Rakshabandhan Trouble

by Rekz Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:42 am

This friend of mine came home with a rakhi to tie it on my hubby, after completing the ritual we all went to drop her back home. On the way she asks me if i want to tie rakhi to her hubby.

As much as i like chennai & chennaites...have always failed to understand why people here want to follow rakshabandhan and want to tie rakhi like f'ship band thou it's not part of their culture Rolling Eyes

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:50 am

oh god what have you done now! we'll never hear
the end of this from the national integrator now.

by garam_kuta Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:52 am

Rekz wrote:This friend of mine came home with a rakhi to tie it on my hubby, after completing the ritual we all went to drop her back home. On the way she asks me if i want to tie rakhi to her hubby.

As much as i like chennai & chennaites...have always failed to understand why people here want to follow rakshabandhan and want to tie rakhi like f'ship band thou it's not part of their culture

aside: did you get a chance to see my note that I had sent, Rekz? thanks

by Rekz Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:54 am

Garam Kuta pls change ur handle name for god sake....

I did see it and replied to it promptly yaar...pls check

by Rekz Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:59 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:oh god what have you done now! we'll never hear
the end of this from the national integrator now.

Seriously,I did not see this guy as my rakhi bhaiya or even saiyyan...thevve illama oru rakhi anna...yaaru ketta ippo:pale:

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:08 pm

rekzu, how did you obtain the code (the :--: thing) for each emoticon? i'm better with words and i want to just type the emoticon instead of having to select it from a confusing list.

also, please start taking pics. of foods you eat.

by Rekz Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:25 pm

HK- When i see food on table, all i do is aaakramannn ...will try to click pics *sweet smile*

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:26 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:oh god what have you done now! we'll never hear
the end of this from the national integrator now.

You mean the anti-casteist and anti-regionalist Maulana claiming to be a UP Brahmin.

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:25 pm

Rekz wrote:
As much as i like chennai & chennaites...have always failed to understand why people here want to follow rakshabandhan and want to tie rakhi like f'ship band thou it's not part of their culture

It's not? This is news to me. I thought it's celebrated throughout the country.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:32 pm

kinnera wrote:
Rekz wrote:
As much as i like chennai & chennaites...have always failed to understand why people here want to follow rakshabandhan and want to tie rakhi like f'ship band thou it's not part of their culture

It's not? This is news to me. I thought it's celebrated throughout the country.

yet another false belief spread by Hindian hegemony.

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:42 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
kinnera wrote:
Rekz wrote:
As much as i like chennai & chennaites...have always failed to understand why people here want to follow rakshabandhan and want to tie rakhi like f'ship band thou it's not part of their culture

It's not? This is news to me. I thought it's celebrated throughout the country.

yet another false belief spread by Hindian hegemony.

In areas of Madhya Pradesh, Bihar, Chattisgarh and Jharkhand Raksha
Bandhan is called by the name of Kajari Purnima or Shravani. Here Raksha
Bandhan is an important day for farmers. In the southern parts of India
in places like Kerala, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and parts of Orissa
Rakhi Purnima is called Avani Avittam. It marks an important day for the
Brahmins. The day is called Upakarmam by the Brahmins. They change
their holy threads on this day. In the Western Ghats side that includes
the states of Gujarat, Maharashtra, Goa and Karnataka Rakshabandhan
signifies the beginning of a new season for those dependent on sea. It
is called Nariyal Purnima or coconut full moon in these areas. In
Gujarat rakhi day is celebrated as Pavitropana the day, which marks the
worship of Lord Shiva.
http://www.articlesbase.com/gifts-articles/rakhi-celebrations-in-different-cities-of-india-1021865.html

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:49 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
kinnera wrote:
Rekz wrote:
As much as i like chennai & chennaites...have always failed to understand why people here want to follow rakshabandhan and want to tie rakhi like f'ship band thou it's not part of their culture

It's not? This is news to me. I thought it's celebrated throughout the country.

yet another false belief spread by Hindian hegemony.

http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/religions/raksha.htm/

by garam_kuta Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:08 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
kinnera wrote:
Rekz wrote:
As much as i like chennai & chennaites...have always failed to understand why people here want to follow rakshabandhan and want to tie rakhi like f'ship band thou it's not part of their culture

It's not? This is news to me. I thought it's celebrated throughout the country.

yet another false belief spread by Hindian hegemony.

http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/religions/raksha.htm/

rekz seems to be right. looks like SIs change only their own lasso but do not lasso others Wink

by Hellsangel Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:49 pm

Dear Chennaikar, Rakhi was born out of necessity from the Islamic invasion of India. The Rajputs wanted to keep their women safe from the marauders. Before that all women were fair game.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:25 pm

in all my sixteen years of living in TN as a tamilian, i have not once across a tamilian
girl or woman tying a gaudy colorful ornament on her brother's wrist.

so none of the actual experience of the tamilians on this
board and their claims that rakhi/raksha bhandan is NOT celebrated in TN
(by which i mean the specific act of sisters tying a rakhi on their brothers' hands) counts.
what counts is some obscure website claiming that raksha bhandan is the same
thing as avani avittam.

nobody is claiming that raksha bhandan is not celebrated at or about the same time as
avani avittam. co-occurrence does not mean that they are the same thing. for
example the korean liberation day happens to fall on august 15th, but nobody
in their right mind would say that the day has the same significance for indians
and koreans.

rekz is at least partially tamilian she says that raksha bhandan is not
native to tamilians. uppili says so and i say so. so all three
of us must be lying and swami sivananda must be speaking the truth.

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:39 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:in all my sixteen years of living in TN as a tamilian, i have not once across a tamilian
girl or woman tying a gaudy colorful ornament on her brother's wrist.

so none of the actual experience of the tamilians on this
board and their claims that rakhi/raksha bhandan is NOT celebrated in TN
(by which i mean the specific act of sisters tying a rakhi on their brothers' hands) counts.
what counts is some obscure website claiming that raksha bhandan is the same
thing as avani avittam.

nobody is claiming that raksha bhandan is not celebrated at or about the same time as
avani avittam. co-occurrence does not mean that they are the same thing. for
example the korean liberation day happens to fall on august 15th, but nobody
in their right mind would say that the day has the same significance for indians
and koreans.

rekz is at least partially tamilian she says that raksha bhandan is not
native to tamilians. uppili says so and i say so. so all three
of us must be lying and swami sivananda must be speaking the truth.

--> i would just like to mention that Sivananda was also a tamilian:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sivananda_Saraswati

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:46 pm

Max, you don't have to look down upon anything NI. You may not celebrate rakhi, but please refrain from calling it a gaudy colorful ornament. It's one thing to make fun of our colorful clothes, it's another thing to make fun of something sacred like rakhi. Tolerance for cultures got to be a mutual process here. TIA.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:50 pm

Rashmun wrote:
--> i would just like to mention that Sivananda was also a tamilian:

i would just like to mention that sivananda is a swami whose
stock goes up in proportion to the number of devotees he
gathers. it is definitely in his interest to do the national integration
thing and gather southern indian and northindian followers.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:50 pm

i didn't think you were so sensitive tracy. after all
i have seen you give back as good as you get.

in any case, gaudy is a value judgment, but do you
deny that it is colorful?

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:18 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i didn't think you were so sensitive tracy. after all
i have seen you give back as good as you get.

It's not about being sensitive. It's about pointing out not to paint with a big wide brush. If I have made fun of a SI stereotype, it's either coz of ignorance, or for some obvious running joke on CH.

in any case, gaudy is a value judgment, but do you
deny that it is colorful?

No, I don't deny it's colorful. Color is the main essense of e'thing Indian. Even you can't deny that. Kashmir to Kanyakumari, show me where any main occasion lack colors. I won't even deny that in many cases and as per choices of many, some rakhis are gaudy, some are very classy, some are handmade, and some are even made of expensive threads and stones. In a way this variety is what makes it something interesting. Some friends I know love the huge dial kind. My brother likes the smallest tiniest thread possible. My SIL loves the ethnic versions. My nephew wants a soft one. Sometimes I like to send them the sandalwook ones.

Point is, just saying you don't celebrate it would have sufficed. You don't need to add that 'thank god we don't celebrate such a gaudy custom'. Cause there are many here who do.

Besides, what Reks friend is doing is also wrong. Turning rakhi into a friendship band. Yes, do feel free to scoff at that. I am scoffing too.

by charvaka Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:27 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:for
example the korean liberation day happens to fall on august 15th, but nobody
in their right mind would say that the day has the same significance for indians
and koreans.

Could it be possible that Korea was once a part of India, and that is why they celebrate independence at the same time? Also, it should be noted that like there is northindia and southern India, there is North Korea and South Korea. Could it possible that there is an Indian-Korean synthesis angle to this whole thing that you are missing out? I shall google now for links to prove this synthesis. But in the meanwhile, let me point out that the Korean word for tea is cha and the Hindi word for tea is chai, and the Telangana Telugu word for it is cha. This alone establishes the need for a tea-based link language between India and Korea.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:33 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
kinnera wrote:
Rekz wrote:
As much as i like chennai & chennaites...have always failed to understand why people here want to follow rakshabandhan and want to tie rakhi like f'ship band thou it's not part of their culture

It's not? This is news to me. I thought it's celebrated throughout the country.

yet another false belief spread by Hindian hegemony.

In areas of Madhya Pradesh, Bihar, Chattisgarh and Jharkhand Raksha
Bandhan is called by the name of Kajari Purnima or Shravani. Here Raksha
Bandhan is an important day for farmers. In the southern parts of India
in places like Kerala, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and parts of Orissa
Rakhi Purnima is called Avani Avittam. It marks an important day for the
Brahmins. The day is called Upakarmam by the Brahmins. They change
their holy threads on this day. In the Western Ghats side that includes
the states of Gujarat, Maharashtra, Goa and Karnataka Rakshabandhan
signifies the beginning of a new season for those dependent on sea. It
is called Nariyal Purnima or coconut full moon in these areas. In
Gujarat rakhi day is celebrated as Pavitropana the day, which marks the
worship of Lord Shiva.
http://www.articlesbase.com/gifts-articles/rakhi-celebrations-in-different-cities-of-india-1021865.html

What a load of bull.. You did not even read what you posted in bold. Did you ? really ?

The passage itself reflects the importance of the day to different people in their own DIFFERENT ways. Does not mean every body is celebrating it as Raksha Bandhan or all these festivals are one and the same. what next ? Ramadhan and Ganesh Chathurti are one and the same?

And you call yourself a Brahmin....Shame on you....drop your act and behave (at least) like a good Maulana.

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:23 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
kinnera wrote:
Rekz wrote:
As much as i like chennai & chennaites...have always failed to understand why people here want to follow rakshabandhan and want to tie rakhi like f'ship band thou it's not part of their culture

It's not? This is news to me. I thought it's celebrated throughout the country.

yet another false belief spread by Hindian hegemony.

In areas of Madhya Pradesh, Bihar, Chattisgarh and Jharkhand Raksha
Bandhan is called by the name of Kajari Purnima or Shravani. Here Raksha
Bandhan is an important day for farmers. In the southern parts of India
in places like Kerala, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and parts of Orissa
Rakhi Purnima is called Avani Avittam. It marks an important day for the
Brahmins. The day is called Upakarmam by the Brahmins. They change
their holy threads on this day. In the Western Ghats side that includes
the states of Gujarat, Maharashtra, Goa and Karnataka Rakshabandhan
signifies the beginning of a new season for those dependent on sea. It
is called Nariyal Purnima or coconut full moon in these areas. In
Gujarat rakhi day is celebrated as Pavitropana the day, which marks the
worship of Lord Shiva.
http://www.articlesbase.com/gifts-articles/rakhi-celebrations-in-different-cities-of-india-1021865.html

What a load of bull.. You did not even read what you posted in bold. Did you ? really ?

The passage itself reflects the importance of the day to different people in their own DIFFERENT ways. Does not mean every body is celebrating it as Raksha Bandhan or all these festivals are one and the same. what next ? Ramadhan and Ganesh Chathurti are one and the same?

And you call yourself a Brahmin....Shame on you....drop your act and behave (at least) like a good Maulana.

Uppili Ettapa, i have highlighted the relevant words in red for your convenience.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:51 pm

O' thou UP brahmin:

If Raksha Bandhan is Avani Avittam, how come the Brahmin men don't tie Rakhis around their "Sisters' hands" as part of the festival and instead wear a new thread around their body. The DKheads also will be enormously happy if the brahmins celebrated it in Rakhi fashion instead of the Brahminical fashion.

Pliss to explain....Now dont do a Rashmun method and put the blame on Sivananda. Use your own Brain - or what is left of it - and give your OWN explanation.

Just TRY. you might get it one day...

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:52 pm

Rekz wrote:This friend of mine came home with a rakhi to tie it on my hubby, after completing the ritual we all went to drop her back home. On the way she asks me if i want to tie rakhi to her hubby.

As much as i like chennai & chennaites...have always failed to understand why people here want to follow rakshabandhan and want to tie rakhi like f'ship band thou it's not part of their culture

I have never tied rakhi to anyone but some my friends in Madras used to - to ward off boys who were showing more than a friendly interest in them. Of course, this brother title was conferred on only those whom they weren't interested in.

Avani Avittam and Rakhi? Amavasai and Abdul Kadar.

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:55 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:O' thou UP brahmin:

If Raksha Bandhan is Avani Avittam, how come the Brahmin men don't tie Rakhis around their "Sisters' hands" as part of the festival and instead wear a new thread around their body. The DKheads also will be enormously happy if the brahmins celebrated it in Rakhi fashion instead of the Brahminical fashion.

Pliss to explain....Now dont do a Rashmun method and put the blame on Sivananda. Use your own Brain - or what is left of it - and give your OWN explanation.

Just TRY. you might get it one day...

--> Ettapa, HOW the festival is celebrated is not the question. It can be celebrated in different ways in different parts of the country. The key question is: is Avani Avittam the same as Raksha Bandhan? Yes, according to the article. I quote again from the article:
In the southern parts of India
in places like Kerala, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and parts of Orissa
Rakhi Purnima is called Avani Avittam.

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:58 pm

Rashmun wrote: The key question is: is Avani Avittam the same as Raksha Bandhan?

Of course, it is NOT.

The significance of Avani Avittam is quite different from that of Raksha Bandhan. They fall on the same date and that's the only commonality.

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:03 pm

blabberwock wrote:
Rashmun wrote: The key question is: is Avani Avittam the same as Raksha Bandhan?

Of course, it is NOT.

The significance of Avani Avittam is quite different from that of Raksha Bandhan. They fall on the same date and that's the only commonality.

--> All right.

by Hellsangel Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:37 pm

How do the 'brothers' feel about incest?

by Guest Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:36 pm

Rashmun wrote:
blabberwock wrote:
Rashmun wrote: The key question is: is Avani Avittam the same as Raksha Bandhan?

Of course, it is NOT.

The significance of Avani Avittam is quite different from that of Raksha Bandhan. They fall on the same date and that's the only commonality.

--> All right.

Out of curiosity, I looked up the author of this article that you quoted above. Haha, he sure has a vested interest in every part of India celebrating Raksha Bandhan and sending Rakhis across. His other articles are quite hilarious!

http://www.articlesbase.com/authors/amit-desai/102317

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:03 pm

Rashmun wrote:
blabberwock wrote:
Rashmun wrote: The key question is: is Avani Avittam the same as Raksha Bandhan?

Of course, it is NOT.

The significance of Avani Avittam is quite different from that of Raksha Bandhan. They fall on the same date and that's the only commonality.

--> All right.

Proof that BW is scary and threatening and everyone is fearful of opposing her.... Razz

by charvaka Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:48 am

Rashmun wrote:
blabberwock wrote:
Rashmun wrote: The key question is: is Avani Avittam the same as Raksha Bandhan?

Of course, it is NOT.

The significance of Avani Avittam is quite different from that of Raksha Bandhan. They fall on the same date and that's the only commonality.

--> All right.

All right!

by charvaka Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:51 am

blabberwock wrote:Out of curiosity, I looked up the author of this article that you quoted above. Haha, he sure has a vested interest in every part of India celebrating Raksha Bandhan and sending Rakhis across. His other articles are quite hilarious!

http://www.articlesbase.com/authors/amit-desai/102317

Hahaha! This is what happens when one relies on random internet links to make points about topics one doesn't understand.

by Kris Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:09 am

On the way she asks me if i want to tie rakhi to her hubby.

>>>> Hangin' out with Ms.Sawant is not that cool, is it now?

Smile

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:14 am

charvaka wrote:
blabberwock wrote:Out of curiosity, I looked up the author of this article that you quoted above. Haha, he sure has a vested interest in every part of India celebrating Raksha Bandhan and sending Rakhis across. His other articles are quite hilarious!

http://www.articlesbase.com/authors/amit-desai/102317
Hahaha! This is what happens when one relies on random internet links to make points about topics one doesn't understand.

-->it is natural to get confused if someone as eminent as the great Swami Sivananda, himself a tamilian, says the same thing:

http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/religions/raksha.htm/

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:35 am

rashmun: aren't you the least bit embarrassed about taking the first site that pops up upon googling (this rakhi peddler's site that is) and posting it as "evidence" to prop up your crackpot theories?

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:18 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:rashmun: aren't you the least bit embarrassed about taking the first site that pops up upon googling (this rakhi peddler's site that is) and posting it as "evidence" to prop up your crackpot theories?

--> How is anyone to blame if someone as renowned as the great tamil saint Swami Sivananda goes about saying that avani avittam is the same as Raksha Bandhan?

-------
Raksha Bandhan

By

Sri Swami Sivananda

RAKSHA BANDHAN is called Avani Avittam in South India. This falls on the
full moon day of the month of Sravan (August-September). It is an important
Hindu festival. Hindus wear a new holy thread and offer libations of water to
the ancient Rishis on this day.

Recitation of the Vedas on this great day is highly beneficial. This
festival is also known as Upakarmam, and is specially sacred to the Brahmins,
who have been invested with the sacred thread.

When a Brahmin boy is invested with this thread, symbolically his third
eye, or the eye of wisdom, is opened. The holy festival of Upakarmam reminds
one who wears the sacred thread of its glorious spiritual significance.
Brahmins also offer libations of water to their ancestors, to whom they owe
their birth; to the great Rishis, to whom they are highly indebted for their
spiritual knowledge; and to the Vedas themselves. The true Hindu never
forgets his benefactors!

The followers of the four different Vedas have their Upakarmam on
different days.

On this day, Sachi, the consort of Indra, tied a holy thread or amulet
around the wrist of Indra, when he was defeated by the demons. Then Indra, the
king of gods, gained victory over the demons by the power of this protection
(Raksha means "protection"). He then recovered the lost city of
Amaravati.

In North India, on this day, an amulet known as a Raksha or Rakhi, is tied
round the wrist of brothers by the sisters as a protection from evil during
the coming year. Brahmins and Purohits similarly tie amulets round the wrists
of their patrons and receive gifts. A Mantra is recited when the Rakhi or the
silken thread is tied. The silken thread is charged with the power of the
Mantra, which is as follows:

<blockquote> Yena baddho balee raajaa daanavendro mahaabalah;
Tena twaam anubadhnaami rakshey maa chala maa chala.
</blockquote>
"I am tying on your hand this Raksha, with which the most powerful and
generous King Bali himself was bound; O Raksha, don’t go away; don’t go
away."

The power of this Mantra protects the wearer from evil influences.

http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/religions/raksha.htm/

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:48 am

It is certainly not called avani avittam in Andhra.

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