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Post by SomeProfile Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:31 pm

Check this excellent article about Pakistan's attitude towards India: For Pakistan, defeat is that moment when it can no longer resist India

While reading this article, remember this - India : Pakistan :: Hindu : Muslim. Essentially, the Muslims think of and relate to the Hindus in India, in the same way that Pakistan thinks of and relates to India. THEN, you will understand the true nature of the Hindu-Muslim challenge in India.

Incidentally, the author of that article is a female American academic. She is very pragmatic and straightforward in her description of the issue. None of the hypocrisy, blinders, prejudices, sentimental aman ka tamasha, pure idiocy and unadulterated chutiya-giri of the Indian/Hindu sickulars on this forum and elsewhere.

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Post by Propagandhi711 Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:41 pm

SomeProfile wrote:Check this excellent article about Pakistan's attitude towards India: For Pakistan, defeat is that moment when it can no longer resist India

While reading this article, remember this - India : Pakistan :: Hindu : Muslim. Essentially, the Muslims think of and relate to the Hindus in India, in the same way that Pakistan thinks of and relates to India. THEN, you will understand the true nature of the Hindu-Muslim challenge in India.

Incidentally, the author of that article is a female American academic. She is very pragmatic and straightforward in her description of the issue. None of the hypocrisy, blinders, prejudices, sentimental aman ka tamasha, pure idiocy and unadulterated chutiya-giri of the Indian/Hindu sickulars on this forum and elsewhere.

right on. she was on c-span2 few weeks ago talking up her book.

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Post by SomeProfile Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:43 pm

Some choice quotes which can be directly applied to the Hindu-Muslim situation:

It's surprising just how much jihad and Islam is actually in their publications. If the US army or India were to do this, it would be so controversial. What Pakistan is trying to do is use jihad to mobilize and to boost the morale of their troops so they are on perpetual war footing with India.

It's kind of demoralizing if you think you can't actually win against India. So the use of jihad is a way to make it seem as if everything the Pakistan army does is Islamically justified. For example, they say India started every war. Therefore they describe their response to these wars as defence of jihad.
Remember confused douche's justification of the Muslim bad behavior as being a response to Babri Masjid? Same logic.

Pakistan is actually an ideological state. The Kashmir issue is not causal, it's symptomatic.
Similar, the Hindu-Muslim tiff is an ideological tiff between a philosophy of inclusion and acceptance of differences vs a philosophy of exclusivity and virulent opposition to anything different. So, most of the issues which we think are causal, are actually a symptom of this ideological war.

Pakistan is not a security seeking state in which we can satisfy their insecurities. Instead it's an ideological state.
Islam is an ideological religion. There is nothing that India/Hindus can give them which will satisfy them. The one and only thing that will satisfy them is the complete conversion of India to be part of an Islamic caliphate and all Indian citizens to Islam.

That's why they keep taking calculated risks, knowing well they are never going to achieve the outcome. The goal is simply to exhibit to India that India cannot exert its will in the neighbourhood. If there were to be any kind of negotiation on Kashmir that gives up any inch of territory, it's not going to fix the situation.
Every single neighborhood-level, town/city-level communal incidents with Muslims explained here. The confrontational Muslims' main focus is to assert that Hindus (or Sikhs or Buddhists or Jains) cannot exert their will in the neighborhood / town / city. Even if it is to celebrate their own festivals and distribute sweets. Any kind of negotiation and compromise by the Hindus will not buy peace. There will always be mischief and skirmishes in perpetuity.

Will America give in?
I think they will. The irony is this: the Americans will help them kill as many terrorists as they will let them. But the Americans won't make them stop producing more terrorists. They (Pakistanis) have taken $30 billion from us, they still kill our troops and we still pay the cheques. Osama bin Laden was in Abbottabad and still the cheques are coming.
Sickulars want to deal with violent Muslims the same way that America deals with Pakistan... by trying to buy peace from right side, while the Muslims continue to break that peace from the left side.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:28 pm

she doesn't mention the most important way in which america promotes terrorism -- by having a cozy relationship with saudi arabia the primary sponsor of wahabbi terrorism.
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Post by confuzzled dude Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:37 pm

SomeProfile wrote:Check this excellent article about Pakistan's attitude towards India: For Pakistan, defeat is that moment when it can no longer resist India

While reading this article, remember this - India : Pakistan :: Hindu : Muslim. Essentially, the Muslims think of and relate to the Hindus in India, in the same way that Pakistan thinks of and relates to India. THEN, you will understand the true nature of the Hindu-Muslim challenge in India.

Incidentally, the author of that article is a female American academic. She is very pragmatic and straightforward in her description of the issue. None of the hypocrisy, blinders, prejudices, sentimental aman ka tamasha, pure idiocy and unadulterated chutiya-giri of the Indian/Hindu sickulars on this forum and elsewhere.
As far as I know, no SuCHer supports ISI or Pak Army, so that leaves only one Chutiaya on this forum; no prizes for guessing who that is. I will talk to you when you grow some balls and post the same in your regular handle.

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Post by confuzzled dude Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:47 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:she doesn't mention the most important way in which america promotes terrorism -- by having a cozy relationship with saudi arabia the primary sponsor of wahabbi terrorism.
let alone providing militants with arms and training them.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:18 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
SomeProfile wrote:Check this excellent article about Pakistan's attitude towards India: For Pakistan, defeat is that moment when it can no longer resist India

While reading this article, remember this - India : Pakistan :: Hindu : Muslim. Essentially, the Muslims think of and relate to the Hindus in India, in the same way that Pakistan thinks of and relates to India. THEN, you will understand the true nature of the Hindu-Muslim challenge in India.

Incidentally, the author of that article is a female American academic. She is very pragmatic and straightforward in her description of the issue. None of the hypocrisy, blinders, prejudices, sentimental aman ka tamasha, pure idiocy and unadulterated chutiya-giri of the Indian/Hindu sickulars on this forum and elsewhere.
As far as I know, no SuCHer supports ISI or Pak Army, so that leaves only one Chutiaya on this forum; no prizes for guessing who that is. I will talk to you when you grow some balls and post the same in your regular handle.

those were my thoughts too. total red herring. even the most lefty JNU jhola bag carrying commie indian is not going to be in support of the pak army or the ISI, so not quite sure what the reason behind this latest tantrum is.
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:25 pm

also pakistan equating india to hindu is not particularly revealing, is it? i thought that was the raisin d'être of their country, something we learned in seventh grade history or something.
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Post by SomeProfile Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:07 pm

It's interesting to see who comes out getting all butthurt and defensive when you mention the "hypocrisy, blinders, prejudices, sentimental aman ka tamasha, pure idiocy and unadulterated chutiya-giri of the Indian/Hindu sickulars on this forum and elsewhere." Guilty consciousness much?  Very Happy

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Post by SomeProfile Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:09 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
SomeProfile wrote:Check this excellent article about Pakistan's attitude towards India: For Pakistan, defeat is that moment when it can no longer resist India

While reading this article, remember this - India : Pakistan :: Hindu : Muslim. Essentially, the Muslims think of and relate to the Hindus in India, in the same way that Pakistan thinks of and relates to India. THEN, you will understand the true nature of the Hindu-Muslim challenge in India.

Incidentally, the author of that article is a female American academic. She is very pragmatic and straightforward in her description of the issue. None of the hypocrisy, blinders, prejudices, sentimental aman ka tamasha, pure idiocy and unadulterated chutiya-giri of the Indian/Hindu sickulars on this forum and elsewhere.
As far as I know, no SuCHer supports ISI or Pak Army, so that leaves only one Chutiaya on this forum; no prizes for guessing who that is. I will talk to you when you grow some balls and post the same in your regular handle.

those were my thoughts too. total red herring. even the most lefty JNU jhola bag carrying commie indian is not going to be in support of the pak army or the ISI, so not quite sure what the reason behind this latest tantrum is.

No idea where this is coming from. I did not say or even imply indirectly that anyone is supporting the Pak army or the ISI! Is this what is called as building a strawman and then fighting him?

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Post by SomeProfile Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:11 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:also pakistan equating india to hindu is not particularly revealing, is it? i thought that was the raisin d'être of their country, something we learned in seventh grade history or something.

Way to miss the point. The important point being made here is not that Pakistan is equating India and Indians to Hindu. The point being made is to equate Indian Muslims' ideology and attitude towards the Indian Hindus to that of Pakistan's attitude towards India!

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