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Post by Hellsangel Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:03 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/04/jim-webb-id-vote-for-trump-but-not-clinton/
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:13 pm

jim who?
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Post by Hellsangel Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:16 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:jim who?
Typical MA libbie answer.
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Post by Kris Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:59 pm

Hellsangel wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/04/jim-webb-id-vote-for-trump-but-not-clinton/
"Trump is finding a large number of supporters in “coal country” without paying much attention to the Obama administration’s energy policies or to the plight of miners. In his refusal to rule out a Trump vote, Webb was acknowledging the mogul’s surprising appeal to white voters who feel left out of American culture — something that may help him win delegates this weekend in Kentucky and next week in Mississippi."


>>These are the demographic galleries Trump is playing to. Groups that feel they have been left behind and  not really beholden to political ideologies. The more the GOP tries to derail him, the more he is seen as an outsider and a champion of causes that don't matter to beltway insiders. If he ends up winning, I hope the bombast goes out the window and business instincts that favor pragmatism kick in and he chooses the right people. How about Kasich for VP? He seems to be the most sensible of the lot. This is going to be a very interesting election.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:40 pm

Business instincts? Are you serious? If the guy stuck what his father gave him in an S&P 500 index he'd have done way better. Trump university, trump mortgage, trump vodka... What business instincts?
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Post by Kris Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:50 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Business instincts? Are you serious? If the guy stuck what his father gave him in an S&P 500 index he'd have done way better. Trump university, trump mortgage, trump vodka... What business instincts?
>>>We are not talking about the individual business successes/failures. The government is a different kettle of fish altogether. However if he has been a business man, he will know that he can't get deals done if he antagonizes those he deals with. I don't find him appealing (or his opponent), but don't rule out that he can be pragmatic.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:53 pm

I suppose Bernie Madoff had some kind of business instincts too.
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Post by Kris Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:56 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:I suppose Bernie Madoff had some kind of business instincts too.
>>>What is your point? Trump in Madoff now?

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:58 pm

Kris wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:I suppose Bernie Madoff had some kind of business instincts too.
>>>What is your point? Trump in Madoff now?

That's what the court that issued a ruling against him in the Trump university case said.
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Post by Kris Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:59 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kris wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:I suppose Bernie Madoff had some kind of business instincts too.
>>>What is your point? Trump in Madoff now?

That's what the court that issued a ruling against him in the Trump university case said.
>>>is that what you think?

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:02 pm

Kris wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kris wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:I suppose Bernie Madoff had some kind of business instincts too.
>>>What is your point? Trump in Madoff now?

That's what the court that issued a ruling against him in the Trump university case said.
>>>is that what you think?

Yes I absolutely do.


http://time.com/4246394/donald-trump-university-98-percent-approval-lawsuit/

In a separate case, a judge in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit rejected a line of argument from Trump’s lawyer that a disgruntled student had once praised the program. Explicitly comparing Trump University to the kind of Ponzi scheme run by Bernie Madoff, Judge Kim McLane Wardlaw wrote that “victims of con artists often sing the praises of their victimizers until the moment they realize they have been fleeced.”

I think he is an egotistical conman who also happens to be a dangerous blowhard. If you aren't seeing it, you haven't been paying attention. I can see why anyone would be turned off by politics right now, but there is a limit to apathy. At what point do you decide it's time to jettison apathy and start paying attention? May I suggest it is now? Our kids' future depends on it.
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Post by Hellsangel Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:11 pm

It's like Alec Baldwin being a drama queen about moving out of the country if GWB was elected.
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:14 pm

Hellsangel wrote:It's like Alec Baldwin being a drama queen about moving out of the country if GWB was elected.

Nobody said anything about moving out.
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Post by Hellsangel Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:18 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:It's like Alec Baldwin being a drama queen about moving out of the country if GWB was elected.

Nobody said anything about moving out.
Same level of hysteria.
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:21 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:It's like Alec Baldwin being a drama queen about moving out of the country if GWB was elected.

Nobody said anything about moving out.
Same level of hysteria.

I disagree. The concern from respectable voices from all walks of life and from all political persuasions have reached a critical threshold that it's not so easy to write it off as hysteria. Let me suggest that you have a time lag from reality. Hopefully you'll catch up soon.
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Post by Hellsangel Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:26 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:It's like Alec Baldwin being a drama queen about moving out of the country if GWB was elected.

Nobody said anything about moving out.
Same level of hysteria.

I disagree. The concern from respectable voices from all walks of life and from all political persuasions have reached a critical threshold that it's not so easy to write it off as hysteria. Let me suggest that you have a time lag from reality. Hopefully you'll catch up soon.  
Yes. The same respectable libbies were hysterical when GWB was elected too, like that fatso Michael Moore and if the GOP is upset at the rule book being rewritten, tough luck. You're just a worry wart. So deal with it. In fact what happened to your glee that Mrs Blight will have a sure shot at the Presidency if she is running against Trump?
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Post by Kris Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:29 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kris wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kris wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:I suppose Bernie Madoff had some kind of business instincts too.
>>>What is your point? Trump in Madoff now?

That's what the court that issued a ruling against him in the Trump university case said.
>>>is that what you think?

Yes I absolutely do.


http://time.com/4246394/donald-trump-university-98-percent-approval-lawsuit/

In a separate case, a judge in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit rejected a line of argument from Trump’s lawyer that a disgruntled student had once praised the program. Explicitly comparing Trump University to the kind of Ponzi scheme run by Bernie Madoff, Judge Kim McLane Wardlaw wrote that “victims of con artists often sing the praises of their victimizers until the moment they realize they have been fleeced.”

I think he is an egotistical conman who also happens to be a dangerous blowhard.  If you aren't seeing it, you haven't been paying attention. I can see why anyone would be turned off by politics right now, but there is a limit to apathy. At what point do you decide it's time to jettison apathy and start paying attention? May I suggest it is now? Our kids' future depends on it.
>>> I saw early on as to how this was shaping up. Trump saw a gap and got in on the act. The GOPs doings now is actually helping him. His l'enfant terrible schtick and populism may even win him the big prize but that won't sustain him in the Presidency. For that he has to surround himself with good people and have them drive the process. This of course is not a certainty and we don't know the future.  I don't trust his opponent at all (I foresee Nixon-Part 2- from the other side of the aisle). On the GOP side, I find Kasich to be the one with some gravitas, but he has no traction. I find Sanders genuine as a person, but his socialist economics is needless to say all wrong. I don't think either party is great shakes in terms of whom they are fielding. All that being said, I have belief in the system that it will get us through. As of now, what we have is a  non-choice.

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Post by Hellsangel Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:30 pm

Funny. I recently described Mrs Blight as this generation's Nixon to someone.
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:35 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Yes. The same respectable libbies were hysterical when GWB was elected too, like that fatso Michael Moore and if the GOP is upset at the rule book being rewritten, tough luck. You're just a worry wart. So deal with it. In fact what happened to your glee that Mrs Blight will have a sure shot at the Presidency if she is running against Trump?

We both know that the voices of worry are not just from the dems. This is beyond politics. I'll tell you what -- if someone from the GOP made a deal with me today and asked me to pledge my support for Kasich (never mind I disagree with his policies on so many fronts), and assured me that this idiot will be gone tomorrow, I'd do it. That's how scared I am. Hillary may still win against him, but as I've always said, I want candidates from both parties that I could live with in the eventuality that the candidate I support does not win. I could have easily lived with Romney.

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Post by Hellsangel Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:02 am

Ha ha ha. I was reminded of Il Professore


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/how-do-we-know-america-is-anxious-about-a-president-trump-shrinks-and-massage-therapists/2016/03/03/e5b55a22-e0bb-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:35 am

Hellsangel wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/04/jim-webb-id-vote-for-trump-but-not-clinton/

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/02/25/neocon-kagan-endorses-hillary-clinton/

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11141308/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-max-boot
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Post by southindian Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:41 am

Nate Silver was completely clueless on NPR yesterday. He picked Trump chances 5% in Nov.
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:42 am

southindian wrote:Nate Silver was completely clueless on NPR yesterday. He picked Trump chances 5% in Nov.

NEVER diss Nate.
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Post by Hellsangel Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:04 pm

Ha ha ha@ After 'Jim who' you had to counter it, Il Professore.
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Post by Hellsangel Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:20 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
southindian wrote:Nate Silver was completely clueless on NPR yesterday. He picked Trump chances 5% in Nov.

NEVER diss Nate. 
"If Sanders winds up winning in Michigan, in fact, it will count as among the greatest polling errors in primary history. Clinton led by 21.3 percentage points in our final Michigan polling average. Previously, the candidate with the largest lead to lose a state in our database of well-polled primaries and caucuses was Walter Mondale, who led in New Hampshire by 17.1 percentage points but lost to Gary Hart in 1984."

-Nate Silver
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:42 am

I didn't say Nate was infallible; just not to diss him. Btw, the guy who wrote that article you're quoting from isn't Nate but one of his colleagues at 538. I read it this morning. It only shows the 538 folks' humility.
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