Turkey refuses to endorse US strategy against IS

rawemotions wrote:http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2014/09/13/turkey-draws-red-line-on-us-isil-strategy/

Kris wrote:

rawemotions wrote:http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2014/09/13/turkey-draws-red-line-on-us-isil-strategy/

>>>Good recap. Turkey is not going to jump into this if the boots on the ground are mainly or solely Turkish. The Saudi Arabian/ Qatar ground combat forces idea is wishful thinking at best. They will neither have the numbers nor the willingness. If "European" Turkey has reservations about pitting muslim vs. muslim, no prizes for guessing where the Saudis and Qatarians stand on engaging in this battle at the behest of infidels (CD, take note!). Obama has to get the maximum ROI with air attacks. Rendering ISIL impotent should be the limit of any objective and get the hell out after that.

truthbetold wrote:raw,

USA's coalition of willing may end up as english speaking non arab countries willing to bomb coalition.  I am not sure where they are going to find boots if they themselves are not going take the risk.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

truthbetold wrote:raw,

USA's coalition of willing may end up as english speaking non arab countries willing to bomb coalition.  I am not sure where they are going to find boots if they themselves are not going take the risk.

Mr Armchair Warrior, why do you think Turkey, on whose borders all this is playing out, wants out? Maybe, just maybe, they know something you blunderbusses don't - and don't want to learn??

Hellsangel wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

truthbetold wrote:raw,

USA's coalition of willing may end up as english speaking non arab countries willing to bomb coalition.  I am not sure where they are going to find boots if they themselves are not going take the risk.

Mr Armchair Warrior, why do you think Turkey, on whose borders all this is playing out, wants out? Maybe, just maybe, they know something you blunderbusses don't - and don't want to learn??

Turkey has a bunch of diplomats held hostage by ISIS.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

truthbetold wrote:raw,

USA's coalition of willing may end up as english speaking non arab countries willing to bomb coalition.  I am not sure where they are going to find boots if they themselves are not going take the risk.

Mr Armchair Warrior, why do you think Turkey, on whose borders all this is playing out, wants out? Maybe, just maybe, they know something you blunderbusses don't - and don't want to learn??

Turkey has a bunch of diplomats held hostage by ISIS.

Right. As insurance perhaps.

Kris wrote:

rawemotions wrote:http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2014/09/13/turkey-draws-red-line-on-us-isil-strategy/

>>>Good recap. Turkey is not going to jump into this if the boots on the ground are mainly or solely Turkish. The Saudi Arabian/ Qatar ground combat forces idea is wishful thinking at best. They will neither have the numbers nor the willingness. If "European" Turkey has reservations about pitting muslim vs. muslim, no prizes for guessing where the Saudis and Qatarians stand on engaging in this battle at the behest of infidels (CD, take note!). Obama has to get the maximum ROI with air attacks. Rendering ISIL impotent should be the limit of any objective and get the hell out after that.

Kris wrote:

rawemotions wrote:http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2014/09/13/turkey-draws-red-line-on-us-isil-strategy/

>>>Good recap. Turkey is not going to jump into this if the boots on the ground are mainly or solely Turkish. The Saudi Arabian/ Qatar ground combat forces idea is wishful thinking at best. They will neither have the numbers nor the willingness. If "European" Turkey has reservations about pitting muslim vs. muslim, no prizes for guessing where the Saudis and Qatarians stand on engaging in this battle at the behest of infidels (CD, take note!). Obama has to get the maximum ROI with air attacks. Rendering ISIL impotent should be the limit of any objective and get the hell out after that.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:there is a crude saying in tamil that i am sure kris and other tamilians have surely heard: "nAyai addipAnEn, pIyai somappAnEn?". rough translation: why beat the dog, and why now carry its poop?

FluteHolder wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:there is a crude saying in tamil that i am sure kris and other tamilians have surely heard: "nAyai addipAnEn, pIyai somappAnEn?". rough translation: why beat the dog, and why now carry its poop?

But if a mad dog/s is running around biting everyone for long and if no one tries to control/treat the dog/s, some one with guts/power will have to do the dirty job. Not everyone will sit idle and wait for someone to tie the bell to the cat.

Kris wrote:

FluteHolder wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:there is a crude saying in tamil that i am sure kris and other tamilians have surely heard: "nAyai addipAnEn, pIyai somappAnEn?". rough translation: why beat the dog, and why now carry its poop?

But if a mad dog/s is running around biting everyone for long and if no one tries to control/treat the dog/s, some one with guts/power will have to do the dirty job. Not everyone will sit idle and wait for someone to tie the bell to the cat.

>>> Worse yet, the dog bites other dogs and makes them rabid and all of a sudden you have a pack. This is not going to easy.

Kris wrote:

FluteHolder wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:there is a crude saying in tamil that i am sure kris and other tamilians have surely heard: "nAyai addipAnEn, pIyai somappAnEn?". rough translation: why beat the dog, and why now carry its poop?

But if a mad dog/s is running around biting everyone for long and if no one tries to control/treat the dog/s, some one with guts/power will have to do the dirty job. Not everyone will sit idle and wait for someone to tie the bell to the cat.

>>> Worse yet, the dog bites other dogs and makes them rabid and all of a sudden you have a pack. This is not going to easy.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

FluteHolder wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:there is a crude saying in tamil that i am sure kris and other tamilians have surely heard: "nAyai addipAnEn, pIyai somappAnEn?". rough translation: why beat the dog, and why now carry its poop?

But if a mad dog/s is running around biting everyone for long and if no one tries to control/treat the dog/s, some one with guts/power will have to do the dirty job. Not everyone will sit idle and wait for someone to tie the bell to the cat.

>>> Worse yet, the dog bites other dogs and makes them rabid and all of a sudden you have a pack. This is not going to easy.

One small issue though those dogs are in a far far away place not sure it is worth an effort trying to treat them as they're going kill each other.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

FluteHolder wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:there is a crude saying in tamil that i am sure kris and other tamilians have surely heard: "nAyai addipAnEn, pIyai somappAnEn?". rough translation: why beat the dog, and why now carry its poop?

But if a mad dog/s is running around biting everyone for long and if no one tries to control/treat the dog/s, some one with guts/power will have to do the dirty job. Not everyone will sit idle and wait for someone to tie the bell to the cat.

>>> Worse yet, the dog bites other dogs and makes them rabid and all of a sudden you have a pack. This is not going to easy.

One small issue though those dogs are in a far far away place not sure it is worth an effort trying to treat them as they're going kill each other.

truthbetold wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

FluteHolder wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:there is a crude saying in tamil that i am sure kris and other tamilians have surely heard: "nAyai addipAnEn, pIyai somappAnEn?". rough translation: why beat the dog, and why now carry its poop?

But if a mad dog/s is running around biting everyone for long and if no one tries to control/treat the dog/s, some one with guts/power will have to do the dirty job. Not everyone will sit idle and wait for someone to tie the bell to the cat.

>>> Worse yet, the dog bites other dogs and makes them rabid and all of a sudden you have a pack. This is not going to easy.

One small issue though those dogs are in a far far away place not sure it is worth an effort trying to treat them as they're going kill each other.

Last time they were left alone,  what happened? 9/11 happened. Some of them are in our backyard.  london subway bombing, and nov 26 happened.  They are interconnected.  So you need to stay ahead of the game.

Hellsangel wrote:After all of our Comrade's whining:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29455204

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:After all of our Comrade's whining:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29455204

Good they finally came around, would like to see other muslim majority countries follow Turkey's lead and hope this puts a lid on, albeit temporarily, our rightwing talking heads non-stop whining. I guess another addition to Obama's legacy.

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:After all of our Comrade's whining:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29455204

Good they finally came around, would like to see other muslim majority countries follow Turkey's lead and hope this puts a lid on, albeit temporarily, our rightwing talking heads non-stop whining. I guess another addition to Obama's legacy.

Right, Comrade! This is all Obama's legacy. The fact that their territory in Syria is under siege by the ISIS and the influx of refugees has nothing to do with it.

And you must be really selectively blind to miss the fact that the UAE Air Force has been bombing the ISIS in Syria.

PS: Too bad, all your whining on this thread was lost to a forumotion bug and can't be quoted back at you.

Well it is self-inflicted, we jumped the gun and said US is facing threat and made it our issue    and they are taking advantage of it

I guess another addition to Obama's legacy.

Hellsangel wrote:You are a riot, Comrade. Here you said:

Well it is self-inflicted, we jumped the gun and said US is facing threat and made it our issue    and they are taking advantage of it

And now you say:

I guess another addition to Obama's legacy.

So any negative news is the US's loss, but any positive news is Obama's win.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:You are a riot, Comrade. Here you said:

Well it is self-inflicted, we jumped the gun and said US is facing threat and made it our issue    and they are taking advantage of it

And now you say:

I guess another addition to Obama's legacy.

So any negative news is the US's loss, but any positive news is Obama's win.

I did give credit to Turkey for taking the lead, didn't I?

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
I did give credit to Turkey for taking the lead, didn't I?

Taking the lead? Selective blindness again? Or reading comprehension issues? Did you not read my comment above about the UAE?

I was talking about ground troops, that has been the talking point of Fox news. OK not legacy but one of those rare positives of Obama regime, happy!

confuzzled dude wrote:
Did you miss my previous post, where I said:

I was talking about ground troops, that has been the talking point of Fox news. OK not legacy but one of those rare positives of Obama regime, happy!

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
Did you miss my previous post, where I said:

I was talking about ground troops, that has been the talking point of Fox news. OK not legacy but one of those rare positives of Obama regime, happy!

Comrade, jumping to conclusions is your favorite exercise for your mind, isn't it?

Where in the news article did they say that Turkey was committing to ground troops?

Action on the Turkish resolution will not, however, happen quickly.

"Don't expect any immediate steps,” Turkish Defence Minister Ismet Yilmaz told The Associated Press.