything other than a sex object when you had posed naked for Playboy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/30/mark-hurd-sexual-harassment-letter_n_1176144.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/30/business/note-that-led-to-downfall-of-hewlett-chief-surfaces.html?_r=1
>>>> I think you are missing the point here. If Hurd had met her in a bar and propositioned her, your question would have some validity. In this case, she was an HP employee and with that comes certain rights, be she Mother Theresa or an erstwhile Hollywood streetwalker. Hurd is an idiot.
All said and done...Hurd is a turd. and also not a smart businessman... he should try to get the best for anything. And this is all he could get....?
Now, legally speaking, acting as Hurd's lawyer, although Ms. Foster worked at HP, did Mr. Hurd make the alleged repeated moves during the work hours ? in the HP building?
If YES to any of the above questions, then Ms. Foster was only a contract employee, and hence she should sue her own company for putting her in such an unfriendly work env OR, her company should sue HP for treating their employee unprofessionally.
I think Ms. Foster and my colleague Gloria are walking on thin ice.
(But, still will settle in the end for an undisclosed amount, and another playboy photoshoot for $500K)
Marathadi-Saamiyaar- Posts : 17675
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Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Kris wrote:MulaiAzhagi wrote:Jodie Fisher posed for Playboy when she was a student at Texas Tech.
She was later hired by Hewelett Packard to be a hostess. Her job was to accompany Mark Hurd the then CEO of HP to events all around the world.
She is now suing Mark Hurd for sexually harassing her. Her lawer Gloria Allred in a letter to Mark accuses him of treating Jodie as a sex object.
My question is this: why do you expect a man to treat you anything other than a sex object when you had posed naked for Playboy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/30/mark-hurd-sexual-harassment-letter_n_1176144.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/30/business/note-that-led-to-downfall-of-hewlett-chief-surfaces.html?_r=1
>>>> I think you are missing the point here. If Hurd had met her in a bar and propositioned her, your question would have some validity. In this case, she was an HP employee and with that comes certain rights, be she Mother Theresa or an erstwhile Hollywood streetwalker. Hurd is an idiot.
All said and done...Hurd is a turd. and also not a smart businessman... he should try to get the best for anything. And this is all he could get....?
Now, legally speaking, acting as Hurd's lawyer, although Ms. Foster worked at HP, did Mr. Hurd make the alleged repeated moves during the work hours ? in the HP building?
I think those questions do not matter. Even though she was a contract employee (not sure if she was employed by another firm), Hurd was her supervisor and had the power to influence her livelihood. The hours are irrelevant. She can always claim that she wasa called for official business. Hurd is an idiot and the gold mine found the gold digger.
artood2- Posts : 1321
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If YES to any of the above questions, then Ms. Foster was only a contract employee, and hence she should sue her own company for putting her in such an unfriendly work env OR, her company should sue HP for treating their employee unprofessionally.
>>>Even if it was a de facto supervisor- employee relationship, that is sufficient. She can sue her her firm and HP. Of course, if this was a contract situation, her company can also sue HP. HP gets the short end of the stick, no matter what. Can't believe how guys like Hurd can be entrusted with making management decisions.
>>>Even if it was a de facto supervisor- employee relationship, that is sufficient. She can sue her her firm and HP. Of course, if this was a contract situation, her company can also sue HP. HP gets the short end of the stick, no matter what. Can't believe how guys like Hurd can be entrusted with making management decisions.
Kris- Posts : 5460
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sara boji -- don't have the patience to answer your numbered posts. you appear thoroughly confused. the woman's choice to strip for playboy is irrelevant. you want to know what she expects. she expects what you expect -- not to be fondled by your boss.
MaxEntropy_Man- Posts : 14702
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Haha. Unless she does expect to be, with that name that no self respecting woman might take.MaxEntropy_Man wrote:she expects what you expect -- not to be fondled by your boss.
charvaka- Posts : 4347
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===> The irony is that even without groping that ex-playmate cum porn actress, the man would have gotten into trouble if he had just posted her naked playboy picture in his office.
She would have still sued him for sexual harassment and for creating a hostile working environment.
She would have still sued him for sexual harassment and for creating a hostile working environment.
MulaiAzhagi- Posts : 1254
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SB:
time to upgrade your news service - this is the new year 2012.
Do you have any stories on female boss harassing female co-worker or a male boss harassing male subordinate?
We need to venture into more legally difficult situations.
time to upgrade your news service - this is the new year 2012.
Do you have any stories on female boss harassing female co-worker or a male boss harassing male subordinate?
We need to venture into more legally difficult situations.
Marathadi-Saamiyaar- Posts : 17675
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