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Post by truthbetold on Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:39 am

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/18/selena-gomezs-bindi-draws-criticism/?iref=allsearch
Read the news item and associated comments.
Let me show my ignorance and ask the experts few clarifications?
1. Is bindi representative of third eye?
2. Wearing bindi only after marriage must be a noorthIndia custom. In si, girls wear all through their lives.
3. What is the meaning of bindi anyway?

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Post by Kinnera on Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:51 am

I saw the music video. There's nothing that's offensive. The song also had some indian music fused into and the probably gave a little more indian touch to it by spotting the bindis. The ones crying, 'disrespect to hinduism' are looking for some cheap publicity.

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:55 am

overall it's a boring song.

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Post by Kinnera on Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:55 am

"The red bindi has multiple meanings which are all valid at the same time. This is also a spiritual symbol.

By one simple interpretation it is a cosmetic mark used to enhance beauty.

From Vedic times, the bindi was created as a means to worship one's intellect. Therefore, it was used by both men and women. The worship of intellect was in order to use it to ensure our thoughts, speech, actions, habits and ultimately our character becomes pure. A strong intellect can help one to make noble decisions in life, be able to stand up to challenges in life with courage, and recognize and welcome good thoughts in life. The belief was that on this a strong individual, a strong family and strong society can be formed.

In meditation, this very spot between the eyebrows (Bhrumadhya) is where one focuses his/her sight, so that it helps concentration. Most images of Buddha or Hindu divinities in meditative pose with their eyes nearly closed show the gaze focused between eyebrows (other spot being the tip of the nose – naasikagra).

Swami Muktanand writes 'auspicious Kumkum or sandal wood paste is applied (between the eyebrows) out of respect for inner Guru. It is the Guru's seat. There is a chakra (center of spiritual energy within human body) here called Ajna (Aadnyaa) chakra meaning 'Command center'. Here you receive the Guru's command to go higher in Sadhana (spiritual practice) to the 'Sahasraar' (seventh and final chakra) which leads to Self-realization. The flame seen at the eyebrow is called 'Guru Jyoti'. (From Finite to Infinite, by Swami Muktananda, SYDA Foundation, S. Fallsburg, NY, 1989, pp. 88–89)

The encyclopedic dictionary of Yoga informs that this 'Ajna Chakra' is also called the 'Third eye'. This center is connected with the sacred syllable 'Om' and presiding it is 'ParaaShiva'. After activation of this center, the aspirant overcomes 'Ahamkar' (ego or sense of individuality), the last hurdle on the path of spirituality."

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Post by truthbetold on Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:57 am

Can either of you answer my questions?

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Post by truthbetold on Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:04 am

Nenu,
It appears that bindi is a marker for intellect or concentration. Can be used by men and women. In fact in religious cermonies both genders wear some symbol at bindi location.
thanks.

In modern times it looks more like a fashion accessory.

In either case salina wearing bindi doesnnot have any sarcastic or negative cannotation.


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Post by Kinnera on Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:04 am

truthbetold wrote:Can either of you answer my questions?

This is my answer: 'By one simple interpretation it is a cosmetic mark used to enhance beauty' and it goes very well with saris and indian dresses. That's it for me. And yeah, I've been spotting it since the time i can remember, not after marriage.

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:05 am

In NIs sindoor as the bindi on forehead is for married women only, afaik. Not for pre-marriage, and no longer "allowed" once she was widowed, unless she was very old, in which case a black colored one was "acceptable". Seen only marathi women do this though, and seen unmarried marathi girls also sporting a bindi before marriage. Not NIs. But all this was followed more strictly up until the 80s. After that, it became pretty universal and fashionable.

If I remember one vague version, and I think it's pretty imaginative, was that sindoor (some properties in it), on that spot covering the "third eye" kept the women a bit peaceful and her thoughts, urges, etc in check, which is desired from a married woman.

People of previous generation do hate those fashionable stickies. I remember my XH's grandma creating a HUGE scene when one of her DILs, i.e. my MILs, bought one of those once. She did begin allowing stickies, but only the red round ones. She always had a grudge with me whenever I dressed up Indian, and always forgot to put bindi on. One of my MILs kept a packet handy just for my benefit, lol. To protect me from her "wrath", but in my case, she was just indulgent, and LOL'ed while commenting on no-bindi, no-mangalsutra getup. If I was in mood, I would put the bindi on. For mangalsutra, I would play my NI card stating ANY necklace is fine, it doesn't have to be mangalsutra.

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Post by Kinnera on Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:17 am

Vidya Bagchi wrote:
People of previous generation do hate those fashionable stickies. I remember my XH's grandma creating a HUGE scene when one of her DILs, i.e. my MILs, bought one of those once. She did begin allowing stickies, but only the red round ones.

My MIL did the same to me early on in my marriage. Grrr! She didn't allow me to put on the sticky saying that it is not a real 'bottu'/bindi. She either wanted me to use 'tilakam' (the liquid) or 'kumkuma' (powder one). I had to do that when she was around.
Anyway, now she must be dying inside but won't say it aloud when I don't wear a bindi with my western clothes. Early on, she used to prevent me from wearing even salwars. Only saris were allowed. No leaving my hair open either. I had to tie it back. To hell with all that now Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:24 am

nenu wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:
People of previous generation do hate those fashionable stickies. I remember my XH's grandma creating a HUGE scene when one of her DILs, i.e. my MILs, bought one of those once. She did begin allowing stickies, but only the red round ones.

My MIL did the same to me early on in my marriage. Grrr! She didn't allow me to put on the sticky saying that it is not a real 'bottu'/bindi. She either wanted me to use 'tilakam' (the liquid) or 'kumkuma' (powder one). I had to do that when she was around.
Anyway, now she must be dying inside, but won't say it aloud, when I don't wear a bindi with my western clothes. Early on, she used to prevent me from wearing even salwars. Only saris were allowed. No leaving my hair open either. I had to tie it back. To hell with all that now Evil or Very Mad

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People of previous generation do hate those fashionable stickies. I remember my XH's grandma creating a HUGE scene when one of her DILs, i.e. my MILs, bought one of those once. She did begin allowing stickies, but only the red round ones. She always had a grudge with me whenever I dressed up Indian, and always forgot to put bindi on. One of my MILs kept a packet handy just for my benefit, lol. To protect me from her "wrath", but in my case, she was just indulgent, and LOL'ed while commenting on no-bindi, no-mangalsutra getup. If I was in mood, I would put the bindi on. For mangalsutra, I would play my NI card stating ANY necklace is fine, it doesn't have to be mangalsutra.

My own ex-MIL didn't say anything. She was a suffering DIL all her life, so she was more protective of me that way, and from what I hear, she still is. Funnily, her mil ALSO defended me every time, and supported me no matter what, as long as she lived (god bless her soul).

Anyhoos, I had a grudge against anything that super-symbolized the "suhagan" aspect of things. Be it sindoor, be it colors, be it jewelry. One of my aunts would be like, 'a suhagan can't let water slide through her throat if her neck is bare'. Coz the ugly side of it was widows being outcasted from many scenes, and women doing everything irrational to stay a 'suhagan'. There were very nasty side effects of the whole suhagan concept, and I was determined, in my own rebel ways, to mix up the whole thing.

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Post by Kinnera on Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:09 pm

Vidya Bagchi wrote:
Anyhoos, I had a grudge against anything that super-symbolized the "suhagan" aspect of things. Be it sindoor, be it colors, be it jewelry. One of my aunts would be like, 'a suhagan can't let water slide through her throat if her neck is bare'. Coz the ugly side of it was widows being outcasted from many scenes, and women doing everything irrational to stay a 'suhagan'. There were very nasty side effects of the whole suhagan concept, and I was determined, in my own rebel ways, to mix up the whole thing.

yeah, that was the thing. The 'suhagans'/'muttaiduvalu' over did the thing to flaunt their marital status. My MIL also overdid the things herself and insisted that I do them too coz that's the privilege of the suhagans and you got to do it. Apart from the bindi thing, she insisted that i wear glass bangles (gold bangles are not counted coz even some widows wear them), putting flowers in the head daily, wearing black beads chain, toe rings and all. She couldn't imagine me taking out my mangalsutras even for a second. She used to make a big scene if she got a hint that i wasn't heeding to any of her demands. And such are her kind who are most unkind to widows. F all that!

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Post by Jeremiah Mburuburu on Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:22 pm

truthbetold wrote:In si, girls wear all through their lives.
1. girls wear what?

2. do they wear all? all what?

3. in bagchi's northindian, what-all do they wear?

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Post by truthbetold on Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:08 pm

Jm,

Read sentences in context and fill in blanks. Otherwise go f yourself.

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Post by truthbetold on Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:19 pm

Vb,
in our family we have made it a point to not change bindi style or cloth colors if one loses their male partner. We ensure their full participation in all religious and joyous occassions.
sometimes it gets tricky with a lot of non family members participating. Elders like my father who are considered deeply religious take the initiative to invite or indicate participation of single elderly relatives. We cannot fill their loss of life long partner but we try to minimuze their pain by avoiding demeaning customs.

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