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Post by indophile Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:18 am

This is from a gentleman in Telangana (Nalgonda).

http://www.myteluguroots.com/

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Post by smArtha Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:03 am

indophile wrote:This is from a gentleman in Telangana (Nalgonda).

http://www.myteluguroots.com/
How does MLAs and MPs resigning help the samaikya cause? Also, if the leaders who are elected and established are not meeting the inclinations of the larger public, that is a great opportunity for new leaders to emerge.

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Post by indophile Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:44 am

smArtha wrote:
indophile wrote:This is from a gentleman in Telangana (Nalgonda).

http://www.myteluguroots.com/
How does MLAs and MPs resigning help the samaikya cause? Also, if the leaders who are elected and established are not meeting the inclinations of the larger public, that is a great opportunity for new leaders to emerge.
It appears there are two reasons why people who elected thenm wish they would resign (I don't think they have "recall" facility in India): (1) some leaders who were highly vocal about the united state simply mummed up after being appointed to ministerships (they were plainly bought); and (2) there are others who simply state their present elected position (MP/MLA) is very important to push the united state view, but are also mum (like the first group). Then there is a third group who first said they are indifferent about the state division, but when they saw the agitations and public sentiment, are revising their indifference with some "asi-dhaaraa-vratam"). The public are reassured beyond doubt that all these folks do not really represent them, but represent only their self interest. I agree with you it's a great time to flush these guys and for responsible new leaders to emerge.

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Post by smArtha Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:48 am

If the misguided public is not willing to accept any position other than a United AP, then what can the leaders, political or not, do about it? Having come this far, United AP is not maintainable and this much sense the agitators should have. Currently, the situation indeed is an 'asi-dhaara-vratam'. Not just the rank opportunists even the mature politicians will avoid confronting 'devil or deep sea' kind choices.

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Post by Kayalvizhi Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:58 am

Over the past few weeks I have developed  nothing but contempt for most of you Telugus here. You fight among yourself to bifurcate your homeland while Hindians won't even allow you to speak in your mother tongue in parliament without notice. Instead of fighting that external threat to your culture and language you people fight among yourselves for the bits of meat around the bones Hindians throw at you. Shame on you.

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Post by Propagandhi711 Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:06 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:Over the past few weeks I have developed  nothing but contempt for most of you Telugus here. You fight among yourself to bifurcate your homeland while Hindians won't even allow you to speak in your mother tongue in parliament without notice. Instead of fighting that external threat to your culture and language you people fight among yourselves for the bits of meat around the bones Hindians throw at you. Shame on you.
let me count the number of ppl that give a shit about what a terrorist loving, separatist kunt from sri lanka thinks. I'll get back to you in the afternoon with the results.

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Post by smArtha Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:08 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:Over the past few weeks I have developed  nothing but contempt for most of you Telugus here. You fight among yourself to bifurcate your homeland while Hindians won't even allow you to speak in your mother tongue in parliament without notice. Instead of fighting that external threat to your culture and language you people fight among yourselves for the bits of meat around the bones Hindians throw at you. Shame on you.
And why should anyone be able to speak in their native language without making prior arrangements for a translator? And what is the point of any communication that the target audience cannot decipher?

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Post by Kayalvizhi Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:12 pm

smArtha wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Over the past few weeks I have developed  nothing but contempt for most of you Telugus here. You fight among yourself to bifurcate your homeland while Hindians won't even allow you to speak in your mother tongue in parliament without notice. Instead of fighting that external threat to your culture and language you people fight among yourselves for the bits of meat around the bones Hindians throw at you. Shame on you.
And why should anyone be able to speak in their native language without making prior arrangements for a translator? And what is the point of any communication that the target audience cannot decipher?
If a bunch of Hindi translators are available every minute the parliament is in session why not one Telugu translapr all the time in parliament? Are you acceding to third class ciotizenship?

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Post by indophile Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:54 pm

smArtha wrote:If the misguided public is not willing to accept any position other than a United AP, then what can the leaders, political or not, do about it? Having come this far, United AP is not maintainable and this much sense the agitators should have. Currently, the situation indeed is an 'asi-dhaara-vratam'. Not just the rank opportunists even the mature politicians will avoid confronting 'devil or deep sea' kind choices.
It is very clear that Sonia Gandhi wants Rahul to be PM, come hell or high water. At one time she could count on 40+ votes from AP to achieve her dream. Now with Jagan splitting AP was gone. The best way to salvage the situation is to rapidly grant Telangana and hope for the best (that would neutralize BJP claiming credit if it comes to that). At least 40% of the old AP could be put in Rahul's corner. For Chidambaram, Moily and others that would help steer more industry (Dell, Microsoft, Huyndai, etc. originally planning to start new operations in Hyderabad) to Madras and Bangalore. That is all water under the bridge. Now, if SA doesn't raise hell it would make the divison an inexpensive political ploy for Sonia (just throwing some crumbs to Kavuri, Purandershwari, etc.) and it should not be allowed to pass. That's why the agitation in SA is important, and the people agitating insisting that MPs. ministers, MLAs resign and enter the agitation with a clean slate, but not be used by Sonias and other powers that be to dilute it.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:49 pm

indophile wrote:
smArtha wrote:If the misguided public is not willing to accept any position other than a United AP, then what can the leaders, political or not, do about it? Having come this far, United AP is not maintainable and this much sense the agitators should have. Currently, the situation indeed is an 'asi-dhaara-vratam'. Not just the rank opportunists even the mature politicians will avoid confronting 'devil or deep sea' kind choices.
It is very clear that Sonia Gandhi wants Rahul to be PM, come hell or high water. At one time she could count on 40+ votes from AP to achieve her dream. Now with Jagan splitting AP was gone. The best way to salvage the situation is to rapidly grant Telangana and hope for the best (that would neutralize BJP claiming credit if it comes to that). At least 40% of the old AP could be put in Rahul's corner. For Chidambaram, Moily and others that would help steer more industry (Dell, Microsoft, Huyndai, etc. originally planning to start new operations in Hyderabad) to Madras and Bangalore. That is all water under the bridge. Now, if SA doesn't raise hell it would make the divison an inexpensive political ploy for Sonia (just throwing some crumbs to Kavuri, Purandershwari, etc.) and it should not be allowed to pass. That's why the agitation in SA is important, and the people agitating insisting that MPs. ministers, MLAs resign and enter the agitation with a clean slate, but not be used by Sonias and other powers that be to dilute it.
Indeed! It is clear that CONmen in AP are just sycophants of the high-command (NTR made this point emphatically) who are there just to make some money for themselves. The high-command tolerates their corruption as long as it is beneficial to her interests (YSR and his son were close to her as long as YSR was taking money bags to Delhi on a regular basis and was helping with electing pro-CON MPs in the state). The Telangana issue was fostered by YSR as well as CBN at different times for political gains (without thinking about the welfare of the people). Therefore, the views of these MPs don't reflect the public mood. Now that the issue has come to this stage, I agree with you that the agitation should continue so that at least some justice is done to A & R regions. T politicians will definitely start harassing A & R people of Hyderabad once T is created. Therefore, Hyderabad should not be handed over to them on a platter (their demand for a separate state is mainly for the revenue that Hyd generates) and the agitation in A & R should convey this in no uncertain terms to the high-command. Jagan is not the solution for A & R as he will cater to CON interests after getting elected. Hopefully, new leaders will pop up in A & R.

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Post by smArtha Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:05 pm

indophile wrote:Now, if SA doesn't raise hell it would make the divison an inexpensive political ploy for Sonia (just throwing some crumbs to Kavuri, Purandershwari, etc.) and it should not be allowed to pass. That's why the agitation in SA is important, and the people agitating insisting that MPs. ministers, MLAs resign and enter the agitation with a clean slate, but not be used by Sonias and other powers that be to dilute it.
The agitation doesn't seem such a well thought out one. It is a spontaneous outburst resulting from the uncertainty and the insecurity that the division threw up. And it is being kept alive by a false sense of 'United Telugu Pride' instead of being rooted in the pragmatics of the current reality. What the agitators are accusing their leaders - misreading the future and not planning for the eventuality - they are doing the same now. In this case they are not even able to read the writing on the wall. If they did the Samaikya JAC should be drafting the conditions for separation - funds for capital and state development, resource distribution, tax and revenue sharing during the interim period, hard guarantees on all these promises etc. I don't see much unity on these things now and so everyone is latching on to the default and only unifying theme - United AP.

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Post by smArtha Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:11 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Jagan is not the solution for A & R as he will cater to CON interests after getting elected. Hopefully, new leaders will pop up in A & R.
Yes and also Jagan has more reasons to align with Congress than not. The way to punish Congress for their opportunistic deed is to not elect either Congress or Jagan both at State and National level. In fact, now that Telangana is a lost cause for both BJP and TDP, the SA region should negotiate with these parties thus ensuring higher guarantees for funds and development post separation.

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Post by smArtha Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:19 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:If a bunch of Hindi translators are available every minute the parliament is in session why not one Telugu translapr all the time in parliament? Are you acceding to third class ciotizenship?
It's plain stupid economics. What has class of citizenship got to do with it?!!

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Post by confuzzled dude Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:52 pm

smArtha wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Jagan is not the solution for A & R as he will cater to CON interests after getting elected. Hopefully, new leaders will pop up in A & R.
Yes and also Jagan has more reasons to align with Congress than not. The way to punish Congress for their opportunistic deed is to not elect either Congress or Jagan both at State and National level. In fact, now that Telangana is a lost cause for both BJP and TDP, the SA region should negotiate with these parties thus ensuring higher guarantees for funds and development post separation.
Which parties? What kind of leverage they have? for SA region folks to negotiate with them. I thought it has been the other way around (be in 'T' or 'SA' ), politicians negotiating, actually kowtowing to the Janata.

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Post by indophile Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:16 am

Probably all of us are puuting the cart before the horse. After all who is Sonia Gandhi to grant Telangana for that matter. She is just the leader of a minority party in Parliament. In order to pass the cabinet and the parliament she needs the support of all her coalition members (which includes Communists, Mamta Banerjee and other prima donas who have to deal with their own separation demands) to get full credit for Congress and then parley that into a Rahul IOU, and that's not that easy. At least, she wouldn't take that risk before the elections next year (especially with SA boiling) because she hopes to milk Telangana with just the announcement in place before the elections, but nothing concrete. Who knows what would happen after the elections!

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