FluteHolder wrote:

FluteHolder wrote:Thanks for the wishes. Yes. He is Great. But I wonder there is not much (one would expect more) reference or talk about his greatness/songs esp by leading Vidhwans or spiritual discourses, probably he was against the restrictions/customs in Tambram household? ( I read somewhere that he will walk with his wife by putting his hand over her shoulder in street and others made fun of him/them?). Compare that scene to nowadays. Not sure how much it has changed in Chennai/Triplicane

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

FluteHolder wrote:Thanks for the wishes. Yes. He is Great. But I wonder there is not much (one would expect more) reference or talk about his greatness/songs esp by leading Vidhwans or spiritual discourses, probably he was against the restrictions/customs in Tambram household? ( I read somewhere that he will walk with his wife by putting his hand over her shoulder in street and others made fun of him/them?). Compare that scene to nowadays. Not sure how much it has changed in Chennai/Triplicane

Nothing seems to have changed. There is still the effort going on to keep out the Hindu female devotees in fertility age group (10-50 yrs.) from entering Sabarimala shrine to pray and worship Lord Ayyappa because doing that might hurt the sentiments of male priests and devotees (mostly SI).

Pentamma wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

FluteHolder wrote:Thanks for the wishes. Yes. He is Great. But I wonder there is not much (one would expect more) reference or talk about his greatness/songs esp by leading Vidhwans or spiritual discourses, probably he was against the restrictions/customs in Tambram household? ( I read somewhere that he will walk with his wife by putting his hand over her shoulder in street and others made fun of him/them?). Compare that scene to nowadays. Not sure how much it has changed in Chennai/Triplicane

Nothing seems to have changed. There is still the effort going on to keep out the Hindu female devotees in fertility age group (10-50 yrs.) from entering Sabarimala shrine to pray and worship Lord Ayyappa because doing that might hurt the sentiments of male priests and devotees (mostly SI).

Seva ji, don’t fall for the comminist/leftist propaganda. You north indians don’t understand the culture and traditions of south indians. Disrespecting women for their monthly cycles is not the reason for women are not allowed into that temple. That is the only temple where women are not allowed and there are mythological/spiritual/practical reasons for it. If you have time, learn more about it. Disrespecting women is the last/no reason for it. If anything, women are respected in Kerala more than anywhere in India. In fact, they have a matriarchal society there.  

The one who filed a writ petition about it in the supreme court is a muslim, the women who tried to enter the temple are either muslim or christian or atheist, not the spiritual women with devotion. The ones who are making a hue and cry about it are the commies/leftists who want to malign Hinduism.

Here’s a pic of the ‘Ready to wait’ campaign by women:

Sorry your post got side tracked. Lovely singing. I wish I understood the lyrics. The younger girl is so cute!!

FluteHolder wrote:Sevaji, I donot want to repeat what K said earlier (1 or 2 key sentences). Search for answer on this by Sadhguru and he explained clearly! 

 Aside, how do you know Lord Ayyappa is a caring and loving deity for women and men? Just asking

Seva Lamberdar wrote:P.A., the current Sabarimala shrine controversy is rooted only in the bad attitude and action of Hindu male priests and devotees in keeping out the Hindu female devotees during fertility years (10-50 yr. age) from entering the shrine and praying to Lord Ayyappa. The women from Muslim and Christian communities (even those sending petitions ot SC)  or the Commies and left-leaning Govts. are not the primary cause for this. This whole situation can be rectified in just 15 minutes if the temple administrators and priests invite a couple of Hindu women (not having the monthly periods) inside the temple and have them offer prayer / worship to Lord Ayyappa, who is as much a caring and loving deity (God) for women as men.

garam-kuta wrote:

FluteHolder wrote:Sevaji, I donot want to repeat what K said earlier (1 or 2 key sentences). Search for answer on this by Sadhguru and he explained clearly! 

 Aside, how do you know Lord Ayyappa is a caring and loving deity for women and men? Just asking

saar, it is just the northindian mentality using their god-given right to disparage and make fun of southindian traditions and culture . a simple solution which only the smart northindians can come up with and tell us lowly southindians . no point in arguing and trying to convince such people.

FluteHolder wrote:Sevaji, I donot want to repeat what K said earlier (1 or 2 key sentences). Search for answer on this by Sadhguru and he explained clearly! 

 Aside, how do you know Lord Ayyappa is a caring and loving deity for women and men? Just asking

garam-kuta wrote:

FluteHolder wrote:Sevaji, I donot want to repeat what K said earlier (1 or 2 key sentences). Search for answer on this by Sadhguru and he explained clearly! 

 Aside, how do you know Lord Ayyappa is a caring and loving deity for women and men? Just asking

saar, it is just the northindian mentality using their god-given right to disparage and make fun of southindian traditions and culture . a simple solution which only the smart northindians can come up with and tell us lowly southindians . no point in arguing and trying to convince such people.

Pentamma wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:P.A., the current Sabarimala shrine controversy is rooted only in the bad attitude and action of Hindu male priests and devotees in keeping out the Hindu female devotees during fertility years (10-50 yr. age) from entering the shrine and praying to Lord Ayyappa. The women from Muslim and Christian communities (even those sending petitions ot SC)  or the Commies and left-leaning Govts. are not the primary cause for this. This whole situation can be rectified in just 15 minutes if the temple administrators and priests invite a couple of Hindu women (not having the monthly periods) inside the temple and have them offer prayer / worship to Lord Ayyappa, who is as much a caring and loving deity (God) for women as men.

Seva Ji, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Please, don't get into this topic. 

A little tidbit for you: No one can just walk into that temple. Even men. One has to take the Vratha diksha and follow a rigorous Brahmacharya (celibacy) for 41 days. During the 41 days, they wear only traditional black clothes, no footwear (or just the wooden paadukas), no alcohol, no meat, no sex, no luxuries (have to sleep down on the floor on a mat), no impure thoughts and have to lead a very spiritual life. When they take the dikha, they are considered as Ayyappa swamy himself who was a Brahmachari and try to lead a life like Him for 41 days (No one calls them by their name. They are addressed as 'Swami' during that time). Only after that are they eligible to visit the shine, which they trek on foot to the hilltop. This is a centuries old practice. One has to strive on the spiritual path with disciple to enter that shrine. Everyone got to respect that. Not any tom, dick, harry or phoolwanti can enter it just like that out of their whims and fancies.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

garam-kuta wrote:

FluteHolder wrote:Sevaji, I donot want to repeat what K said earlier (1 or 2 key sentences). Search for answer on this by Sadhguru and he explained clearly! 

 Aside, how do you know Lord Ayyappa is a caring and loving deity for women and men? Just asking

saar, it is just the northindian mentality using their god-given right to disparage and make fun of southindian traditions and culture . a simple solution which only the smart northindians can come up with and tell us lowly southindians . no point in arguing and trying to convince such people.

North Indians also had a similar outdated centuries-old tradition of keeping women out of one of their temples, but they smartly got rid of it a few years ago (in 2016),

"Ban Removed On Women’s Entry In Baba Balak Nath Temple Cave At Hamirpur (H.P.)" :  
http://hillpost.in/2016/04/ban-removed-on-womens-entry-in-baba-balak-nath-temple-cave-at-hamirpur/105774/