Secularists vs Hindutva Chaddiwalahs: Basic Structure doctrine of Indian constitution will prevent Chaddiwalahs from converting India to a Hindu Rashtra

by Guest Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:07 am

http://www.outlookindia.com/article/The-Quest-And-The-Questions/291655

by Seva Lamberdar Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:14 am

Indian "secularists" like to continue the use of religious laws in the country and that's why they are called secularists.

Conversely, the Chaddhiwalas want to scrap all the religious laws in the country currently and instead implement a uniform civil code or the UCC (one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and that is the reason Chaddhiwalas are called (Hindutva) non-secularists.

I hope this clarifies the things about secularists and chaddhiwalas in India.

by Guest Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:18 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Indian "secularists" like to continue the use of religious laws in the country and that's why they are called secularists.

Conversely, the Chaddhiwalas want to scrap all the religious laws in the country currently and instead implement a uniform civil code or the UCC (one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and that is the reason Chaddhiwalas are called (Hindutva) non-secularists.

I hope this clarifies the things about secularists and chaddhiwalas in India.

Gujarat’s apostasy law: it might come as a surprise that India has an apostasy law, but in 2003, a time of great communal polarisation, the Gujarat legislature passed the Freedom of Religion Act, a wonderfully Orwellian name for a law that restricts religious freedom. The act made it mandatory for a person converting to another religion to take permission from the district magistrate first. Only if the district magistrate is convinced that the convert has undergone a true religious transformation is the change allowed. That an ostensibly secular state sits in judgment of whether a person’s religious choice is true or fraudulent might have been funny, if it wasn’t for the four-year jail sentence the law carries.

Gujarat’s Disturbed Areas Act: In Gujarat it is illegal for Hindus and Muslims to enter into a property transaction unless it has the permission of the government. As of 2013, 40% of Ahmedabad was notified under the act. While religious ghettoisation is a fact in most Indian cities, this legislation makes it official government policy.

Religion-based reservations: A Presidential Order dating back to 1950 makes all non-Hindu Dalits ineligible for Scheduled Caste reservations, saying only Hindu Dalits can avail of reservations in government jobs, higher education and legislative bodies. This was amended to include Sikh Dalits in 1956 and Buddhist Dalits in 1990, but it has still not been extended to the other religious groups. This also means that Christian and Muslim Dalits are not protected against anti-Scheduled Caste atrocity legislation.

Tax breaks on the basis of religion: A well-known yet oddly uncontroversial measure, the Hindu Undivided Family provides, in the words of T Ramanujam, “almost a perfect medium for tax avoidance”. It is open only to Hindus, Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists.

http://scroll.in/article/666262/BJP's-rhetoric-on-Uniform-Code-undermined-by-its-silence-on-laws-favouring-majority

by Guest Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:24 pm

Rashmun wrote:Religion-based reservations: A Presidential Order dating back to 1950 makes all non-Hindu Dalits ineligible for Scheduled Caste reservations, saying only Hindu Dalits can avail of reservations in government jobs, higher education and legislative bodies. This was amended to include Sikh Dalits in 1956 and Buddhist Dalits in 1990, but it has still not been extended to the other religious groups. This also means that Christian and Muslim Dalits are not protected against anti-Scheduled Caste atrocity legislation.

Tax breaks on the basis of religion: A well-known yet oddly uncontroversial measure, the Hindu Undivided Family provides, in the words of T Ramanujam, “almost a perfect medium for tax avoidance”. It is open only to Hindus, Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists.

http://scroll.in/article/666262/BJP's-rhetoric-on-Uniform-Code-undermined-by-its-silence-on-laws-favouring-majority

What are they talking about? Islam and Christianity have no caste system, no? Don't they and other 'secularists' constantly throw mud at the Hindus for their caste system?

by SomeProfile Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:57 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:Indian "secularists" like to continue the use of religious laws in the country and that's why they are called secularists.

Conversely, the Chaddhiwalas want to scrap all the religious laws in the country currently and instead implement a uniform civil code or the UCC (one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and that is the reason Chaddhiwalas are called (Hindutva) non-secularists.

I hope this clarifies the things about secularists and chaddhiwalas in India.

Gujarat’s apostasy law: it might come as a surprise that India has an apostasy law, but in 2003, a time of great communal polarisation, the Gujarat legislature passed the Freedom of Religion Act, a wonderfully Orwellian name for a law that restricts religious freedom. The act made it mandatory for a person converting to another religion to take permission from the district magistrate first. Only if the district magistrate is convinced that the convert has undergone a true religious transformation is the change allowed. That an ostensibly secular state sits in judgment of whether a person’s religious choice is true or fraudulent might have been funny, if it wasn’t for the four-year jail sentence the law carries.

Gujarat’s Disturbed Areas Act: In Gujarat it is illegal for Hindus and Muslims to enter into a property transaction unless it has the permission of the government. As of 2013, 40% of Ahmedabad was notified under the act. While religious ghettoisation is a fact in most Indian cities, this legislation makes it official government policy.

Religion-based reservations: A Presidential Order dating back to 1950 makes all non-Hindu Dalits ineligible for Scheduled Caste reservations, saying only Hindu Dalits can avail of reservations in government jobs, higher education and legislative bodies. This was amended to include Sikh Dalits in 1956 and Buddhist Dalits in 1990, but it has still not been extended to the other religious groups. This also means that Christian and Muslim Dalits are not protected against anti-Scheduled Caste atrocity legislation.

Tax breaks on the basis of religion: A well-known yet oddly uncontroversial measure, the Hindu Undivided Family provides, in the words of T Ramanujam, “almost a perfect medium for tax avoidance”. It is open only to Hindus, Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists.

http://scroll.in/article/666262/BJP's-rhetoric-on-Uniform-Code-undermined-by-its-silence-on-laws-favouring-majority

Gujarat's freedom of religion law protects the freedom of religion of the individual and curbs the freedom to convert of unscrupulous organizations. As the law is written and enforced, if a person truly wants to convert to another religion, there are absolutely no restrictions to it. Such a law should be enforced nationwide.

Gujarat's law limiting property transaction between Hindus and Muslims in Ahmedabad is one of those stupid things Congress did. It was a law passed by the Congress to restrict religious violence due to Hindus owning property and living in Muslim areas and vice versa. The law is from a time long before Modi when Ahmedabad saw frequent communal riots, and entering the Muslim part of the city didn't guarantee that a Hindu would return safely. Fortunately, Modi put an end to the communal violence in Gujarat, but the law remains on the books.

When Dalits convert to Islam or Christianity, they do so with the hope that they will no longer be Dalits or the lower castes. So, when they convert over, they lose the lower caste status and the associated reservations. Makes perfect sense.

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