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Synthesis: Uttar Pradesh's contribution to Tamil language

Post by Rashmun on Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:59 am

The Tamil city of Madurai is named after the Uttar Pradeshi city of Mathura. However, since the Tamil language has no 'tha' sound, Tamilians were obliged to changed Mathura to Madura which became Madurai. 

Similarly, the Tamil city of Tenkasi is named after the city of Kashi (Benaras or Varanasi) in UP. Tenkasi means Southern Kasi.

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Re: Synthesis: Uttar Pradesh's contribution to Tamil language

Post by garam_kuta on Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:44 am

O'tha douchemun..haven't you heard?

first, it's not tamil, it's thamizh and you are peddling this crap, after all these years? shame on you. time for bhaiya's bata therapy for you? Razz

Thirukural :
Thupparku thuppaya thuppakki thupparku
Thuppaya thoovum mazhai
Thirukural In Tamil :
துப்பார்க்குத் துப்பாய துப்பாக்கித் துப்பார்க்குத்
துப்பாய தூஉம் மழை
Kural 12, Vaansirappu

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Re: Synthesis: Uttar Pradesh's contribution to Tamil language

Post by Kayalvizhi on Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:52 am

Thanks, GK, for educating Rasmun

The Tamil City Mathurai, the ancient capital of Pandya dynasty did not come from northerners.

Mathi-rai changed to Mathurai over the years. (kuthi-rai = kuthirai. kuthi - jump, kuthirai - horse)

Mathi = moon, the celestial symbol of Pandyas. Sun is the celestial symbol of Cholas.

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Re: Synthesis: Uttar Pradesh's contribution to Tamil language

Post by Rashmun on Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:57 am

garam_kuta wrote:O'tha douchemun..haven't you heard?

first, it's not tamil, it's thamizh and you are peddling this crap, after all these years? shame on you. time for bhaiya's bata therapy for you?  Razz

Thirukural :
Thupparku thuppaya thuppakki thupparku
Thuppaya thoovum mazhai
Thirukural In Tamil :
துப்பார்க்குத் துப்பாய துப்பாக்கித் துப்பார்க்குத்
துப்பாய தூஉம் மழை
Kural 12, Vaansirappu

the 'tha' sound in thamizh or Thirukural (the soft 't') is different from the 'tha' sound in Mathura. The 'tha' sound in Mathura is the same as the 'tha' sound in Katha. this sound is absent in the Tamil language.

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Re: Synthesis: Uttar Pradesh's contribution to Tamil language

Post by garam_kuta on Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:21 pm

Rashmun wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:O'tha douchemun..haven't you heard?

first, it's not tamil, it's thamizh and you are peddling this crap, after all these years? shame on you. time for bhaiya's bata therapy for you?  Razz

Thirukural :
Thupparku thuppaya thuppakki thupparku
Thuppaya thoovum mazhai
Thirukural In Tamil :
துப்பார்க்குத் துப்பாய துப்பாக்கித் துப்பார்க்குத்
துப்பாய தூஉம் மழை
Kural 12, Vaansirappu

the 'tha' sound in thamizh or Thirukural (the soft 't') is different from the 'tha' sound in Mathura. The 'tha' sound in Mathura is the same as the 'tha' sound in Katha. this sound is absent in the Tamil language.

aiyO..raama...guttural associations, eh? ...try kaththi, sword in thamizh, for size.

Can't wake up someone who pretends to be asleep.

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Re: Synthesis: Uttar Pradesh's contribution to Tamil language

Post by Rashmun on Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:47 pm

garam_kuta wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:O'tha douchemun..haven't you heard?

first, it's not tamil, it's thamizh and you are peddling this crap, after all these years? shame on you. time for bhaiya's bata therapy for you?  Razz

Thirukural :
Thupparku thuppaya thuppakki thupparku
Thuppaya thoovum mazhai
Thirukural In Tamil :
துப்பார்க்குத் துப்பாய துப்பாக்கித் துப்பார்க்குத்
துப்பாய தூஉம் மழை
Kural 12, Vaansirappu

the 'tha' sound in thamizh or Thirukural (the soft 't') is different from the 'tha' sound in Mathura. The 'tha' sound in Mathura is the same as the 'tha' sound in Katha. this sound is absent in the Tamil language.

aiyO..raama...guttural associations, eh? ...try kaththi, sword in thamizh, for size.

Can't wake up someone who pretends to be asleep.

Sorry, no cigar.

Here is the Aathi song from the tamil film Kaththi:



Here is the hindi song Tham Ke baras:



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now consider this tamil song Thoda Thoda Malardhadhenna:



now the same Thoda Thoda song, but this time in Hindi:



just compare the 'thoda thoda' in the hindi song with the 'thoda thoda' in the tamil song and you will know what i mean when i say that tamil does not have the 'tha' sound of hindi (and sanskrit). instead of 'tha', a tamilian unfamiliar with sanskrit and hindi will pronounce 'tha' as 'ta' (with the soft 't') since the tamil language does not have the 'tha' sound of hindi and sanskrit.

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Re: Synthesis: Uttar Pradesh's contribution to Tamil language

Post by garam_kuta on Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:11 pm

hahaha..stop beeswaxing -looks like you ears need a powerwash  No
at 0:52


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Re: Synthesis: Uttar Pradesh's contribution to Tamil language

Post by Rashmun on Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:25 pm

garam_kuta wrote:hahaha..stop beeswaxing -looks like you ears need a powerwash  No
at 0:52


i am still not hearing  the 'tha' sound of hindi and sanskrit and i did start at 0:52 in the first video. the reason is very simple: tamil does not possess this sound in its repertoire. i am amazed that with respect to the 'tha' sound i know more about the tamil language than the tamilians on this forum.


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Re: Synthesis: Uttar Pradesh's contribution to Tamil language

Post by Rashmun on Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:27 pm

for the purpose of comparison, its probably best to stick to these two songs:


the  tamil song Thoda Thoda Malardhadhenna:



now the same Thoda Thoda song, but this time in Hindi:



just  compare the 'thoda thoda' in the hindi song with the 'thoda thoda' in the tamil song and you will know what i am trying to explain. the 'thoda thoda' in the tamil song is being pronounced 'toda toda' (with a soft 't').

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Re: Synthesis: Uttar Pradesh's contribution to Tamil language

Post by garam_kuta on Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:00 pm

it's the stretch rather than the stress.  use a timer
anyways, if you can't get the guttural 'th' in O'tha or kaththi or in thathi thathi, it's just that you are the incorrigible my rabbit has 3 legs type.

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Re: Synthesis: Uttar Pradesh's contribution to Tamil language

Post by silvermani on Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:59 pm

garam_kuta wrote:it's the stretch rather than the stress.  use a timer
anyways, if you can't get the guttural 'th' in O'tha or kaththi or in thathi thathi, it's just that you are the incorrigible my rabbit has 3 legs type.
Been a long time since I heard O'tha Very Happy It was a frequently heard word during my hostel stay. I will probably hear it a lot during a college mates' get together I am attending this December because old habits die hard.
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Re: Synthesis: Uttar Pradesh's contribution to Tamil language

Post by garam_kuta on Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:24 pm

silvermani wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:it's the stretch rather than the stress.  use a timer
anyways, if you can't get the guttural 'th' in O'tha or kaththi or in thathi thathi, it's just that you are the incorrigible my rabbit has 3 legs type.
Been a long time since I heard O'tha Very Happy It was a frequently heard word during my hostel stay. I will probably hear it a lot during a college mates' get together I am attending this December because old habits die hard.

most versatile expression for all emotions!

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