Three questions from Pakistan that India needs to answer

It is not at all difficult for a common Pakistani to understand how religious extremism works to hold the entire society hostage.

And then the non-state actors make great policy instruments in India in more than one subtle ways. They are the guardians and the guarantors of nationalism. They are a political capital that no party can afford to ignore, come elections. They can choke political discourse, gag dissenters, shape policies and dictate history.

How did India get where it is?

Its constitution is secular. It has been taking pride in its diversity. And they never waged a 'jihad' at their borders.

How did then the religious extremists come to hijack the government and bring the society to its knees?

I could find no answer. I wonder if India can.

confuzzled dude wrote:

It is not at all difficult for a common Pakistani to understand how religious extremism works to hold the entire society hostage.

And then the non-state actors make great policy instruments in India in more than one subtle ways. They are the guardians and the guarantors of nationalism. They are a political capital that no party can afford to ignore, come elections. They can choke political discourse, gag dissenters, shape policies and dictate history.

How did India get where it is?

Its constitution is secular. It has been taking pride in its diversity. And they never waged a 'jihad' at their borders.

How did then the religious extremists come to hijack the government and bring the society to its knees?

I could find no answer. I wonder if India can.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1292196/three-questions-from-pakistan-that-india-needs-to-answer#comments

Well, we hope that the latest jingoistic fervor in India is a temporary phenomenon; Indian media & common man (including from minorities) who openly & regularly chastise Modi, BJP & RSS for their faults, will bring sanity back.

Kinnera wrote:1. Minority appeasement of the political parties for the muslim vote bank as muslims always voted en masse. Muslims playing the minority card. Muslims perceived as religious fanatics for whom their religion came first to everything else. 

2. Muslim leadership's selfish and adamant stand during the ram janmabhumi's row (syed shahbuddin and sultan salauddin owaisi are the major ones to be blamed). If only the ram janmabhumi issue was settled amicably, things would've been quite different today. India is never the same post Ram janmabhumi's meltdown just as america isn't the same after 9/11. If only the muslim leadership was generous and respected the sentiments of millions of hindus and had the abandoned mosque built elsewhere, brick by brick (and even demanding heavy compensation) in exchange for the janmabhumi site, it could've earned a lot of respect, appreciation and admiration of hindus towards muslims. Instead, the opposite happened. Who is the loser now?

3. Nehruvian/leftist/commie mentality that being anti-hindu is secular and liberal and sucking up to the minorities is being generous and large-hearted. Their hypocrisy and double standards irked the hindus. 
Godhra and gujrat riots and the blame game and the role the media played also irked hindus to the point of voting modi to power again and again. 

Ram janmabhumi---->godhra---->gujrat riots----->terrorist acts----->rise of hindu nationalism. See the root cause?

Hindus felt being taken for granted and ultimately became what they hated in the other. 

(these are the brutal facts. As long as there's denial, justification,and blame game of the above, instead of looking within, India will remain as is or will become worse. The indian media chastising 'hindu nationalists' will only have the reverse effect on the indian psyche. It won't bring the sanity back.)

confuzzled dude wrote:

We got it, We got it. Alienation of Muslims is cure for all ills.

southindian wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

It is not at all difficult for a common Pakistani to understand how religious extremism works to hold the entire society hostage.

And then the non-state actors make great policy instruments in India in more than one subtle ways. They are the guardians and the guarantors of nationalism. They are a political capital that no party can afford to ignore, come elections. They can choke political discourse, gag dissenters, shape policies and dictate history.

How did India get where it is?

Its constitution is secular. It has been taking pride in its diversity. And they never waged a 'jihad' at their borders.

How did then the religious extremists come to hijack the government and bring the society to its knees?

I could find no answer. I wonder if India can.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1292196/three-questions-from-pakistan-that-india-needs-to-answer#comments

Well, we hope that the latest jingoistic fervor in India is a temporary phenomenon; Indian media & common man (including from minorities) who openly & regularly chastise Modi, BJP & RSS for their faults, will bring sanity back.

LOL

Pot calling the kettle black...

Arrr... What's the number of Hindu-Muslim riots and riot deaths in India in last 2 years?

I love the word jingo. jingo.. jingo... jingoistic 

Sounds sooo nice....


Idiot, stop spreading Paki stupidity here.

smArtha wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

We got it, We got it. Alienation of Muslims is cure for all ills.

As always you did NOT get it. It is 'Allowing Muslims to alienate themselves well within the confines of their own Medieval Ghettos'

confuzzled dude wrote:

smArtha wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

We got it, We got it. Alienation of Muslims is cure for all ills.

As always you did NOT get it. It is 'Allowing Muslims to alienate themselves well within the confines of their own Medieval Ghettos'

Aha! reminds me of right-wing's notion of blacks in the US.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:1. Minority appeasement of the political parties for the muslim vote bank as muslims always voted en masse. Muslims playing the minority card. Muslims perceived as religious fanatics for whom their religion came first to everything else. 

2. Muslim leadership's selfish and adamant stand during the ram janmabhumi's row (syed shahbuddin and sultan salauddin owaisi are the major ones to be blamed). If only the ram janmabhumi issue was settled amicably, things would've been quite different today. India is never the same post Ram janmabhumi's meltdown just as america isn't the same after 9/11. If only the muslim leadership was generous and respected the sentiments of millions of hindus and had the abandoned mosque built elsewhere, brick by brick (and even demanding heavy compensation) in exchange for the janmabhumi site, it could've earned a lot of respect, appreciation and admiration of hindus towards muslims. Instead, the opposite happened. Who is the loser now?

3. Nehruvian/leftist/commie mentality that being anti-hindu is secular and liberal and sucking up to the minorities is being generous and large-hearted. Their hypocrisy and double standards irked the hindus. 
Godhra and gujrat riots and the blame game and the role the media played also irked hindus to the point of voting modi to power again and again. 

Ram janmabhumi---->godhra---->gujrat riots----->terrorist acts----->rise of hindu nationalism. See the root cause?

Hindus felt being taken for granted and ultimately became what they hated in the other. 

(these are the brutal facts. As long as there's denial, justification,and blame game of the above, instead of looking within, India will remain as is or will become worse. The indian media chastising 'hindu nationalists' will only have the reverse effect on the indian psyche. It won't bring the sanity back.)

We got it, We got it. Alienation of Muslims is cure for all ills.

Kinnera wrote:
Who alienates who? Muslims are the ones who alienate themselves from the rest. They want everybody to suck up to them, but they never give in. This is the root of the problem. The pakistani who wrote the article didn't get it, neither did you (you probably got it, but you don't want to accept it. You love playing the muslim victim card). They never change, while playing victim when others behave like them.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Who alienates who? Muslims are the ones who alienate themselves from the rest. They want everybody to suck up to them, but they never give in. This is the root of the problem. The pakistani who wrote the article didn't get it, neither did you (you probably got it, but you don't want to accept it. You love playing the muslim victim card). They never change, while playing victim when others behave like them.

Really! how many of your friends or relatives are ready to rent houses to/from Muslims?

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Who alienates who? Muslims are the ones who alienate themselves from the rest. They want everybody to suck up to them, but they never give in. This is the root of the problem. The pakistani who wrote the article didn't get it, neither did you (you probably got it, but you don't want to accept it. You love playing the muslim victim card). They never change, while playing victim when others behave like them.

Really! how many of your friends or relatives are ready to rent houses to/from Muslims?

Don't know about renting. My parents sold their house to muslims. The transaction went smoothly. The buyers were happy, the sellers were happy.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Who alienates who? Muslims are the ones who alienate themselves from the rest. They want everybody to suck up to them, but they never give in. This is the root of the problem. The pakistani who wrote the article didn't get it, neither did you (you probably got it, but you don't want to accept it. You love playing the muslim victim card). They never change, while playing victim when others behave like them.

Really! how many of your friends or relatives are ready to rent houses to/from Muslims?

Don't know about renting. My parents sold their house to muslims. The transaction went smoothly. The buyers were happy, the sellers were happy.

Apples and Oranges. Majority of India treats SCs and Muslims alike.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Who alienates who? Muslims are the ones who alienate themselves from the rest. They want everybody to suck up to them, but they never give in. This is the root of the problem. The pakistani who wrote the article didn't get it, neither did you (you probably got it, but you don't want to accept it. You love playing the muslim victim card). They never change, while playing victim when others behave like them.

Really! how many of your friends or relatives are ready to rent houses to/from Muslims?

Don't know about renting. My parents sold their house to muslims. The transaction went smoothly. The buyers were happy, the sellers were happy.

Apples and Oranges. Majority of India treats SCs and Muslims alike.

Nonsense.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
Really! how many of your friends or relatives are ready to rent houses to/from Muslims?

Don't know about renting. My parents sold their house to muslims. The transaction went smoothly. The buyers were happy, the sellers were happy.

Apples and Oranges. Majority of India treats SCs and Muslims alike.

Nonsense.

Sir, Brahmins, not long ago, (probably your parents/grand parents too), used to not allow non-brahmin Hindus let alone Muslims into their houses nor let them touch them. Some still practice this.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Don't know about renting. My parents sold their house to muslims. The transaction went smoothly. The buyers were happy, the sellers were happy.

Apples and Oranges. Majority of India treats SCs and Muslims alike.

Nonsense.

Sir, Brahmins, not long ago, (probably your parents/grand parents too), used to not allow non-brahmin Hindus let alone Muslims into their houses nor let them touch them. Some still practice this.

Does your family in India allow everyone on the street to enter family's residence (especially the kitchen)?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
Apples and Oranges. Majority of India treats SCs and Muslims alike.

Nonsense.

Sir, Brahmins, not long ago, (probably your parents/grand parents too), used to not allow non-brahmin Hindus let alone Muslims into their houses nor let them touch them. Some still practice this.

Does your family in India allow everyone on the street to enter family's residence (especially the kitchen)?

Hahaha! Thanks for proving my point.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Nonsense.

Sir, Brahmins, not long ago, (probably your parents/grand parents too), used to not allow non-brahmin Hindus let alone Muslims into their houses nor let them touch them. Some still practice this.

Does your family in India allow everyone on the street to enter family's residence (especially the kitchen)?

Hahaha! Thanks for proving my point.

Keep on hallucinating in your absurdity.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
Sir, Brahmins, not long ago, (probably your parents/grand parents too), used to not allow non-brahmin Hindus let alone Muslims into their houses nor let them touch them. Some still practice this.

Does your family in India allow everyone on the street to enter family's residence (especially the kitchen)?

Hahaha! Thanks for proving my point.

Keep on hallucinating in your absurdity.

At least I'm not in complete denial like you.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Does your family in India allow everyone on the street to enter family's residence (especially the kitchen)?

Hahaha! Thanks for proving my point.

Keep on hallucinating in your absurdity.

At least I'm not in complete denial like you.

Let's see if you can answer the question on who led the movement prior to 1947 (India's Independence from the Brits) with the slogan "Muslims can't live with Hindus" seeking a separate country for his community which supported him wholeheartedly leading to India's partition)?

Rani Singh wrote:Don't you have anything better to do?
Why rake up all the controversial issues?