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An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Guest Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:51 pm
From what i know, the case is currently still going on in the Indian supreme court.
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Sanskrit scuffle in temple
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
Chennai, March 3: A Sanskrit-versus-Tamil row yesterday led to police and priests pushing and shoving each other at the Nataraja temple in Chidambaram, one of Tamil Nadu’s most popular shrines.
The priests had stopped devotional singer Arumugasamy from climbing up to the mukhamandapam, the elevated enclosure next to the sanctum sanctorum, to sing Tamil hymns. When the police came to the bard’s rescue, a scuffle broke out.
The priests use the mukhamandapam to pray to the deity in Sanskrit. Hymns from the Thevaram anthology, part of the Tamil Saiva Siddantha tradition, are allowed in a lower enclosure.
Arumugasamy has challenged the tradition in court, saying the temple should treat Tamil on a par with Sanskrit.
“We are not against the rendition of hymns from the Thevaram; the difference is only about which enclosure they should be sung from,” a temple source said over the phone.
Tamil enthusiasts say the Thevaram hymns should be sung right inside the mukhamandapam.
Arumugasamy rode an elephant to the temple at the head of an army of fans, apparently armed with a favourable directive from the state government’s Hindu religious and charitable endowments department.
Police reinforcements had already been sent to the temple in the morning, and they allowed only 25 devotees to accompany Arumugasamy inside the temple.
As the police and priests jostled after he was stopped, Arumugasamy succeeded in reaching the mukhamandapam and singing a hymn, some eyewitnesses said. They said the singer was then escorted down by officers and led outside. Others questioned this account.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080304/jsp/nation/story_8977037.jsp
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Sanskrit scuffle in temple
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
Chennai, March 3: A Sanskrit-versus-Tamil row yesterday led to police and priests pushing and shoving each other at the Nataraja temple in Chidambaram, one of Tamil Nadu’s most popular shrines.
The priests had stopped devotional singer Arumugasamy from climbing up to the mukhamandapam, the elevated enclosure next to the sanctum sanctorum, to sing Tamil hymns. When the police came to the bard’s rescue, a scuffle broke out.
The priests use the mukhamandapam to pray to the deity in Sanskrit. Hymns from the Thevaram anthology, part of the Tamil Saiva Siddantha tradition, are allowed in a lower enclosure.
Arumugasamy has challenged the tradition in court, saying the temple should treat Tamil on a par with Sanskrit.
“We are not against the rendition of hymns from the Thevaram; the difference is only about which enclosure they should be sung from,” a temple source said over the phone.
Tamil enthusiasts say the Thevaram hymns should be sung right inside the mukhamandapam.
Arumugasamy rode an elephant to the temple at the head of an army of fans, apparently armed with a favourable directive from the state government’s Hindu religious and charitable endowments department.
Police reinforcements had already been sent to the temple in the morning, and they allowed only 25 devotees to accompany Arumugasamy inside the temple.
As the police and priests jostled after he was stopped, Arumugasamy succeeded in reaching the mukhamandapam and singing a hymn, some eyewitnesses said. They said the singer was then escorted down by officers and led outside. Others questioned this account.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080304/jsp/nation/story_8977037.jsp
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Guest Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:55 pm
The priests say that within the sanctum sanctorum of the shrine only sanskrit prayers are to be used since that has been a part of the tradition of this temple since the beginning. Many tamilians say this is a discriminatory practice and that tamil prayers should also be offered from within the sanctum sanctorum.
I have to confess that this issue is a dilemma for me. I would be interested to know what others here think about it.
I have to confess that this issue is a dilemma for me. I would be interested to know what others here think about it.
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by MulaiAzhagi Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:07 pm
====> I think the priests are better off letting this man sing wherever he wants to. It is not as if he wanted to slaughter a cow or a pig at the sanctom sanctorium. So far and no further.
The irony is that at the Siva Vishnu Temple in Maryland a guy named Gowda who is a medical doctor was so furious that the priests from Andhra and Karnataka sing Tamil hymns for Lord Venkateswara. He strongly felt that this is the handiwork of the Mandagam Iyengars. He feels that the prayers should be done in Sanskrit and Tamil should not be any part of it. Once he carried a big sign which said 'stop discrimination' and walked around the temple. In a meeting, he blasted the priests from Andhra for going along with this practice. He yelled at them "Have you forgotten that Sri Prakasam sacrificed his life for you?."
The irony is that at the Siva Vishnu Temple in Maryland a guy named Gowda who is a medical doctor was so furious that the priests from Andhra and Karnataka sing Tamil hymns for Lord Venkateswara. He strongly felt that this is the handiwork of the Mandagam Iyengars. He feels that the prayers should be done in Sanskrit and Tamil should not be any part of it. Once he carried a big sign which said 'stop discrimination' and walked around the temple. In a meeting, he blasted the priests from Andhra for going along with this practice. He yelled at them "Have you forgotten that Sri Prakasam sacrificed his life for you?."
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Guest Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:10 pm
MulaiAzhagi wrote:====> I think the priests are better off letting this man sing wherever he wants to. It is not as if he wanted to slaughter a cow or a pig at the sanctom sanctorium. So far and no further.
The irony is that at the Siva Vishnu Temple in Maryland a guy named Gowda who is a medical doctor was so furious that the priests from Andhra and Karnataka sing Tamil hymns for Lord Venkateswara. He strongly felt that this is the handiwork of the Mandagam Iyengars. He feels that the prayers should be done in Sanskrit and Tamil should not be any part of it. Once he carried a big sign which said 'stop discrimination' and walked around the temple. In a meeting, he blasted the priests from Andhra for going along with this practice. He yelled at them "Have you forgotten that Sri Prakasam sacrificed his life for you?."
Who is Sri Prakasam?
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by MulaiAzhagi Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:22 pm
Who is Sri Prakasam?
==> He was the guy who died after fasting many days demanding the creation of the state of Andhra?
==> He was the guy who died after fasting many days demanding the creation of the state of Andhra?
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Kayalvizhi Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:25 pm
>> Who is Sri Prakasam?
Were you unable to reach google site?
Were you unable to reach google site?
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Kayalvizhi Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:28 pm
>> He was the guy who died after fasting many days demanding the creation of the state of Andhra?
Really? I thought he was a governor
Really? I thought he was a governor
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by MulaiAzhagi Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:30 pm
===> Oops.
It was this man Dr. Gowda was talikng about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potti_Sreeramulu
It was this man Dr. Gowda was talikng about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potti_Sreeramulu
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by charvaka Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:17 pm
You, sir, live an interesting life thanks to the excellent company you keep.MulaiAzhagi wrote:====> I think the priests are better off letting this man sing wherever he wants to. It is not as if he wanted to slaughter a cow or a pig at the sanctom sanctorium. So far and no further.
The irony is that at the Siva Vishnu Temple in Maryland a guy named Gowda who is a medical doctor was so furious that the priests from Andhra and Karnataka sing Tamil hymns for Lord Venkateswara. He strongly felt that this is the handiwork of the Mandagam Iyengars. He feels that the prayers should be done in Sanskrit and Tamil should not be any part of it. Once he carried a big sign which said 'stop discrimination' and walked around the temple. In a meeting, he blasted the priests from Andhra for going along with this practice. He yelled at them "Have you forgotten that Sri Prakasam sacrificed his life for you?."
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Guest Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:22 pm
charvaka wrote:You, sir, live an interesting life thanks to the excellent company you keep.MulaiAzhagi wrote:====> I think the priests are better off letting this man sing wherever he wants to. It is not as if he wanted to slaughter a cow or a pig at the sanctom sanctorium. So far and no further.
The irony is that at the Siva Vishnu Temple in Maryland a guy named Gowda who is a medical doctor was so furious that the priests from Andhra and Karnataka sing Tamil hymns for Lord Venkateswara. He strongly felt that this is the handiwork of the Mandagam Iyengars. He feels that the prayers should be done in Sanskrit and Tamil should not be any part of it. Once he carried a big sign which said 'stop discrimination' and walked around the temple. In a meeting, he blasted the priests from Andhra for going along with this practice. He yelled at them "Have you forgotten that Sri Prakasam sacrificed his life for you?."
should he follow your lead and start keeping the company of Hellsananda?
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by charvaka Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:43 pm
Why this kolaveri for Hellsangel? What did he do to you now?Rashmun wrote:
should he follow your lead and start keeping the company of Hellsananda?
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Guest Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm
charvaka wrote:Why this kolaveri for Hellsangel? What did he do to you now?Rashmun wrote:
should he follow your lead and start keeping the company of Hellsananda?
He did nothing to me in particular, but whenever he gets annoyed with Luke Warmus he starts using Luke's purported real name which i find unethical.
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by charvaka Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:13 pm
That must be why you use my real name (or was it initials) when you get annoyed with me!Rashmun wrote:which i find unethical.
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Re: An unfortunate Sanskrit vs Tamil dispute
by Guest Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:16 pm
charvaka wrote:That must be why you use my real name (or was it initials) when you get annoyed with me!Rashmun wrote:which i find unethical.
i coined the phrase 'PP Method' much after your repeated phrase of the words 'Rashmun Method' which you coined, disparaged, and then referred to in post after post. i have never used your full name in any of my posts. Unlike your buddy Hellsananda who likes to use the purported full names of people he has disagreements with in online discussions.
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