Freedom of religion can’t be a defence or justification for scripturally bigoted religiosity

by Seva Lamberdar Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:47 am

The freedom of religion can’t be used as a convenient excuse / tool to legitimize and push the scripturally bigoted religious view / agenda that others (followers of other scriptures and faiths or those not believing in any kind of religion at all) are wrong (or unequal, or evil) and therefore they should be converted, thus essentially driving others into extinction through conversions and other means to achieve religious exclusivism (one and the only true religion and all others must go) while undermining, threatening and eroding religious pluralism. Needless to say, anyone opposing or resisting this type of bigoted religious view, even if it has the scriptural support, can’t be accused of religious bigotry and labeled as a bigot, because opposing and resisting any kind of bigotry (including the religious bigotry which undermines others and considers them as low and unequal, even evil, until they convert) is not a bigotry in itself. Note, the real freedom of religion stands for in everyone having the same / equal right to worship and pray in whatever way to whichever deity according to whatsoever scripture, or not worship and pray at all and be a true non-believer.

by confuzzled dude Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:32 am

Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.

by Guest Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:35 am

confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.

I think the BJP and the right wing are trying hard to do exactly that, if not for anything, it's to consolidate the hindu votes.

by Hellsangel Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:35 am

confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.

Comrade, what have you personally done towards that?

by truthbetold Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:03 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.

How do you propose to do that? Following Jagan?

by Kris Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:38 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.

>>>How about the converters solve all their social ills before starting to convert others? Or are they beyond questioning on that as well?

by rawemotions Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:24 am

confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.

This is a flawed argument. The monotheistic religions backed by scriptures justify conversions to Islam or Christianity not by quoting caste system, but simply because someone chose to be a
Hindu/Sikh/Parsi/Buddhist/Atheist.
Any person who seeks to convert others in the name of caste system is actually being deceitful, and is not revealing the true intent which is nothing but a political doctrine enshrined in religious scriptures.

by Seva Lamberdar Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:44 am

confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.

The quickest way to fix many problems in the country, including related to religions and castes, is by implementing the UCC or Uniform Civil Code (i.e. one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and immediately get rid of the current system of several archaic, divisive and discriminatory (including gender-specific) religious / communal laws for different communities.

by confuzzled dude Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:20 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.
The quickest way to fix many problems in the country, including related to religions and castes, is by implementing the UCC or Uniform Civil Code (i.e. one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and immediately get rid of the current system of several archaic, divisive and discriminatory (including gender-specific) religious / communal laws for different communities.

Why can't BJP take ordinance route to pass UCC?

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:30 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.
The quickest way to fix many problems in the country, including related to religions and castes, is by implementing the UCC or Uniform Civil Code (i.e. one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and immediately get rid of the current system of several archaic, divisive and discriminatory (including gender-specific) religious / communal laws for different communities.
Why can't BJP take ordinance route to pass UCC?

Your pampered vote-bank isn't that small a minority in Bihar, UP and WB (elections are coming). They will make a huge fuss if BJP talks about UCC. Gowns and Daadis will hug each other and cry foul. Obama will give another speech saying that Gandhiji is turning in his grave. Pappu will attend more iftar parties and fart in public.

by confuzzled dude Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:38 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.
The quickest way to fix many problems in the country, including related to religions and castes, is by implementing the UCC or Uniform Civil Code (i.e. one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and immediately get rid of the current system of several archaic, divisive and discriminatory (including gender-specific) religious / communal laws for different communities.
Why can't BJP take ordinance route to pass UCC?
Your pampered vote-bank isn't that small a minority in Bihar, UP and WB (elections are coming). They will make a huge fuss if BJP talks about UCC. Gowns and Daadis will hug each other and cry foul. Obama will give another speech saying that Gandhiji is turning in his grave. Pappu will attend more iftar parties and fart in public.

Are you saying that BJP is another party full of sikular fukular CON artists?

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:21 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.
The quickest way to fix many problems in the country, including related to religions and castes, is by implementing the UCC or Uniform Civil Code (i.e. one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and immediately get rid of the current system of several archaic, divisive and discriminatory (including gender-specific) religious / communal laws for different communities.
Why can't BJP take ordinance route to pass UCC?
Your pampered vote-bank isn't that small a minority in Bihar, UP and WB (elections are coming). They will make a huge fuss if BJP talks about UCC. Gowns and Daadis will hug each other and cry foul. Obama will give another speech saying that Gandhiji is turning in his grave. Pappu will attend more iftar parties and fart in public.
Are you saying that BJP is another party full of sikular fukular CON artists?

If BJP guys become CONartists, they will also be wiped out (may be, they will hug Sonia in the political grave and do odarpu to each other)

by Seva Lamberdar Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:11 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.
The quickest way to fix many problems in the country, including related to religions and castes, is by implementing the UCC or Uniform Civil Code (i.e. one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and immediately get rid of the current system of several archaic, divisive and discriminatory (including gender-specific) religious / communal laws for different communities.
Why can't BJP take ordinance route to pass UCC?

ask the BJP?

by confuzzled dude Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:42 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.
The quickest way to fix many problems in the country, including related to religions and castes, is by implementing the UCC or Uniform Civil Code (i.e. one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and immediately get rid of the current system of several archaic, divisive and discriminatory (including gender-specific) religious / communal laws for different communities.
Why can't BJP take ordinance route to pass UCC?
ask the BJP?

It is your party Sevaji.

by Seva Lamberdar Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:16 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Let's fix caste system before talking about other scriptures. That might put a stop to these conversions.
The quickest way to fix many problems in the country, including related to religions and castes, is by implementing the UCC or Uniform Civil Code (i.e. one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and immediately get rid of the current system of several archaic, divisive and discriminatory (including gender-specific) religious / communal laws for different communities.
Why can't BJP take ordinance route to pass UCC?
ask the BJP?
It is your party Sevaji.

LOL. What makes you think that BJP is my party?

Btw, was the Pope right in keeping quiet during the 1930s-40s when the Nazis in Germany and Nazi collaborators elsewhere in Europe promoted and practiced the religious exclusivism (with racial overtones), which resulted in the suffering and deaths of millions of non-Christians (e.g. Jews) and non-believers (Communists)?

by Seva Lamberdar Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:17 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
The quickest way to fix many problems in the country, including related to religions and castes, is by implementing the UCC or Uniform Civil Code (i.e. one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, race, caste and gender) and immediately get rid of the current system of several archaic, divisive and discriminatory (including gender-specific) religious / communal laws for different communities.
Why can't BJP take ordinance route to pass UCC?
ask the BJP?
It is your party Sevaji.
LOL. What makes you think that BJP is my party?

Btw, was the Pope right in keeping quiet during the 1930s-40s when the Nazis in Germany and Nazi collaborators elsewhere in Europe promoted and practiced the religious exclusivism (with racial overtones), which resulted in the suffering and deaths of millions of non-Christians (e.g. Jews) and non-believers (Communists)?

Isn't it also the religio-exclusivism using conversions etc. of the non-Muslims by the Muslims which ultimately led to the "pure" (exclusively) Islamic states (also known sometimes as the Islamic holy land where the visiting non-Muslims can't even carry their scripture with them).

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