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Post by Guest Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:51 pm

Mughal kings allowed their Hindu wives to practice their religion. Further a son born to a Mughal king from a Hindu wife could be the next king.

In contrast Hindu kings could not or did not let any son born from a Muslim wife be the next king. Hindu kings were ok with keeping Muslim women as concubines but not as wives.

Who were more civilized -- Mughal kings or Hindu kings ?

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Post by Rishi Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:04 pm

Rashmun,

Who were the Hindu kings who kept Muslim women as concubines?

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Post by Guest Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:24 pm

Rishi wrote:Rashmun,

Who were the Hindu kings who kept Muslim women as concubines?
The Rajputs, Marathas, etc. the famous case is of the Maratha Peshwa Baji Rao and his Muslim concubine or wife Mastani. Wikipedia says that she was his wife but I have also come across the suggestion that she was his concubine. Now Baji Rao had a son with Mastani and wanted to bring up the son as a Hindu. The Maharashtrian Brahmins of those times threw a fit and insisted that the kid should be raised a muslim because his mother was a Muslim. And so Baji Rao's son was raised as a Muslim.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:40 pm

Rashmun wrote:Mughal kings allowed their Hindu wives to practice their religion. Further a son born to a Mughal king from a Hindu wife could be the next king.

In contrast Hindu kings could not or did not let any son born from a Muslim wife be the next king. Hindu kings were ok with keeping Muslim women as concubines but not as wives.

Who were more civilized -- Mughal kings or Hindu kings ?
Then why dont you openly come out of the closet and declare your iSlamic allegiance?

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Post by Guest Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:42 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Mughal kings allowed their Hindu wives to practice their religion. Further a son born to a Mughal king from a Hindu wife could be the next king.

In contrast Hindu kings could not or did not let any son born from a Muslim wife be the next king. Hindu kings were ok with keeping Muslim women as concubines but not as wives.

Who were more civilized -- Mughal kings or Hindu kings ?
Then why dont you openly come out of the closet and declare your iSlamic allegiance?
I am a secular Hindu. I am opposed to all communal people whether Hindu or Muslim or of some other religion.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:01 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Mughal kings allowed their Hindu wives to practice their religion. Further a son born to a Mughal king from a Hindu wife could be the next king.

In contrast Hindu kings could not or did not let any son born from a Muslim wife be the next king. Hindu kings were ok with keeping Muslim women as concubines but not as wives.

Who were more civilized -- Mughal kings or Hindu kings ?
Then why dont you openly come out of the closet and declare your iSlamic allegiance?
I am a secular Hindu. I am opposed to all communal people whether Hindu or Muslim or of some other religion.
But, you praise iSlamists 90% and criticize Hindus 90%. And, that is secularism for you.

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Post by Guest Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:12 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Mughal kings allowed their Hindu wives to practice their religion. Further a son born to a Mughal king from a Hindu wife could be the next king.

In contrast Hindu kings could not or did not let any son born from a Muslim wife be the next king. Hindu kings were ok with keeping Muslim women as concubines but not as wives.

Who were more civilized -- Mughal kings or Hindu kings ?
Then why dont you openly come out of the closet and declare your iSlamic allegiance?
I am a secular Hindu. I am opposed to all communal people whether Hindu or Muslim or of some other religion.
But, you praise iSlamists 90% and criticize Hindus 90%.  And, that is secularism for you.
Mughals were not Islamists. Akbar had come up with his own religion ( Din I Illahi) which was closer to Hinduism since it involved sun worship and fire worship. About Jahangir the British ambassador to his court wrote : "all kinds of religions are welcome and free for the king is of none". Jahangir's favorite holy man was the Hindu saint Jadrup. And Shah Jahan's favorite was not Aurangzeb but Dara Shikoh who was a scholar of the Upanisads and translated them into persian.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:05 pm

i understand you like history, but why are you so obsessed with kings and their religious allegiances? there are more interesting people who lived in ancient india -- mathematicians, musicians, men of medicine, astronomers, and metallurgists. do you have no interest in finding about any of them?
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Post by Guest Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:19 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i understand you like history, but why are you so obsessed with kings and their religious allegiances? there are more interesting people who lived in ancient india -- mathematicians, men of medicine, astronomers, and metallurgists. do you have no interest in finding about any of them?
Unfortunately we know very little  (almost nothing) about the personal lives of scientists and philosophers in India. And where there is material available it is unfortunately interwoven with nonsensical claims of supernatural powers. It has been well said that Hindus did not have an idea of history and did not produce any great historians. (The exception to this was Kalhana of Kashmir and a few other Kashmiri scholars who produced some praiseworthy history books. ) For instance there are three medieval biographies of Adi Sankaracharya. Amongst the claims in these books is the claim that he was an incarnation of Lord Shiva and that he wrote the Vedanta Bhasya--his commentary to the Brahma Sutra, widely considered his greatest work--when he was only twelve years old. Biographical material on Sankara by the rival school of Dvaita Vedanta reveals to us the information that Sankara was actually the demon Manimat reborn. Manimat is a demon who finds mention in the Mahabharata. The claim is that Manimat was trying to destroy Hinduism by teaching disguised budhism for which he is hailed by the demons as their savior. Many other derogatory claims are made about Sankara. The point is that in the pre Muslim historical books in India, fantasy and myth is freely interwoven with facts to the point that it becomes impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:50 pm

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i understand you like history, but why are you so obsessed with kings and their religious allegiances? there are more interesting people who lived in ancient india -- mathematicians, men of medicine, astronomers, and metallurgists. do you have no interest in finding about any of them?
Unfortunately we know very little  (almost nothing) about the personal lives of scientists and philosophers in India. And where there is material available it is unfortunately interwoven with nonsensical claims of supernatural powers. It has been well said that Hindus did not have an idea of history and did not produce any great historians. (The exception to this was Kalhana of Kashmir and a few other Kashmiri scholars who produced some praiseworthy history books. ) For instance there are three medieval biographies of Adi Sankaracharya. Amongst the claims in these books is the claim that he was an incarnation of Lord Shiva and that he wrote the Vedanta Bhasya--his commentary to the Brahma Sutra, widely considered his greatest work--when he was only twelve years old. Biographical material on Sankara by the rival school of Dvaita Vedanta reveals to us the information that Sankara was actually the demon Manimat reborn. Manimat is a demon who finds mention in the Mahabharata. The claim is that Manimat was trying to destroy Hinduism by teaching disguised budhism for which he is hailed by the demons as their savior. Many other derogatory claims are made about Sankara. The point is that in the pre Muslim historical books in India, fantasy and myth is freely interwoven with facts to the point that it becomes impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff
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Post by FluteHolder Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:51 pm

Smile

A simple question to Rash. Based on your knowledge of history answer the following questions in 1(lowest ) to 10 (highest).
For example: Places of worship of opposite faith were demolished/looted   /   2     / 10 Smile


Qstn-------------------------------------------------- Hindu Kings ----------Islamic/Mogul Kings
1. More no of men/women/children killed (opp Faith)

2. Places of worship demolished/looted 

3. Tax on non-believers          

4. Forced Conversions to their faith (rulers)

5. (feel free to add anymore) Smile

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Post by Guest Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:57 pm

FluteHolder wrote:Smile

A simple question to Rash. Based on your knowledge of history answer the following questions in 1(lowest ) to 10 (highest).
For example: Places of worship of opposite faith were demolished/looted   /   2     / 10 Smile


Qstn-------------------------------------------------- Hindu Kings ----------Islamic/Mogul Kings
1. More no of men/women/children killed (opp Faith)

2. Places of worship demolished/looted 

3. Tax on non-believers          

4. Forced Conversions to their faith (rulers)

5. (feel free to add anymore) Smile
The early Muslim kings like Ghori, Ghaznavi, Timur, etc. were looters. It should be remembered that they were plundering indiscriminately in the sense that prior to Timur's conquest and destruction of Delhi, he had carried out a similar plunder of Baghdad. So he was really a looter--just as happy to loot from Hindus as from Muslims.

The later Muslim kings like the Mughals were protectors of Hindus. That is why major hindu religious works like the RamCharitManas of Tulsidas were composed during Mughal rule.

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Post by harharmahadev Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:27 pm

Rashmun wrote:Mughal kings allowed their Hindu wives to practice their religion. Further a son born to a Mughal king from a Hindu wife could be the next king.

In contrast Hindu kings could not or did not let any son born from a Muslim wife be the next king. Hindu kings were ok with keeping Muslim women as concubines but not as wives.

Who were more civilized -- Mughal kings or Hindu kings ?
In all fairness, Hindu women make good wives and Muslim women make good concubines.

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