Why would anyone not wish to be conversant with the world's second most spoken language?

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:35 am

A language is not determined on the basis of certain borrowed words in its vocabulary. It is based on the basic rules of grammar and syntax. Hindi-Urdu is founded in same grammatical structure and syntax. Its pronouns, verbs, and basic vocabulary are same. However, vocabulary can always be borrowed. English has borrowed words from all over the world and the variety of vocabulary gives it a strong local color. In the same manner, vocabulary can be borrowed from Persian or Sanskrit without changing the nature of our language called Hindvi, Hindi or Urdu.

My own feeling is that there is nothing wrong in adopting a hyphenated name like Hindi-Urdu or Urdu-Hindi whichever is acceptable. Living with diversity and plurality is the norm, it is unfortunate that we have been fighting over it and feeling sorry about it when differences that exist can be used positively for the benefit of the growth of the language.

It is interesting to note that Hindu-Urdu (together as one language) can claim to be the world's second most spoken language.

http://www.columbia.edu/~sb12/webpages/page7.htm

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Why would anyone not wish to be conversant with the world's second most spoken language?

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:40 am

Rashmun wrote:A language is not determined on the basis of certain borrowed words in its vocabulary. It is based on the basic rules of grammar and syntax. Hindi-Urdu is founded in same grammatical structure and syntax. Its pronouns, verbs, and basic vocabulary are same. However, vocabulary can always be borrowed. English has borrowed words from all over the world and the variety of vocabulary gives it a strong local color. In the same manner, vocabulary can be borrowed from Persian or Sanskrit without changing the nature of our language called Hindvi, Hindi or Urdu.

My own feeling is that there is nothing wrong in adopting a hyphenated name like Hindi-Urdu or Urdu-Hindi whichever is acceptable. Living with diversity and plurality is the norm, it is unfortunate that we have been fighting over it and feeling sorry about it when differences that exist can be used positively for the benefit of the growth of the language.

It is interesting to note that Hindu-Urdu (together as one language) can claim to be the world's second most spoken language.

http://www.columbia.edu/~sb12/webpages/page7.htm

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Why would anyone not wish to be conversant with the world's second most spoken language?

One should note in this connection that Tamilians, perhaps the most intelligent people in India (on average), have started learning the second most spoken language in the world in record numbers.

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:05 pm

Let's pretend Mandarin and Spanish don't exist.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:13 pm

Hellsangel wrote:Let's pretend Mandarin and Spanish don't exist.

that is why we are taking hindi and urdu together and treating them as one language, which they are. Usually, they are treated as separate languages but the claim that they are two distinct languages to be treated separately is fallacious as per the writer of the article and i agree with her.

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:15 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers#Ethnologue_.282009.29

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:17 pm

Hellsangel wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers#Ethnologue_.282009.29

According to your own link, Hindi-Urdu is the third most widely spoken language in the world (ahead of spanish).

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:20 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers#Ethnologue_.282009.29

According to your own link, Hindi-Urdu is the third most widely spoken language in the world (ahead of spanish).

By which column?

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:21 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers#Ethnologue_.282009.29

According to your own link, Hindi-Urdu is the third most widely spoken language in the world (ahead of spanish).

By which column?

Total speakers column, and other estimates column.

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:24 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers#Ethnologue_.282009.29

According to your own link, Hindi-Urdu is the third most widely spoken language in the world (ahead of spanish).

By which column?

Total speakers column, and other estimates column.

Let us see :

Mandarin -
One of the six official languages of the United Nations.
All varieties of Chinese: 1,200 million (2000)

Spanish - 400 million native.^[3] 500 million total (2009)^[4]
One of the six official languages of the United Nations.
English - Approximately 375 million L1 speakers, 375 million L2 speakers, and 750 million EFL speakers. Totaling about 1.5 billion speakers.^[5]

One of the six official languages of the United Nations.

Hindi/Urdu - 490 million total speakers.^[6]

By the way even Arabic exceeds that in total speakers.

How is your Math?

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:30 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers#Ethnologue_.282009.29

According to your own link, Hindi-Urdu is the third most widely spoken language in the world (ahead of spanish).

By which column?

Total speakers column, and other estimates column.

Let us see :

Mandarin -
One of the six official languages of the United Nations.
All varieties of Chinese: 1,200 million (2000)

Spanish - 400 million native.^[3] 500 million total (2009)^[4]
One of the six official languages of the United Nations.
English - Approximately 375 million L1 speakers, 375 million L2 speakers, and 750 million EFL speakers. Totaling about 1.5 billion speakers.^[5]

One of the six official languages of the United Nations.

Hindi/Urdu - 490 million total speakers.^[6]
How is your Math?

Scroll down to the heading Ethnologue (2009). The Total Speakers column has a higher number for hindi-urdu than for spanish.

by Nila Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:31 pm

Does that mean one should learn both Hindi and Urdu to converse in Hinrdu?

I had a nightmare yesterday that someone was talking to me in Hindi and since I wasn't very fluent - I was blabbering and everyone was making fun of me. Visiting CH can cause this kinda nightmares. I don't even understand a word in Urdu!

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:33 pm

Sasthi wrote:Does that mean one should learn both Hindi and Urdu to converse in Hinrdu?

I had a nightmare yesterday that someone was talking to me in Hindi and since I wasn't very fluent - I was blabbering and everyone was making fun of me. Visiting CH can cause this kinda nightmares. I don't even understand a word in Urdu!

What it means is that hindi and urdu are the same language in terms of grammar, structure, and basic vocabulary.

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:33 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Scroll down to the heading Ethnologue (2009). The Total Speakers column and 'Other Estimates' column has a higher number for hindi-urdu than for spanish.

And yet Hindi/Urdu is ranked 4th. The Other Estimates columns lists 10 million more Spanish speakers than Hindi/Urdu speakers. Of course *you* would like to continue your Hindi propaganda.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:37 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

According to your own link, Hindi-Urdu is the third most widely spoken language in the world (ahead of spanish).

By which column?

Total speakers column, and other estimates column.

Let us see :

Mandarin -
One of the six official languages of the United Nations.
All varieties of Chinese: 1,200 million (2000)

Spanish - 400 million native.^[3] 500 million total (2009)^[4]
One of the six official languages of the United Nations.
English - Approximately 375 million L1 speakers, 375 million L2 speakers, and 750 million EFL speakers. Totaling about 1.5 billion speakers.^[5]

One of the six official languages of the United Nations.

Hindi/Urdu - 490 million total speakers.^[6]
How is your Math?

Scroll down to the heading Ethnologue (2009). The Total Speakers column has a higher number for hindi-urdu than for spanish.

As per the Other Estimates column, hindi-urdu has nearly the same number of speakers as spanish (490 million vs 500 million).

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:38 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Scroll down to the heading Ethnologue (2009). The Total Speakers column has a higher number for hindi-urdu than for spanish.

As per the Other Estimates column, hindi-urdu has nearly the same number of speakers as spanish (490 million vs 500 million).

Oh! Now from higher number it is nearly the same number?

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:40 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Scroll down to the heading Ethnologue (2009). The Total Speakers column has a higher number for hindi-urdu than for spanish.

As per the Other Estimates column, hindi-urdu has nearly the same number of speakers as spanish (490 million vs 500 million).

Oh! Now from higher number it is nearly the same number?

With respect to the 'other estimates' column, yes. but the 'total speakers' column says that hindi-urdu speakers are more than spanish speakers.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:29 pm

another point to note: in the wikipedia article (link given by HA), certain hindi dialects like Awadhi and Bhojpuri are being considered as distinct from hindi-urdu. there is absolutely no justification for this. They need to be counted as part of hindi-urdu. When we do this we will find that hindi-urdu has many more speakers than spanish.

hence, based on the link given by HA, hindi-urdu is the third most widely spoken language in the world (after english and chinese).

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:58 pm

Can a Duckini-cluckini speaker understand someone speaking in Bhojpuri? Let us see if another Hindian will answer this.

by Kayalvizhi Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:10 pm

Rashmun,

I don't care how many people speak Hindi. Cock roaches has a large population. Will you keep cockroaches as pets in your bed?

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:10 pm

Hellsangel wrote:Can a Duckini-cluckini speaker understand someone speaking in Bhojpuri? Let us see if another Hindian will answer this.

a hindustani speaker typically will not understand bhojpuri sufficiently enough to communicate with the bhojpuri speaker. However, the bhojpuri speaker will typically understand hindustani and be able to communicate with the hindustani speaker. there are many examples of this all over the world. portugese in brazil is considered a dialect of portugese in portugal and yet the speakers of one of these countries (i now forget which) can understand the portugese of the speakers of the other country and the reverse typically does not hold good.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:11 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:Rashmun,

I don't care how many people speak Hindi. Cock roaches has a large population. Will you keep cockroaches as pets in your bed?

i have a german friend who wanted to learn italian when he was a youngster out of his own interest. his parents insisted that he learn french (instead of italian) since there are many more french speakers than italian speakers. he is now happy that he learnt french instead of italian.

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:16 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:Can a Duckini-cluckini speaker understand someone speaking in Bhojpuri? Let us see if another Hindian will answer this.

a hindustani speaker typically will not understand bhojpuri sufficiently enough to communicate with the bhojpuri speaker. However, the bhojpuri speaker will typically understand hindustani and be able to communicate with the hindustani speaker. there are many examples of this all over the world. portugese in brazil is considered a dialect of portugese in portugal and yet the speakers of one of these countries (i now forget which) can understand the portugese of the speakers of the other country and the reverse typically does not hold good.

Enough said.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:22 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:Can a Duckini-cluckini speaker understand someone speaking in Bhojpuri? Let us see if another Hindian will answer this.

a hindustani speaker typically will not understand bhojpuri sufficiently enough to communicate with the bhojpuri speaker. However, the bhojpuri speaker will typically understand hindustani and be able to communicate with the hindustani speaker. there are many examples of this all over the world. portugese in brazil is considered a dialect of portugese in portugal and yet the speakers of one of these countries (i now forget which) can understand the portugese of the speakers of the other country and the reverse typically does not hold good.

Enough said.

Another example is the cockney english dialect:

Frankly, True Cockney from Central London is not understandable to the uninitiated.

http://www.antimoon.com/forum/2004/4548.htm

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:25 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:Can a Duckini-cluckini speaker understand someone speaking in Bhojpuri? Let us see if another Hindian will answer this.

a hindustani speaker typically will not understand bhojpuri sufficiently enough to communicate with the bhojpuri speaker. However, the bhojpuri speaker will typically understand hindustani and be able to communicate with the hindustani speaker. there are many examples of this all over the world. portugese in brazil is considered a dialect of portugese in portugal and yet the speakers of one of these countries (i now forget which) can understand the portugese of the speakers of the other country and the reverse typically does not hold good.

Unless that speaker lives in or if his family hails from a region where bhojpuri is the regional dialect spoken.

by Kayalvizhi Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:28 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Rashmun,

I don't care how many people speak Hindi. Cock roaches has a large population. Will you keep cockroaches as pets in your bed?

i have a german friend who wanted to learn italian when he was a youngster out of his own interest. his parents insisted that he learn french (instead of italian) since there are many more french speakers than italian speakers. he is now happy that he learnt french instead of italian.

What about the cockroaches?

by Propagandhi711 Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:34 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Rashmun,

I don't care how many people speak Hindi. Cock roaches has a large population. Will you keep cockroaches as pets in your bed?

i have a german friend who wanted to learn italian when he was a youngster out of his own interest. his parents insisted that he learn french (instead of italian) since there are many more french speakers than italian speakers. he is now happy that he learnt french instead of italian.

What about the cockroaches?

rashmun's andalusian friend once slept with a cockroach after growing fond of it during a summer that he spent with it in madrid. he is happy for the experience.

by Nila Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:22 pm

On the second thought: The reason could be that people in general don't want to be second. They prefer either to be first or last.

Let's learn Chinese - Mandarian.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:33 pm

@ OP

some people find it difficult to learn new languages. as for not wanting to learn, maybe bcz they feel its enforced. they way its introduced to new learners is very important. now they dont have no interest.

by Idéfix Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:38 pm

seven wrote:some people find it difficult to learn new languages.

Correct.

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:40 pm

panini press wrote:
seven wrote:some people find it difficult to learn ~~new languages~~.
Correct.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:41 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:Rashmun,

I don't care how many people speak Hindi. Cock roaches has a large population. Will you keep cockroaches as pets in your bed?

i know you called hindi cockroach. it was probably to make hindians angry etc. but its so hard to care when you're sooo in bliss.
listening to character dheela hai - my favvv song!

you need to loosen up a little, kv. take things easy and learn to have fun/laugh/be happy etc. even during ur freedom struggle.

i red somewhere, the joy is in the journey and not in the destination necesarily. bcz honestly, i dont think tamilnadu will become a separate nation in our lifetime. so you mgiht as well take it easy. it will happen when it will happen. 1000 years from now.

cheers,
7

by Idéfix Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:43 pm

seven wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Rashmun,

I don't care how many people speak Hindi. Cock roaches has a large population. Will you keep cockroaches as pets in your bed?

i know you called hindi cockroach. it was probably to make hindians angry etc. but its so hard to care when you're sooo in bliss.
listening to character dheela hai - my favvv song!

you need to loosen up a little, kv. take things easy and learn to have fun/laugh/be happy etc. even during ur freedom struggle.

i red somewhere, the joy is in the journey and not in the destination necesarily. bcz honestly, i dont think tamilnadu will become a separate nation in our lifetime. so you mgiht as well take it easy. it will happen when it will happen. 1000 years from now.

cheers,
7

Good response; I enjoyed reading that.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:24 pm

thank you!

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:28 pm

here are some reasons one would decide to learn a language.

utilitarian - to get employed. i'd put english and increasingly mandarin firmly in this category for many people everywhere.

to read works of science, literature, or art - e.g. i have always wanted to learn german formally because i'd like to read a lot of the original papers published in the early to mid twentieth century that led to our current understanding of the physical world. i have always wanted to learn a bit of telugu because i want to understand the great musical compositions of thyagaraja and annamayya. i want to learn a bit of greek because i want to read the great epics in the original. same with tamil -- i imagine people like george hart became attracted to tamil because of its rich literary heritage.

to understand the relationship among modern languages and their roots -- in this category i would put sanskrit, latin, and probably tamil.

what reason does one have to learn hindi other than that teeming masses of people speak it?

by Hellsangel Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:31 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:here are some reasons one would decide to learn a language.

utilitarian - to get employed. i'd put english and increasingly mandarin firmly in this category for many people everywhere. Spanish figures in there too.

to read works of science, literature, or art - e.g. i have always wanted to learn german formally because i'd like to read a lot of the original papers published in the early to mid twentieth century that led to our current understanding of the physical world. i have always wanted to learn a bit of telugu because i want to understand the great musical compositions of thyagaraja and annamayya. i want to learn a bit of greek because i want to read the great epics in the original. same with tamil -- i imagine people like george hart became attracted to tamil because of its rich literary heritage.

to understand the relationship among modern languages and their roots -- in this category i would put sanskrit, latin, and probably tamil.

what reason does one have to learn hindi other than that teeming masses of people speak it?

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:41 pm

yes i forgot spanish.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:52 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:here are some reasons one would decide to learn a language.

utilitarian - to get employed. i'd put english and increasingly mandarin firmly in this category for many people everywhere.

to read works of science, literature, or art - e.g. i have always wanted to learn german formally because i'd like to read a lot of the original papers published in the early to mid twentieth century that led to our current understanding of the physical world. i have always wanted to learn a bit of telugu because i want to understand the great musical compositions of thyagaraja and annamayya. i want to learn a bit of greek because i want to read the great epics in the original. same with tamil -- i imagine people like george hart became attracted to tamil because of its rich literary heritage.

to understand the relationship among modern languages and their roots -- in this category i would put sanskrit, latin, and probably tamil.

what reason does one have to learn hindi other than that teeming masses of people speak it?

utilitarian--if you end up working anywhere in NI (and by this i mean in any state excluding the four south indian states) you can get by with hindi. you will feel handicapped if you do not know hindi. hindi will also be useful in communication if you end up working in hyderabad and bangalore and various other cities in south india. For instance, i could communicate with the security guards in my bangalore office who were from north-east and who knew assamese, bengali, and hindi and also with the nepali security guards in my apartment building who knew nepali and hindi (some of the nepalis knew kannada while others did not but they all knew hindi). hindi is also useful when communicating with pakis, nepalis, afghans, bhutanese, etc. and also to varying extents with bangladeshis, and people of other countries.

to read works of literature or art--the poetry of amir khusrau, tulsidas, soordas, raskhan, rahim, kabir, etc. is all in hindi. Devotional hindi poetry is perhaps the finest devotional poetry in all of Indian literature. The fact that these three tamil sisters were so besotted with the hindi poetry of Kabir is only one instance of the magic and power of devotional hindi poetry:

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/234898/three-sisters-kabir.html

Since you have earlier agreed that urdu is in fact the same language as hindi one can also state that urdu poetry is easily among the finest poetry not just in India but also in the world when it comes to romantic poetry and mystical poetry (sufi verses). Perhaps the greatest short story writer of modern India (Saadat Hassan Manto) was writing in urdu which can be read in the original by anyone who knows hindi since there are editions of his books in the devanagari script.

When you combine hindi with urdu and treat the language as hindi-urdu, then the literature becomes vast.

With respect to scientific works i believe one would have to learn sanskrit, persian, and tamil, (and to a much lesser extent malayalam) to read the vast majority of scientific works in India in the original. i have no interest in learning a language for this purpose when i can follow the scientific ideas in english translation.

by truthbetold Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:09 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:Rashmun,

I don't care how many people speak Hindi. Cock roaches has a large population. Will you keep cockroaches as pets in your bed?

Kv,
even though i do not agree with your position on hindi, your response was very logical and strong response to mindless quantitative comparison in the original post.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:54 pm

increasingly the migration patterns within india dictate indicate that hindi will lose its importance. so less and less utilitarian every day. and hindi is quite useless outside of india. even tamil has more currency outside of india -- in singapore, sri lanka, and malaysia.

anyway i don't think hindi's literary heritage can be compared to that of tamil, sanskrit, or latin. no way, no how.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:25 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:increasingly the migration patterns within india dictate indicate that hindi will lose its importance. so less and less utilitarian every day. and hindi is quite useless outside of india. even tamil has more currency outside of india -- in singapore, sri lanka, and malaysia.

anyway i don't think hindi's literary heritage can be compared to that of tamil, sanskrit, or latin. no way, no how.

Recall that earlier you agreed that Hindi and Urdu are essentially the same language. Taking this into account, Hindi is spoken in Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan,Burma, and Afghanistan.

With respect to migration patterns the NI's who are coming to SI are contributing to the spread of Hindi.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:31 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:Let's pretend Mandarin and Spanish don't exist.

that is why we are taking hindi and urdu together and treating them as one language, which they are. Usually, they are treated as separate languages but the claim that they are two distinct languages to be treated separately is fallacious as per the writer of the article and i agree with her.

Please also take Sanskrit and include Marathi, Bhojpuri, nepali, Dhakhni, Kakhni, Maangni, and it is quite possible to include German, French, sweedish, Russian, and all indo-european languages.

It will be the world's biggest language.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:36 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:Let's pretend Mandarin and Spanish don't exist.

that is why we are taking hindi and urdu together and treating them as one language, which they are. Usually, they are treated as separate languages but the claim that they are two distinct languages to be treated separately is fallacious as per the writer of the article and i agree with her.

Please also take Sanskrit and include Marathi, Bhojpuri, nepali, Dhakhni, Kakhni, Maangni, and it is quite possible to include German, French, sweedish, Russian, and all indo-european languages.

It will be the world's biggest language.

Max had earlier agreed that Hindi and Urdu are essentially the same language. Surely you are not accusing Max of being pro Hindi?

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:40 pm

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:increasingly the migration patterns within india dictate indicate that hindi will lose its importance. so less and less utilitarian every day. and hindi is quite useless outside of india. even tamil has more currency outside of india -- in singapore, sri lanka, and malaysia.

anyway i don't think hindi's literary heritage can be compared to that of tamil, sanskrit, or latin. no way, no how.

Recall that earlier you agreed that Hindi and Urdu are essentially the same language. Taking this into account, Hindi is spoken in Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan,Burma, and Afghanistan.

With respect to migration patterns the NI's who are coming to SI are contributing to the spread of Hindi.

rashmun the happening people of the world get to decide what language the world thinks is desirable to learn - hence english, mandarin, and spanish. the countries you have listed have mostly contributed nothing to the world other than strife and terrorism - ok two nobel laureates, one in physics and one peace, but really nothing that amounts to a hill of beans. by that token hindi/urdu = fail. by the same token tamil also = fail, but tamilians aren't the ones bellyaching about why nobody wants to learn tamil. put that in your pipe and smoke it.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:52 pm

also i rather prefer visiting or living in singapore or malaysia to pakistan and afghanistan. your mileage may vary.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:52 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Recall that earlier you agreed that Hindi and Urdu are essentially the same language.

so hindi is so much corrupted with urdu that both are considered as one and the same now? jeez! Seems like it is true. Most indian languages are pretty sanskritized. Indians are culturally, religiously and emotionally connected to sanskrit. why would they want to learn hindi/urdu when urdu is considered a muslims' language, the language of invaders?

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:07 pm

corrupted? i had always thought of hindi as a mongrel language right at birth.

by Guest Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:10 pm

probably is a mongrel, but was as sanskritized as other indian languages, afaik. Looks like the sanskritized hindi made way to highly urdufied hindi, thanks to the bollywood dialogue writers.

by Kayalvizhi Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:53 pm

seven wrote:

i know you called hindi cockroach.

That was not my intention. I never degraded hindi. look through my posts extending over 10 yrs.

seven wrote:
bcz honestly, i dont think tamilnadu will become a separate nation in our lifetime. so you mgiht as well take it easy. it will happen when it will happen. 1000 years from now.

Does not matter. I may nevever see an indep Tamil country but that does not mean i should not fight for it.

In 10 commandmend God tells the hero something like, you will go upto Jersusalem but you will never enter it. The hero did not quit he continued the journey

by Kayalvizhi Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:57 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:increasingly the migration patterns within india dictate indicate that hindi will lose its importance. so less and less utilitarian every day.

Wrong conclusion. Actually the migratory pattern (Hindians migrating to non-Hindi states increases the pread of Hindi because Hindian continue to use Hindi and others respond to them in Hindi having been exposed toi Hindi because it is taught in scholls except for TN and may be couple of northeastern states.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:17 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:increasingly the migration patterns within india dictate indicate that hindi will lose its importance. so less and less utilitarian every day.

Wrong conclusion. Actually the migratory pattern (Hindians migrating to non-Hindi states increases the pread of Hindi because Hindian continue to use Hindi and others respond to them in Hindi having been exposed toi Hindi because it is taught in scholls except for TN and may be couple of northeastern states.

you may be right, but if what i've seen on this board in the last year or so is any indication, there is hope that that might be changing. i used to be largely a lone voice on such matters on sulekha. in the last year or so, i've seen a distinct change in how non-tamilian southern indians react to hindi pushing on this board. it's a good bet therefore that out there in the real world too, people have had enough of that nonsense.

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