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Sabarimala Temple Opens After Day Of Protests, Women Stopped

Post by Seva Lamberdar on Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:36 am

https://www.ndtv.com/kerala-news/sabarimala-protests-journalists-attacked-by-mob-near-sabarimala-ndtv-crew-blocked-10-points-1933501

>>> God belongs to both men and women equally, including women in their menstruating years.
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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:45 pm

There is a very quick and easy solution to this controversy, which will leave every bit player involved, including the Supreme Court, political parties, the media. male "devotees" (those keeping, or not keeping, 'vrata' for 40 days prior to doing puja at Sabarimala) and various men and women of questionable motives as totally dumbfounded and having nothing to do suddenly anymore.

The temple president / priest should privately, and without prior notice, invite / allow a couple of young, menstruating age (10-50 yrs) women to do puja in the temple in the middle of night, when there is not much rush of people and media, and post the pictures of women doing puja afterwards on the FB etc., followed by the announcement on the temple noticeboard that women are not restricted to enter and do puja to Lord Ayyappa at Sabarimala temple. Lord Ayyappa won't mind it (he might even be pleased with the temple president / priest), and people don't have to worry about his 'brahamcharya' (celibacy).
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Post by confuzzled dude on Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:47 pm

“I am nobody to speak against the Supreme Court verdict as I am a serving cabinet minister. But just plain common sense is that would you carry a napkin seeped with menstrual blood and walk into a friend’s house? You would not.

“And would you think it is respectful to do the same when you walk into the house of god? That is the difference,” she said in response to a question on the Sabarimala controversy.

“I have the right to pray, but no right to desecrate. That is the difference that we need to recognise and respect,” Irani, the minister of textiles, said.

Irani was speaking at the “Young Thinkers” conference organised by the British high commission and the Observer Research Foundation.
The irony is she was speaking at the "Young Thinkers" conference. Shame on them for inviting a person who belongs to a party of backward thinking ideology, to speak.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:09 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
“I am nobody to speak against the Supreme Court verdict as I am a serving cabinet minister. But just plain common sense is that would you carry a napkin seeped with menstrual blood and walk into a friend’s house? You would not.

“And would you think it is respectful to do the same when you walk into the house of god? That is the difference,” she said in response to a question on the Sabarimala controversy.

“I have the right to pray, but no right to desecrate. That is the difference that we need to recognise and respect,” Irani, the minister of textiles, said.

Irani was speaking at the “Young Thinkers” conference organised by the British high commission and the Observer Research Foundation.
The irony is she was speaking at the "Young Thinkers" conference. Shame on them for inviting a person who belongs to a party of backward thinking ideology, to speak.
That's why the Sabarimala temple / shrine  President (or priest) should put an end to this needless controversy immediately by inviting inside the temple a few willing young women (anyone in the 10-50 age group and during non-menstruating time of the month) and have them do puja to Lord Ayyappa.
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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:02 pm

Btw, traditions and customs which are out-of-date, make no sense anymore and are detrimental to society should be stopped according to the Mimamsa. Furthermore, there is no mention in the Rig Veda on excluding women from Vedic / Hindu yajna, which certainly applies to all places of Hindu worship including Hindu temples and shrines.

It is therefore quite reasonable, even holy, on the part of Hindu women in the fertility age group (10-50 yrs.) to seek lifting of ban on their entry to Sabarimala shrine to worship and pray to Lord Ayyappa, while they are clean and not in their monthly menstruation cycle.

This demand by fertility age (10-50 yrs.) Hindu women to enter Sabarimala shrine to worship and pray to Lord Ayyappa, like Hindu males of all ages and the very young and very old Hindu females can freely do currently, is not just a gender issue socially between Hindu men and women. It is also to restore the spiritual / holy sanity that God (including as Deity Ayyappa in Sabarimala shrine) can be sought, approached and worshiped equally by men and women of all ages.
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Post by Seva Lamberdar on Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:44 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Btw, traditions and customs which are out-of-date, make no sense anymore and are detrimental to society should be stopped according to the Mimamsa. Furthermore, there is no mention in the Rig Veda on excluding women from Vedic / Hindu yajna, which certainly applies to all places of Hindu worship including Hindu temples and shrines.

It is therefore quite reasonable, even holy, on the part of Hindu women in the fertility age group (10-50 yrs.) to seek lifting of ban on their entry to Sabarimala shrine to worship and pray to Lord Ayyappa, while they are clean and not in their monthly menstruation cycle.

This demand by fertility age (10-50 yrs.) Hindu women to enter Sabarimala shrine to worship and pray to Lord Ayyappa, like Hindu males of all ages and the very young and very old Hindu females can freely do currently, is not just a gender issue socially between Hindu men and women. It is also to restore the spiritual / holy sanity that God (including as Deity Ayyappa in Sabarimala shrine) can be sought, approached and worshiped equally by men and women of all ages.

Considering also that male Hindu "devotees" of all kinds and in all age groups, with even many physical shortcomings and moral flaws (some of them in the past and even presently engaged in cheating, lying, corruption and bribes, using drugs and alcohol etc., exploiting / harming and taking undue advantage of others including attacking / molesting unsuspecting women sexually) can freely enter the shrine and offer prayer and worship to the deity while thinking and believing that their presence inside the shrine does not undermine and offend Lord's sense and sensibilities (including his brahamcharya), then there is hardly any reason to think that the entry to the shrine by fertile Hindu female devotees (10-50 yrs. age, who are clean and not in the monthly periods) will have any negative consequences in terms of Lord getting offended or having his brahamcharya (celibacy) affected.
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