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Why Nehru’s Planning Commission didn’t fail India—but Modi’s Niti Aayog might

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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:41 pm

Two significant changes were made in the last decade: First, taking the people on board from the very inception of planning; and second, loosening the rigidity of centrally-sponsored schemes (CSS) to accommodate different aspirations. This is because very early we were told by our chairperson—the prime minister—that one size does not fit all.

Policies had to be tailored to address the fact that given India’s diversity and geography, different states would be at different stages of development. At annual plan discussions, states were urged to indicate what changes to CSS would address their special needs.
The new architecture is planned to ensure the participation of states in the planning process and to affect “bottom up” instead of “top down” planning. It is, therefore, decided that all chief ministers of states will be members of NITI Aayog.

As a result, planning will be done by the entire National Development Council, the highest decision making body of the country.

How many meetings of this body will be held in the year?

How many chief ministers, given their excessive workload, will attend to their duties as planners?

Will the decisions then be thrown back to the lap of officials who are known for status quo ante, business as usual?
http://qz.com/320924/why-nehrus-planning-commission-didnt-fail-india-but-modis-niti-aayog-might/

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:44 pm

Give Modi some time before comparing Niti with the Planning Commission.

Based on what happened to India until PVN came along, it is safe to assume that Chi Chi Nehru and his daughter destroyed the economy.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:46 pm

Nothing can beat in terms of bad planning the implementations of caste based quotas in education and jobs and the religious (archaic, divisive and discriminatory / gender-specific) laws in the country.  Do you know when that happened?
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Post by Hellsangel Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:49 pm

True. And the Soviet Union's five-year plans (that Nehru copied) didn't fail them either.
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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:08 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Give Modi some time before comparing Niti with the Planning Commission.

Based on what happened to India until PVN came along, it is safe to assume that Chi Chi Nehru and his daughter destroyed the economy.
Author highlighted the basic flaw in Modi's vision i.e giving chief ministers a bigger role in planning which they will not be able to fulfill given their other responsibilities. They will end up sending a proxy to the planning meetings which would defeat the whole purpose.

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Post by rawemotions Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:19 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Two significant changes were made in the last decade: First, taking the people on board from the very inception of planning; and second, loosening the rigidity of centrally-sponsored schemes (CSS) to accommodate different aspirations. This is because very early we were told by our chairperson—the prime minister—that one size does not fit all.

Policies had to be tailored to address the fact that given India’s diversity and geography, different states would be at different stages of development. At annual plan discussions, states were urged to indicate what changes to CSS would address their special needs.
The new architecture is planned to ensure the participation of states in the planning process and to affect “bottom up” instead of “top down” planning. It is, therefore, decided that all chief ministers of states will be members of NITI Aayog.

As a result, planning will be done by the entire National Development Council, the highest decision making body of the country.

How many meetings of this body will be held in the year?

How many chief ministers, given their excessive workload, will attend to their duties as planners?

Will the decisions then be thrown back to the lap of officials who are known for status quo ante, business as usual?
http://qz.com/320924/why-nehrus-planning-commission-didnt-fail-india-but-modis-niti-aayog-might/
Ok! According to you, Niti Aayog is going to fail. Country will not grow beyond 6 percent. UPA were in power for 10 years and screwed the economy. NDA is in power. They are at least trying something different. May be it will not work. So what are you going to do about it ?

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Post by Hellsangel Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:21 pm

rawemotions wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Two significant changes were made in the last decade: First, taking the people on board from the very inception of planning; and second, loosening the rigidity of centrally-sponsored schemes (CSS) to accommodate different aspirations. This is because very early we were told by our chairperson—the prime minister—that one size does not fit all.

Policies had to be tailored to address the fact that given India’s diversity and geography, different states would be at different stages of development. At annual plan discussions, states were urged to indicate what changes to CSS would address their special needs.
The new architecture is planned to ensure the participation of states in the planning process and to affect “bottom up” instead of “top down” planning. It is, therefore, decided that all chief ministers of states will be members of NITI Aayog.

As a result, planning will be done by the entire National Development Council, the highest decision making body of the country.

How many meetings of this body will be held in the year?

How many chief ministers, given their excessive workload, will attend to their duties as planners?

Will the decisions then be thrown back to the lap of officials who are known for status quo ante, business as usual?
http://qz.com/320924/why-nehrus-planning-commission-didnt-fail-india-but-modis-niti-aayog-might/
Ok! According to you, Niti Aayog is going to fail. Country will not grow beyond 6 percent. UPA were in power for 10 years and screwed the economy. NDA is in power. They are at least trying something different. May be it will not work. So what are you going to do about it ?

Comrade will whine here day in and day out.
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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:23 pm

Hellsangel wrote:True. And the Soviet Union's five-year plans (that Nehru copied) didn't fail them either.
Per author, Planning commission adapted to times and morphed into a dynamic institution with proper checks and balances and accountability.

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Post by Hellsangel Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:30 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:True. And the Soviet Union's five-year plans (that Nehru copied) didn't fail them either.
Per author, Planning commission adapted to times and morphed into a dynamic institution with proper checks and balances and accountability.

And he is also unbiased as can be inferred from what he said before he said that:

As a member of Planning Commission for two terms (10 years)....
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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:31 pm

rawemotions wrote:
Ok! According to you, Niti Aayog is going to fail. Country will not grow beyond 6 percent. UPA were in power for 10 years and screwed the economy.
I wish your statement was at least half-true.
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NDA is in power. They are at least trying something different. May be it will not work. So what are you going to do about it ?
There is a reason Modi is called feku.

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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:35 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
And he is also unbiased as can be inferred from what he said before he said that:
As a member of Planning Commission for two terms (10 years)....
So.. Modi figured it all out in < 3 months.

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Post by Hellsangel Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:37 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
And he is also unbiased as can be inferred from what he said before he said that:
As a member of Planning Commission for two terms (10 years)....
So.. Modi figured it all out in < 3 months.

Do you know the definition of insanity according to Albert Einstein?
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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:44 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Do you know the definition of insanity according to Albert Einstein?

Two significant changes were made in the last decade: First, taking the people on board from the very inception of planning; and second, loosening the rigidity of centrally-sponsored schemes (CSS) to accommodate different aspirations. This is because very early we were told by our chairperson—the prime minister—that one size does not fit all.
Does the above fit that definition?

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Post by Hellsangel Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:49 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Do you know the definition of insanity according to Albert Einstein?

Two significant changes were made in the last decade: First, taking the people on board from the very inception of planning; and second, loosening the rigidity of centrally-sponsored schemes (CSS) to accommodate different aspirations. This is because very early we were told by our chairperson—the prime minister—that one size does not fit all.
Does the above fit that definition?

Big deal. By that standard then, what is being done now fits the bolded part very well and you have no cause for complain.
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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:12 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Do you know the definition of insanity according to Albert Einstein?

Two significant changes were made in the last decade: First, taking the people on board from the very inception of planning; and second, loosening the rigidity of centrally-sponsored schemes (CSS) to accommodate different aspirations. This is because very early we were told by our chairperson—the prime minister—that one size does not fit all.
Does the above fit that definition?

Big deal. By that standard then, what is being done now fits the bolded part very well and you have no cause for complain.
Cutting down on unnecessary bureaucracy is a good thing but this sounds like setting up a platform to push his Hindutva based agenda, leveraging BJP CMs.

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Post by Hellsangel Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:15 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Do you know the definition of insanity according to Albert Einstein?

Two significant changes were made in the last decade: First, taking the people on board from the very inception of planning; and second, loosening the rigidity of centrally-sponsored schemes (CSS) to accommodate different aspirations. This is because very early we were told by our chairperson—the prime minister—that one size does not fit all.
Does the above fit that definition?

Big deal. By that standard then, what is being done now fits the bolded part very well and you have no cause for complain.
Cutting down on unnecessary bureaucracy is a good thing but this sounds like setting up a platform to push his Hindutva based agenda, leveraging BJP CMs.

Ah! Now you don't like the political affiliation of most of the state leaders. And that is your real problem.
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