CRAZY HINDUTVAS: BJPee ruled states refuse to serve eggs to malnourished children

by Guest Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:47 pm

http://scroll.in/article/731585/not-just-madhya-pradesh-denying-eggs-to-malnourished-children-is-common-in-bjp-run-states

by Merlot Daruwala Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:03 am

Yes, eggs are holy to Hindus and their consumption offends religious sentiment. Or perhaps, going by Rawmotions' argument, some people keep eggs as pets and therefore it is wrong to eat them.

by smArtha Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:47 am

Rashmun wrote:http://scroll.in/article/731585/not-just-madhya-pradesh-denying-eggs-to-malnourished-children-is-common-in-bjp-run-states

Is egg the cheapest and most wholesome nutritional meal for children? What about rice/roti with dal and vegetables? Or even sambar rice that the Akshaya Patra folks serve?

by Hellsangel Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:51 am

smArtha wrote:
Rashmun wrote:http://scroll.in/article/731585/not-just-madhya-pradesh-denying-eggs-to-malnourished-children-is-common-in-bjp-run-states

Is egg the cheapest and most wholesome nutritional meal for children? What about rice/roti with dal and vegetables? Or even sambar rice that the Akshaya Patra folks serve?

Maybe not the cheapest. But this is a good breakfast:

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/jamies-huevos-rancheros-recipe.html

by Guest Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:54 am

smArtha wrote:
Rashmun wrote:http://scroll.in/article/731585/not-just-madhya-pradesh-denying-eggs-to-malnourished-children-is-common-in-bjp-run-states

Is egg the cheapest and most wholesome nutritional meal for children? What about rice/roti with dal and vegetables? Or even sambar rice that the Akshaya Patra folks serve?

BHOPAL: Shivraj Singh Chouhan's decision to stop the distribution of boiled eggs or egg curries in anganwadis in tribal districts may have raised eyebrows, but the Jain community plans to felicitate the Madhya Pradesh CM for respecting their sentiments.

Chouhan's decision came recently after the women and child development department moved a proposal to serve ready-to-eat breakfast for children in the 3-6 age group in anganwadis run under the Integrated Child Development Services (ICDS) programme. Department officials had emphasized that an easy way to check malnutrition in the tribal districts of Mandla, Alirajpur and Hoshangabad would be to serve boiled eggs. But some organizations promoting vegetarianism had opposed the proposal.

"We're leading the vegetarians and their demand for replacing eggs with vegetables, fruits and milk," said Digambar Jain Mahasamiti spokesperson Anil Badkul. "We'll certainly felicitate chief minister Shivraj Singh for respecting our sentiments and suggesting milk and banana in tribal areas."

But several social organizations have criticized the CM, saying eggs are a cheap and readily available source of protein. "In this case, the decision taken by the CM is mainly one-sided, influenced by a powerful lobby," said Right to Food activist Sachin Jain. He said there was no study about how many people exactly eat eggs and how many do not. "The say of tribals and their family members should also be included while taking such decisions," he said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/veggie-madhya-pradesh-cm-bans-eggs-in-anganwadis-to-be-felicitated/articleshow/47509862.cms

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:20 am

smArtha wrote:
Rashmun wrote:http://scroll.in/article/731585/not-just-madhya-pradesh-denying-eggs-to-malnourished-children-is-common-in-bjp-run-states

Is egg the cheapest and most wholesome nutritional meal for children? What about rice/roti with dal and vegetables? Or even sambar rice that the Akshaya Patra folks serve?

That's right! If we well-heeled folks can get all our nutrition from eating 100% vegetarian food - fresh fruits, vegetables, legumes and dal, why can't poor people and their malnourished children at anganwadis get it?? That's indeed a fine chaddi version of if-they-can't-have-bread-let-them-eat-cakes, playing out at your nearest BJP-ruled state!

Here's a good summary: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/47560045.cms

To your point about costs:

The Article wrote:But as a secretary in the department of women and child welfare in Tamil Nadu said, "Giving eggs means more cost, but we see malnutrition elimination as an investment."

As for what the kids want:

The Article wrote: Most significantly , community surveys have shown eggs to be successful among children. In 2012, Shatrugna says the Karnataka government asked 60,000 primary school children in Bangalore whether they'd prefer eggs or bananas. Nearly 55,000 chose eggs (the state still gives bananas in the midday meal scheme). "The success of any nutrition scheme, especially once targeting choosy eaters like children, must also be measured by how they respond to it," says Prasad.

And oh, as for those religious freaks who run Akshaya Patra:

The Article wrote:NGO Akshaya Patra, which serves 10,770 schools in 10 states, chose not to comment on an ET query on the protein component in its vegetarian meals.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:27 am

why do you call akshaya patra religious freaks? i haven't looked into it more closely, but we have been involved with doing some modest levels of fund raising for them. i ask out of curiosity.

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:23 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:why do you call akshaya patra religious freaks? i haven't looked into it more closely, but we have been involved with doing some modest levels of fund raising for them. i ask out of curiosity.

The Hare Krishnas are one of the most aggressive, evangelistic cults within Hinduism.

Charity in the form of supplying free, strictly vegan mid-day meals etc is part of their catch-them-young evangelistic strategy, not different from the Christian effort that so riles up Upps Aunty and Co here.

In addition to imposing their vegan beliefs on even traditionally non-vegetarian tribal students, there is the imposition of their religious belief as well. The daily routine involves getting the children in these remote government run schools to chant the standard Hare Rama Hare Krishna mantra once the food is served.

A couple of years ago, the Govt of Karnataka, impressed by the beneficial impact of eggs in reducing malnutrition among Anganwadi children, wanted to supply one egg (or banana for vegan children) every Saturday as part of the Midday Meal scheme. The Hare Krishnas who run Akshaya Patra shot it down, so today it is just a banana although the two are not comparable in terms of nutritional content.

So while their effort and its outcomes have been fantastic in an area where the Government and its venal apparatus has failed miserably, it annoys nevertheless that these folks feel the need to impose their beliefs on the beneficiaries.

Not very different from Catholic hospitals which refuse contraception because it is against their beliefs.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:06 am

it does seem silly that they'd deny kids a quick source of nutritious protein solely based on their religious beliefs. do they also object to milk based products?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:39 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it does seem silly that they'd deny kids a quick source of nutritious protein solely based on their religious beliefs. do they also object to milk based products?

Egg is like Coffee - Yesterday bad - today good - tomorrow bad...IF some group wants to follow an absolute Vegan whats wrong with that ? Kids will always be brainwashed by some group or other - Christian, Commies, islamic or RSS. Either you guys should demand the SAME non-religious approach from everyone or give every group the same hands-off approach. When the Gownwallahs or other groups expect prayers or acceptance of HIM to receive help (orphanages, Tsunami, EQ victims) none of the media or the learned elite here dared to criticize and stated such group should be appreciated just for being helpful.

If the kids hunger is answered that is sufficient.

Here......google and learn...

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:43 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it does seem silly that they'd deny kids a quick source of nutritious protein solely based on their religious beliefs. do they also object to milk based products?

No idea. But thats moot. Milk is too difficult to handle logistically, spoils easily and prone to adulteration. Even milk powder supplies were found adulterated.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:20 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it does seem silly that they'd deny kids a quick source of nutritious protein solely based on their religious beliefs. do they also object to milk based products?

No idea. But thats moot. Milk is too difficult to handle logistically, spoils easily and prone to adulteration. Even milk powder supplies were found adulterated.

i wasn't suggesting that eggs be substituted by milk. i was trying to understand where the objection to eggs come from. in our fairly traditional brahminical household, grandmothers understood that giving children eggs particularly when they are young is a compromise that's worth making, and they suspended their religious objections. so if akshaya patra is objecting to eggs as having animal origins, they should object to milk based products too.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:21 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it does seem silly that they'd deny kids a quick source of nutritious protein solely based on their religious beliefs. do they also object to milk based products?

Egg is like Coffee - Yesterday bad - today good - tomorrow bad...IF some group wants to follow an absolute Vegan whats wrong with that ? Kids will always be brainwashed by some group or other - Christian, Commies, islamic or RSS. Either you guys should demand the SAME non-religious approach from everyone or give every group the same hands-off approach. When the Gownwallahs or other groups expect prayers or acceptance of HIM to receive help (orphanages, Tsunami, EQ victims) none of the media or the learned elite here dared to criticize and stated such group should be appreciated just for being helpful.

If the kids hunger is answered that is sufficient.

Here......google and learn...

Bhesh! Bhesh!, this way they're not only cutting down the costs but also reducing corruption, as most of those eggs wouldn't have reached the needy kids anyway. Hats off to Chaddi-wizards.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:40 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it does seem silly that they'd deny kids a quick source of nutritious protein solely based on their religious beliefs. do they also object to milk based products?

Egg is like Coffee - Yesterday bad - today good - tomorrow bad...IF some group wants to follow an absolute Vegan whats wrong with that ? Kids will always be brainwashed by some group or other - Christian, Commies, islamic or RSS. Either you guys should demand the SAME non-religious approach from everyone or give every group the same hands-off approach. When the Gownwallahs or other groups expect prayers or acceptance of HIM to receive help (orphanages, Tsunami, EQ victims) none of the media or the learned elite here dared to criticize and stated such group should be appreciated just for being helpful.

If the kids hunger is answered that is sufficient.

Here......google and learn...
Bhesh! Bhesh!, this way they're not only cutting down the costs but also reducing corruption, as most of those eggs wouldn't have reached the needy kids anyway. Hats off to Chaddi-wizards.

Remember YOU guys started arguing in terms of religion...so lemme continue...

Why should the hinduism-based charity organizations follow any and all (kinds) of rules laid out by the "misguided secularists" while non-hindu charities are allowed to operate and practice in any which way they like.

Does secularism means 'apply logic/rules' only on hindu charities ?

P.S. There are enough idiots who dont know that eggs (most bought and used for food) cannot hatch into chicks. So like MAX said if the reason is not to use animal products then they should not use any diary as well. I have known Hare Krishnas serving only Vegan foods - so that could well be a reason for that group.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:54 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Remember YOU guys started arguing in terms of religion...so lemme continue...

Why should the hinduism-based charity organizations follow any and all (kinds) of rules laid out by the "misguided secularists" while non-hindu charities are allowed to operate and practice in any which way they like.

Does secularism means 'apply logic/rules' only on hindu charities ?

P.S. There are enough idiots who dont know that eggs (most bought and used for food) cannot hatch into chicks. So like MAX said if the reason is not to use animal products then they should not use any diary as well. I have known Hare Krishnas serving only Vegan foods - so that could well be a reason for that group.

Thanks for accepting that Shivraj Singh Chouhan is leading a religion based organization.

by Guest Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:05 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it does seem silly that they'd deny kids a quick source of nutritious protein solely based on their religious beliefs. do they also object to milk based products?

Egg is like Coffee - Yesterday bad - today good - tomorrow bad...IF some group wants to follow an absolute Vegan whats wrong with that ? Kids will always be brainwashed by some group or other - Christian, Commies, islamic or RSS. Either you guys should demand the SAME non-religious approach from everyone or give every group the same hands-off approach. When the Gownwallahs or other groups expect prayers or acceptance of HIM to receive help (orphanages, Tsunami, EQ victims) none of the media or the learned elite here dared to criticize and stated such group should be appreciated just for being helpful.

If the kids hunger is answered that is sufficient.

Here......google and learn...
Bhesh! Bhesh!, this way they're not only cutting down the costs but also reducing corruption, as most of those eggs wouldn't have reached the needy kids anyway. Hats off to Chaddi-wizards.

Remember YOU guys started arguing in terms of religion...so lemme continue...

Why should the hinduism-based charity organizations follow any and all (kinds) of rules laid out by the "misguided secularists" while non-hindu charities are allowed to operate and practice in any which way they like.

Does secularism means 'apply logic/rules' only on hindu charities ?

P.S. There are enough idiots who dont know that eggs (most bought and used for food) cannot hatch into chicks. So like MAX said if the reason is not to use animal products then they should not use any diary as well. I have known Hare Krishnas serving only Vegan foods - so that could well be a reason for that group.

History of the Sunday Feasts

The founder-acarya (spiritual master) of the Hare Krishna movement, Srila Prabhupada, started the now-famous Sunday feasts in 1966. At the first Krishna temple in the Western world, located in New York's Lower East Side, he would personally help cook the twelve-course meals. Regular attendance at the feast rapidly increased to three or four hundred people. Generally these feasts consisted of:

puris - a light tortillalike whole wheat bread fried in ghee (clarified butter)
pushpanna rice - an opulent rice dish, prepared with nuts and spices.
samosas - a fried pastry stuffed with cauliflower and peas.
pakoras - vegetables dipped in chick-pea batter and deep-fried in ghee
two or more subjis - cooked vegetables, often including small cubes of fresh, homemade cheese.
kheer - a dessert of sweetened condensed milk.
burfi - a milk sweet resembling vanilla fudge.
lassi - cooling yogurt-fruit drink

http://www.iskconct.org/sunday.html

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:07 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it does seem silly that they'd deny kids a quick source of nutritious protein solely based on their religious beliefs. do they also object to milk based products?

No idea. But thats moot. Milk is too difficult to handle logistically, spoils easily and prone to adulteration. Even milk powder supplies were found adulterated.

i wasn't suggesting that eggs be substituted by milk. i was trying to understand where the objection to eggs come from. in our fairly traditional brahminical household, grandmothers understood that giving children eggs particularly when they are young is a compromise that's worth making, and they suspended their religious objections. so if akshaya patra is objecting to eggs as having animal origins, they should object to milk based products too.

Ha-ha..these folks aren't known for their logical reasoning skills. I'd once posed this question to a Jain colleague: what is the objection to unfertilized eggs when they have no problems drinking milk? He said he would get back to me after consulting his acharya, but never did.

by Kris Sun Jun 07, 2015 6:19 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it does seem silly that they'd deny kids a quick source of nutritious protein solely based on their religious beliefs. do they also object to milk based products?

Egg is like Coffee - Yesterday bad - today good - tomorrow bad...IF some group wants to follow an absolute Vegan whats wrong with that ? Kids will always be brainwashed by some group or other - Christian, Commies, islamic or RSS. Either you guys should demand the SAME non-religious approach from everyone or give every group the same hands-off approach. When the Gownwallahs or other groups expect prayers or acceptance of HIM to receive help (orphanages, Tsunami, EQ victims) none of the media or the learned elite here dared to criticize and stated such group should be appreciated just for being helpful.

If the kids hunger is answered that is sufficient.

Here......google and learn...

>> Nothing wrong with that. If I am hungry, I am not going to care about the donor's dietary restrictions. That being said, I personally find vegan not particularly appealing and Hare Krishna food (the few times I have had it) especially bad. maybe it is different in india.

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:20 am

Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it does seem silly that they'd deny kids a quick source of nutritious protein solely based on their religious beliefs. do they also object to milk based products?

Egg is like Coffee - Yesterday bad - today good - tomorrow bad...IF some group wants to follow an absolute Vegan whats wrong with that ? Kids will always be brainwashed by some group or other - Christian, Commies, islamic or RSS. Either you guys should demand the SAME non-religious approach from everyone or give every group the same hands-off approach. When the Gownwallahs or other groups expect prayers or acceptance of HIM to receive help (orphanages, Tsunami, EQ victims) none of the media or the learned elite here dared to criticize and stated such group should be appreciated just for being helpful.

If the kids hunger is answered that is sufficient.

Here......google and learn...
>> Nothing wrong with that. If I am hungry, I am not going to care about the donor's dietary restrictions. That being said, I personally find vegan not particularly appealing and Hare Krishna food (the few times I have had it) especially bad. maybe it is different in india.

True, beggars can't be choosers. Yet, it is especially callous to take such a vehement stance against something as innocuous as eggs despite the proven track record in reducing childhood malnutrition.

Akshaya Patra is able to provide wholesome veggie meals because it uses centralized kitchens in largely urban settings. It's simply not feasible to replicate this in rural areas. And yet, their model and their fanatical veganism is held up as some ideal template for the entire country, sabotaging simple intiatives that could make a world of difference to the health of those folks who are grateful for that one free meal at school.

by bw Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:46 am

https://harekrishnarevolution.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/prabhupada-says-eating-onion-and-garlic-is-as-bad-as-eating-cows-flesh/

An excerpt from “A Transcendental Diary” written by His Grace Hari Sauri Dasa, who was Srila Prabhupāda’s personal servant during 1975-77

i went once to a local harekrishna temple in the US with my friend in search of free food - the food was bleh!

watching my friend participate with full vigour in their dance more than compensated for the bad food. i had no idea of this side of her.

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:21 am

bw wrote:https://harekrishnarevolution.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/prabhupada-says-eating-onion-and-garlic-is-as-bad-as-eating-cows-flesh/

An excerpt from “A Transcendental Diary” written by His Grace Hari Sauri Dasa, who was Srila Prabhupāda’s personal servant during 1975-77

i went once to a local harekrishna temple in the US with my friend in search of free food - the food was bleh!

watching my friend participate with full vigour in their dance more than compensated for the bad food. i had no idea of this side of her.

Bwahahaha @ His Divine Grace's opinions! His mother's foot!

by Kris Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:41 am

bw wrote:https://harekrishnarevolution.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/prabhupada-says-eating-onion-and-garlic-is-as-bad-as-eating-cows-flesh/

An excerpt from “A Transcendental Diary” written by His Grace Hari Sauri Dasa, who was Srila Prabhupāda’s personal servant during 1975-77

i went once to a local harekrishna temple in the US with my friend in search of free food - the food was bleh!

watching my friend participate with full vigour in their dance more than compensated for the bad food. i had no idea of this side of her.

>>Like the dance at airports? I don't see them at airports anymore. I didn't know this was a routine at the temples.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:48 am

in the broader scheme of things it's a little hard to get too exercised about ISCKON and its silliness about food. they seem like mostly harmless folks, this blocking of serving eggs to kids notwithstanding. i think it's a wild exaggeration to compare them with the more insidious religious groups.

i always thought of them as a somewhat dopey, happy go lucky, universal love kind of people.

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:43 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:in the broader scheme of things it's a little hard to get too exercised about ISCKON and its silliness about food. they seem like mostly harmless folks, this blocking of serving eggs to kids notwithstanding. i think it's a wild exaggeration to compare them with the more insidious religious groups.

i always thought of them as a somewhat dopey, happy go lucky, universal love kind of people.

True. Mostly harmless weirdos are what they are.

Can't help thinking of the irony of Krishna worshippers practising strict abstinence, with couples allowed to have joyless sex strictly for procreation (and during which the woman is supposed to keep chanting!!).

That playful, libidinous cowherd must be laughing his guts out at this travesty!

by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:07 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:in the broader scheme of things it's a little hard to get too exercised about ISCKON and its silliness about food. they seem like mostly harmless folks, this blocking of serving eggs to kids notwithstanding. i think it's a wild exaggeration to compare them with the more insidious religious groups.

i always thought of them as a somewhat dopey, happy go lucky, universal love kind of people.

True. Mostly harmless weirdos are what they are.

Can't help thinking of the irony of Krishna worshippers practising strict abstinence, with couples allowed to have joyless sex strictly for procreation (and during which the woman is supposed to keep chanting!!).

That playful, libidinous cowherd must be laughing his guts out at this travesty!

"This shocking expose will disabuse readers that the Hare Krishna sect is exclusively a group of religious devotees," declared PW . The "chilling" history of the movement documents drug-selling, wife-beating, child sexual abuse, rape and murder by its members.

http://www.amazon.com/Monkey-Stick-Onyx-Hubner/dp/0451401875/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1433783211&sr=1-1&keywords=monkey+on+a+stick

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