What did she expect?

by MulaiAzhagi Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:57 pm

Jodie Fisher posed for Playboy when she was a student at Texas Tech.

She was later hired by Hewelett Packard to be a hostess. Her job was to accompany Mark Hurd the then CEO of HP to events all around the world.

She is now suing Mark Hurd for sexually harassing her. Her lawer Gloria Allred in a letter to Mark accuses him of treating Jodie as a sex object.

My question is this: why do you expect a man to treat you anything other than a sex object when you had posed naked for Playboy?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/30/mark-hurd-sexual-harassment-letter_n_1176144.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/30/business/note-that-led-to-downfall-of-hewlett-chief-surfaces.html?_r=1

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:15 pm

CEO having a hostess???

for what ? open the door? pack the bags ? why not hire a matron or a 60 yr wal-mart oldie?

Of course both parties "knew" what the position involved... Suddenly the girl is all playing holy?

by Guest Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:29 pm

So if a woman poses for playboy, does it automatically give license to men to sexaully harass her? Ridiculous!

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:42 pm

kinnera wrote:So if a woman poses for playboy, does it automatically give license to men to sexaully harass her? Ridiculous!

If only women are clearcut with a yes or no, instead of expecting men to "understand" a woman's feelings, men's behavior will never be construed as harassment.

Take for ex our own Pottyman: what he says is construed as harassment by some women while some other women consider that cute and giggly... with such confused mindset exhibited by gthe female species what do you expect men to do.

by Guest Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:55 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
kinnera wrote:So if a woman poses for playboy, does it automatically give license to men to sexaully harass her? Ridiculous!

If only women are clearcut with a yes or no, instead of expecting men to "understand" a woman's feelings, men's behavior will never be construed as harassment.

Take for ex our own Pottyman: what he says is construed as harassment by some women while some other women consider that cute and giggly... with such confused mindset exhibited by gthe female species what do you expect men to do.

On the pretext of showing her some documents for China’s vice premier, the letter says, Mr. Hurd invited Ms. Fisher to his room at the Ritz-Carlton, where Mr. Hurd propositioned her.

“Ms. Fisher was horrified,” the letter says, and after an hour of refusals, she eventually left. “You told her that no one had ever rejected you before and were clearly miffed.” After describing several such encounters in detail, the letter says that Ms. Fisher’s employment with H.P. ended.

The woman seems to have said a clear no. We don't know the whole story. Anyway, that doesn't have anything to do with u guys going, 'well..she's was a playboy model. what does she expect'. That was my contention.

btw, she was hired as an 'event hostess' for HP.

wrt, bittu, ya..we have some women who have mood swings with bittu over here. They gotta decide clearly whether he's a harasser or an entertainer and act accordingly.

by Propagandhi711 Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:17 pm

this dork couldnt get a younger, more pliable model to harass? making 30+ mil a year and going after this dried out prune of an exhooker. he deserves to be kicked out for bad judgement. his new boss ellison coulda given him pointers on that. jackpot payday for this fading old 'beauty'.

by chameli Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:51 pm

mulaiazhagi,

a very askanced look at a woman ..from you

Jodie coud be posing nude for any and every magazine for all we know that gives nobody a license to harass her sexually .

what did she expect ? a decent employer for sure

by chameli Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:56 pm

propa,

if it were upto you you woukd go for a 15 year old virigin but that would be against the law and you would be deep shit in trouble

what is it about you and your upbringing that insults mature women time and time again ?

by MulaiAzhagi Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:00 pm

Chameli,

A woman who strips, spreads her legs apart and poses for a magazine for money really knows what she is doing. What exactly was she thinking? She perfectly knew that a lot of men would be looking at her picture with lustful eyes and some in fact may post her picture on their bathroom walls and do unspeakable things.

And now she is behaving as if she had been a nun so far. If she wanted to be treated with respect then she should have carried herself exuding self -respect.

Women with even an iota of self-respect will never do what she did.

by chameli Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:33 pm

mulai

its play boy magazine some decent girls have appeared on its center spread including famed feminist gloria steinem

its not as if it is Hustler .

the same goes for girls who dress loosely or go to bars late at night .

they are liable to be harassed according to you they should be raped .

Even if a pretty sexy girl is covered head to toe men will lust after her

take my word for it

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:14 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:this dork couldnt get a younger, more pliable model to harass? making 30+ mil a year and going after this dried out prune of an exhooker. he deserves to be kicked out for bad judgement. his new boss ellison coulda given him pointers on that. jackpot payday for this fading old 'beauty'.

Totally agree with you...a 52-yr old croc lady is all he can get and turned down?

No wonder HP is such deep shyt with such idiots.

by charvaka Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:58 am

MulaiAzhagi wrote:A woman who strips, spreads her legs apart and poses for a magazine for money really knows what she is doing. What exactly was she thinking? She perfectly knew that a lot of men would be looking at her picture with lustful eyes and some in fact may post her picture on their bathroom walls and do unspeakable things.

Nonsense. If a woman has posed naked in Playboy, that doesn't give creepy unkils like Hurd the right to sexually harass her.

MulaiAzhagi wrote:And now she is behaving as if she had been a nun so far. If she wanted to be treated with respect then she should have carried herself exuding self -respect.

Thankfully, the law on sexual harassment at the workplace wasn't written by you. The law as it stands does not say, "you can harass a woman if she is not a nun" or "you can harass a woman if she didn't carry herself exuding self-respect."

MulaiAzhagi wrote:Women with even an iota of self-respect will never do what she did.

And men with an iota of self-respect will never do what Hurd did... trying to abuse his position as CEO to get an employee into bed. As it appears, in this case, it was the man who broke the law.

by MulaiAzhagi Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:23 am

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0167546/

===> Intimate obsession and body influence?

by Guest Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:50 am

MulaiAzhagi wrote:http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0167546/

===> Intimate obsession and body influence?

The CEO guy shld've had some sense. He is the one to be blamed.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:39 am

i wonder if the total failure to grasp american notions of personal space, propriety in behavior with women, and more importanly sexual harassment laws in the workplace of the kind displayed by sara boji here is what leads some new indian immigrants to the US into trouble with the law. what's surprising is that sara boji is hardly a new immigrant.

by MulaiAzhagi Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:56 am

Max,

1. I did not support anyone sexually harassing women in the workplace. I do not condone Max Hurd's behavior of groping her without her permission.

2. Max Hurd who "harassed" her is not an immigrant from India either.

3. My point is this woman by her past behavior has "signalled" that she would do anything for money. That is why the former CEO of HP took her to an ATM, printed out his checking account balance and showed it to impress her and then asked her to sleep with him.

4. If you behave like a slut, you will be treated like a slut.

5. She can sue him for all the money she wants and she may get it because of the man's unlawful behavior.

6. My original question stands: what did she expect? Did she expect him to treat her with great respect?

7. Talking about impropreity, do you think posing naked for hundreds of millions of men to see her uncovered vagina is an act of propreity? We are not talking about a woman visiting a male gynecologist for pre-natal check up here.

8. Anita Hill carried herself far more admirably than Jodie Fisher. That is why she had so many women in America sympathising with her when she told the world about how she was harassed her in the work place.

9. Forget about new Indian immigrants, why do you think so many American men get into trouble in the workplace with women?

by MulaiAzhagi Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:02 pm

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/cannes_do_jodie_films_raunchy_romp_IseayPVE8dcHD9vXv24OJN

===> Modern day Sita Devi AKA Jodie Fisher

by charvaka Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:13 pm

MulaiAzhagi wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/cannes_do_jodie_films_raunchy_romp_IseayPVE8dcHD9vXv24OJN

===> Modern day Sita Devi AKA Jodie Fisher

The laws against workplace harassment apply not just to Sita but to all employees regardless of what they do outside work.

by artood2 Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:28 pm

she just expected to know the bank balance so she knows what she should sue for.

by Kris Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:06 pm

MulaiAzhagi wrote:Jodie Fisher posed for Playboy when she was a student at Texas Tech.

She was later hired by Hewelett Packard to be a hostess. Her job was to accompany Mark Hurd the then CEO of HP to events all around the world.

She is now suing Mark Hurd for sexually harassing her. Her lawer Gloria Allred in a letter to Mark accuses him of treating Jodie as a sex object.

My question is this: why do you expect a man to treat you anything other than a sex object when you had posed naked for Playboy?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/30/mark-hurd-sexual-harassment-letter_n_1176144.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/30/business/note-that-led-to-downfall-of-hewlett-chief-surfaces.html?_r=1

>>>> I think you are missing the point here. If Hurd had met her in a bar and propositioned her, your question would have some validity. In this case, she was an HP employee and with that comes certain rights, be she Mother Theresa or an erstwhile Hollywood streetwalker. Hurd is an idiot.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:40 pm

Kris wrote:
MulaiAzhagi wrote:Jodie Fisher posed for Playboy when she was a student at Texas Tech.

She was later hired by Hewelett Packard to be a hostess. Her job was to accompany Mark Hurd the then CEO of HP to events all around the world.

She is now suing Mark Hurd for sexually harassing her. Her lawer Gloria Allred in a letter to Mark accuses him of treating Jodie as a sex object.

My question is this: why do you expect a man to treat you anything other than a sex object when you had posed naked for Playboy?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/30/mark-hurd-sexual-harassment-letter_n_1176144.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/30/business/note-that-led-to-downfall-of-hewlett-chief-surfaces.html?_r=1

>>>> I think you are missing the point here. If Hurd had met her in a bar and propositioned her, your question would have some validity. In this case, she was an HP employee and with that comes certain rights, be she Mother Theresa or an erstwhile Hollywood streetwalker. Hurd is an idiot.

All said and done...Hurd is a turd. and also not a smart businessman... he should try to get the best for anything. And this is all he could get....?

Now, legally speaking, acting as Hurd's lawyer, although Ms. Foster worked at HP, did Mr. Hurd make the alleged repeated moves during the work hours ? in the HP building?

If YES to any of the above questions, then Ms. Foster was only a contract employee, and hence she should sue her own company for putting her in such an unfriendly work env OR, her company should sue HP for treating their employee unprofessionally.

I think Ms. Foster and my colleague Gloria are walking on thin ice.

(But, still will settle in the end for an undisclosed amount, and another playboy photoshoot for $500K)

by artood2 Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:11 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Kris wrote:
MulaiAzhagi wrote:Jodie Fisher posed for Playboy when she was a student at Texas Tech.

She was later hired by Hewelett Packard to be a hostess. Her job was to accompany Mark Hurd the then CEO of HP to events all around the world.

She is now suing Mark Hurd for sexually harassing her. Her lawer Gloria Allred in a letter to Mark accuses him of treating Jodie as a sex object.

My question is this: why do you expect a man to treat you anything other than a sex object when you had posed naked for Playboy?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/30/mark-hurd-sexual-harassment-letter_n_1176144.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/30/business/note-that-led-to-downfall-of-hewlett-chief-surfaces.html?_r=1

>>>> I think you are missing the point here. If Hurd had met her in a bar and propositioned her, your question would have some validity. In this case, she was an HP employee and with that comes certain rights, be she Mother Theresa or an erstwhile Hollywood streetwalker. Hurd is an idiot.

All said and done...Hurd is a turd. and also not a smart businessman... he should try to get the best for anything. And this is all he could get....?

Now, legally speaking, acting as Hurd's lawyer, although Ms. Foster worked at HP, did Mr. Hurd make the alleged repeated moves during the work hours ? in the HP building?

I think those questions do not matter. Even though she was a contract employee (not sure if she was employed by another firm), Hurd was her supervisor and had the power to influence her livelihood. The hours are irrelevant. She can always claim that she wasa called for official business. Hurd is an idiot and the gold mine found the gold digger.

by Kris Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:21 pm

If YES to any of the above questions, then Ms. Foster was only a contract employee, and hence she should sue her own company for putting her in such an unfriendly work env OR, her company should sue HP for treating their employee unprofessionally.

>>>Even if it was a de facto supervisor- employee relationship, that is sufficient. She can sue her her firm and HP. Of course, if this was a contract situation, her company can also sue HP. HP gets the short end of the stick, no matter what. Can't believe how guys like Hurd can be entrusted with making management decisions.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:01 pm

sara boji -- don't have the patience to answer your numbered posts. you appear thoroughly confused. the woman's choice to strip for playboy is irrelevant. you want to know what she expects. she expects what you expect -- not to be fondled by your boss.

by charvaka Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:56 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:she expects what you expect -- not to be fondled by your boss.

Haha. Unless she does expect to be, with that name that no self respecting woman might take.

by MulaiAzhagi Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:55 am

===> The irony is that even without groping that ex-playmate cum porn actress, the man would have gotten into trouble if he had just posted her naked playboy picture in his office.

She would have still sued him for sexual harassment and for creating a hostile working environment.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:58 am

SB:

time to upgrade your news service - this is the new year 2012.

Do you have any stories on female boss harassing female co-worker or a male boss harassing male subordinate?

We need to venture into more legally difficult situations.

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