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Trump's changing policy positions
by Guest Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:50 pm
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801
Donald Trump called for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" in a statement about "preventing Muslim immigration" in December.
2. Ban Muslims from entering but make an exception for friends and Muslims serving in the US military.
He later amended his stance in an interview with Fox News, saying the 5,000 Muslims serving the United States military would be exempt from the ban and allowed to return home from overseas deployments. He also suggested that current Muslim residents — like his "many Muslim friends" — would be exempt, too, and able to come and go freely.
3. The Muslim ban was just an suggestion.
"We have a serious problem, and it's a temporary ban - it hasn't been called for yet, nobody's done it, this is just a suggestion until we find out what's going on," Trump said on in mid-May, softening for the first time in months on the ban.
4. Ban Muslims as a matter of policy, as well as people from countries with a history of terrorism.
In a national security address after the terror attack in Orlando, Trump said that if he's elected he would "suspend immigration from areas of the world where there's a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe or our allies until we fully understand how to end these threats."
5. Ban people from countries with a history of terrorism.
When a reporter asked Trump how he'd feel about a Muslim Scot entering the U.S. while on a trip to visit his golf courses in Scotland, Trump said it "wouldn't bother me." He then went on to emphasize that he did not want "people coming in from the terror countries." When asked, Trump would not name one such country.
6. Ban Muslims from countries with a history of terrorism, and potentially also other Muslims.
That same day, when pressed about how this statement in Scotland jived with Trump's proposal to ban all Muslims from entering the country, spokesman Hope Hicks said that the ban would just apply to Muslims from countries with a history of terrorism. She would not, however, confirm that Muslims residing in peaceful countries would be exempt. NBC News has asked for further clarification.
7. The Muslim ban was never about Muslims.
The next week, one spokesperson wrongly said the initial ban was not about Muslims.
"I know the news media has been reporting that the initial ban was against all Muslims, and that simply was not the case. It's simply for Muslim immigration, and Mr. Trump is adding specifics to clarify what his position is," Katrina Pierson told CNN, though advisers at the time said it was indeed about religion exclusively.
8. Nothing has changed, nothing to see here.
"This is not accurate," spokesperson Hope Hicks said when asked if the policies were changing and removing the word "Muslim." "There has been no change from the exchanges over the weekend."
9. The ban is negotiable.
Campaign manager Paul Manafort in late May said the Muslim ban was negotiable, and how Trump initially articulated it was not what it would turn out in the end. Manafort said the policy is currently that "where there is terrorist activity — Syria or Iraq — we will temporarily suspend immigration until we can establish a vetting system in which we can identify who people are who are coming in."
The government already has a rigorous, nine-step vetting process in place for refugees. Trump has previously included all Syrian refugees, including children and non-Muslims, in the ban.
10. The ban would call for "extreme vetting."
Mid July, Trump told "60 Minutes" that people from suspicious "territories" would receive "a thing called 'extreme vetting.'" He did not describe how "extreme vetting" would differ from the current vetting process.
"Call it whatever you want," Trump told CBS when asked if he was changing his previously released policy.
11. The ban hasn't changed, I just don't like saying the word "Muslim."
On Fox News in late July, Trump told Sean Hannity his position hadn't changed from his initial ban on Muslims entering the country.
"I think my position's gotten bigger, I'm talking about territories now. People don't want me to say Muslim—I guess I'd prefer not saying it, frankly, myself. So we're talking about territories."
12. There's a ban, plus "extreme vetting" that includes an ideological test.
"The time is overdue to develop a new screening test for the threats we face today," Trump said in a speech in mid-August that reiterated his call for "extreme vetting" and reiterated that he'd temporarily ban immigration from some countries that he declined to identify.
He then proposed an ideological test for immigration.
"In addition to screening out all members or sympathizers of terrorist groups, we must also screen out any who have hostile attitudes toward our country or its principles ― or who believe that Sharia law should supplant American law," he said.
13. There's no way to really do an ideological test.
"We don't know if they have love or hate in their heart," Trump said in September, articulating the problem many onlookers have expressed about his ban. "There's no way to tell."
14. Only people who love America are allowed.
Later, despite acknowledging the impossibility of the task, Trump maintained that an ideological test is key to the nation's immigration system.
"We want to make sure we're only admitting those into our country who support our values and love - and I mean love - our people," he said.
Current position: Without the nominee disavowing his past positions, we have to assume Trump's plan will ban all Muslims, plus people from countries with a history of terrorism and people who have hostile attitudes towards America. Trump's plan would admit only people who love America, through Trump himself has indicated that he knows that "there's no way to tell" such a thing.
PROPOSED MUSLIM BAN
1. No Muslims should be allowed to enter the United States —as immigrants or visitors.Donald Trump called for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" in a statement about "preventing Muslim immigration" in December.
2. Ban Muslims from entering but make an exception for friends and Muslims serving in the US military.
He later amended his stance in an interview with Fox News, saying the 5,000 Muslims serving the United States military would be exempt from the ban and allowed to return home from overseas deployments. He also suggested that current Muslim residents — like his "many Muslim friends" — would be exempt, too, and able to come and go freely.
3. The Muslim ban was just an suggestion.
"We have a serious problem, and it's a temporary ban - it hasn't been called for yet, nobody's done it, this is just a suggestion until we find out what's going on," Trump said on in mid-May, softening for the first time in months on the ban.
4. Ban Muslims as a matter of policy, as well as people from countries with a history of terrorism.
In a national security address after the terror attack in Orlando, Trump said that if he's elected he would "suspend immigration from areas of the world where there's a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe or our allies until we fully understand how to end these threats."
5. Ban people from countries with a history of terrorism.
When a reporter asked Trump how he'd feel about a Muslim Scot entering the U.S. while on a trip to visit his golf courses in Scotland, Trump said it "wouldn't bother me." He then went on to emphasize that he did not want "people coming in from the terror countries." When asked, Trump would not name one such country.
6. Ban Muslims from countries with a history of terrorism, and potentially also other Muslims.
That same day, when pressed about how this statement in Scotland jived with Trump's proposal to ban all Muslims from entering the country, spokesman Hope Hicks said that the ban would just apply to Muslims from countries with a history of terrorism. She would not, however, confirm that Muslims residing in peaceful countries would be exempt. NBC News has asked for further clarification.
7. The Muslim ban was never about Muslims.
The next week, one spokesperson wrongly said the initial ban was not about Muslims.
"I know the news media has been reporting that the initial ban was against all Muslims, and that simply was not the case. It's simply for Muslim immigration, and Mr. Trump is adding specifics to clarify what his position is," Katrina Pierson told CNN, though advisers at the time said it was indeed about religion exclusively.
8. Nothing has changed, nothing to see here.
"This is not accurate," spokesperson Hope Hicks said when asked if the policies were changing and removing the word "Muslim." "There has been no change from the exchanges over the weekend."
9. The ban is negotiable.
Campaign manager Paul Manafort in late May said the Muslim ban was negotiable, and how Trump initially articulated it was not what it would turn out in the end. Manafort said the policy is currently that "where there is terrorist activity — Syria or Iraq — we will temporarily suspend immigration until we can establish a vetting system in which we can identify who people are who are coming in."
The government already has a rigorous, nine-step vetting process in place for refugees. Trump has previously included all Syrian refugees, including children and non-Muslims, in the ban.
10. The ban would call for "extreme vetting."
Mid July, Trump told "60 Minutes" that people from suspicious "territories" would receive "a thing called 'extreme vetting.'" He did not describe how "extreme vetting" would differ from the current vetting process.
"Call it whatever you want," Trump told CBS when asked if he was changing his previously released policy.
11. The ban hasn't changed, I just don't like saying the word "Muslim."
On Fox News in late July, Trump told Sean Hannity his position hadn't changed from his initial ban on Muslims entering the country.
"I think my position's gotten bigger, I'm talking about territories now. People don't want me to say Muslim—I guess I'd prefer not saying it, frankly, myself. So we're talking about territories."
12. There's a ban, plus "extreme vetting" that includes an ideological test.
"The time is overdue to develop a new screening test for the threats we face today," Trump said in a speech in mid-August that reiterated his call for "extreme vetting" and reiterated that he'd temporarily ban immigration from some countries that he declined to identify.
He then proposed an ideological test for immigration.
"In addition to screening out all members or sympathizers of terrorist groups, we must also screen out any who have hostile attitudes toward our country or its principles ― or who believe that Sharia law should supplant American law," he said.
13. There's no way to really do an ideological test.
"We don't know if they have love or hate in their heart," Trump said in September, articulating the problem many onlookers have expressed about his ban. "There's no way to tell."
14. Only people who love America are allowed.
Later, despite acknowledging the impossibility of the task, Trump maintained that an ideological test is key to the nation's immigration system.
"We want to make sure we're only admitting those into our country who support our values and love - and I mean love - our people," he said.
Current position: Without the nominee disavowing his past positions, we have to assume Trump's plan will ban all Muslims, plus people from countries with a history of terrorism and people who have hostile attitudes towards America. Trump's plan would admit only people who love America, through Trump himself has indicated that he knows that "there's no way to tell" such a thing.
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Re: Trump's changing policy positions
by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:29 pm
One should refuse to engage in a policy discussion with a person who cannot pass a minimum standard for decency as a human being, let alone his candidacy for presidency. HRC ought to say she will not get on a debate stage with him. To do so would be an acknowledgment that he is a fundamentally decent person. He is not.
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Re: Trump's changing policy positions
by Guest Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:44 pm
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:One should refuse to engage in a policy discussion with a person who cannot pass a minimum standard for decency as a human being, let alone his candidacy for presidency. HRC ought to say she will not get on a debate stage with him. To do so would be an acknowledgment that he is a fundamentally decent person. He is not.
Should always keep in mind what the rest of Trump is, even if you take his crass personality out. Or else there is a risk that people will start equating him to Bill Clinton too much.
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